Posey on the move

[sbm8196]

sounds good...love it

but not too sure about the rush and baby comparison?

lets forget posey for a moment, would you guys trade for rush with baby?

Had to do a little hw on Rush since we don't see many Pacers games in Bangor, Maine   A 6'6" guard is never a bad thing, but what about his defense?  Can he play the 3?

When Perk comes back, we have 5 legit PF-C guys.  I would trade Baby for a need in a heartbeat.

We only have 2 legit NBA PFs -- Garnett and Baby. O'Neal is strictly a C. The other O'Neal is strictly a C. Perk is strictly a C. Harangody has never played in the NBA.

Baby IS a need. He's a key rotation player who plays up in big games.

Jermaine O'Neal is capable of playing the 4.  We can always play small ball as well to fill the 4 if need be.  My point is we have less 2-3 guys than 4-5 guys.  Daniels and Wafer to back up PP?  Seriously?  I see a much bigger need at backup 3 than backup 4.

[ThaPreacher]

If he got waived I'd love him here. With Granger, George, Dunleavy and Jones already on the squad, whats the point?

Indeed.  for the veteran's minimum.

Celtic fans seem to love their Celtics after they leave town more than they do when they are here.
Kinda like old girlfriends....lol

[Snakehead]

sounds good...love it

but not too sure about the rush and baby comparison?

lets forget posey for a moment, would you guys trade for rush with baby?

Had to do a little hw on Rush since we don't see many Pacers games in Bangor, Maine   A 6'6" guard is never a bad thing, but what about his defense?  Can he play the 3?

When Perk comes back, we have 5 legit PF-C guys.  I would trade Baby for a need in a heartbeat.

We only have 2 legit NBA PFs -- Garnett and Baby. O'Neal is strictly a C. The other O'Neal is strictly a C. Perk is strictly a C. Harangody has never played in the NBA.

Baby IS a need. He's a key rotation player who plays up in big games.

I am not for trading BBD, but Jermaine O'Neal can absolutely play PF... he has done it for a number of years. He, like Duncan, is just big enough to play C for a team and will if he is asked to. Why would he not be able to play PF?


And forget Posey.  He is not going to be bought out and he has a terrible contract.  He is a shell of his former self.  I hope he enjoyed his pay day, but his years in Green are past.

When has JO ever played PF? For what team, and against which player? The guy is a true C. That's the position he plays.

He played PF for Indiana, Jeff Foster was really the teams C.  He has always been a PF/C, meaning PF first.  He made All-Star teams and All-NBA teams under the Forward label.


He is just big enough to play C.  His true position is PF.  He absolutely is not a "true C", that's for sure.

[ssspence]

sounds good...love it

but not too sure about the rush and baby comparison?

lets forget posey for a moment, would you guys trade for rush with baby?

Had to do a little hw on Rush since we don't see many Pacers games in Bangor, Maine   A 6'6" guard is never a bad thing, but what about his defense?  Can he play the 3?

When Perk comes back, we have 5 legit PF-C guys.  I would trade Baby for a need in a heartbeat.

We only have 2 legit NBA PFs -- Garnett and Baby. O'Neal is strictly a C. The other O'Neal is strictly a C. Perk is strictly a C. Harangody has never played in the NBA.

Baby IS a need. He's a key rotation player who plays up in big games.

I am not for trading BBD, but Jermaine O'Neal can absolutely play PF... he has done it for a number of years. He, like Duncan, is just big enough to play C for a team and will if he is asked to. Why would he not be able to play PF?


And forget Posey.  He is not going to be bought out and he has a terrible contract.  He is a shell of his former self.  I hope he enjoyed his pay day, but his years in Green are past.

When has JO ever played PF? For what team, and against which player? The guy is a true C. That's the position he plays.

He played PF for Indiana, Jeff Foster was really the teams C.  He has always been a PF/C, meaning PF first.  He made All-Star teams and All-NBA teams under the Forward label.


He is just big enough to play C.  His true position is PF.  He absolutely is not a "true C", that's for sure.

I completely disagree with you. His true position is not PF. I've not a single recollection of him defneding / being defended by a PF.

Regardless, he's certainly not capable of playing PF in the present day NBA for any meaningful amount of time. He's not a good solution for a departed Glen Davis.

[LooseCannon]

Let's be clear:  Posey is better than Daniels, so he would be an upgrade for us.  If Posey gets waived, I'd love to make a run at him for the vet min.

Using some advanced stats:

win shares per 48 minutes (0.100 is approximately average): Posey 0.067, Daniels 0.064
Wins Above Replacement Player (depends partly on playing time, with Posey having a bit less than twice the minutes of Daniels): Posey -2.3, Daniels -1.3
Estimated winning percentage of a team comprised of the player and four average teammates): Posey 0.350, Daniels 0.349
Adjusted plus/minus: Posey 1.69, Daniels 1.80

For the sake of comparison (WS/48, WARP, Win%, Adj+/-):
Big Baby Davis : 0.084, 0,4, 0.441, -5.46
Tony Allen 0.100, 1.7, 0.507, -1.23

Then consider that Posey is more likely to decline, due to age, while Daniels is more likely to improve, due to the possibility he will be healthier than usual.

[Rashi]

sounds good...love it

but not too sure about the rush and baby comparison?

lets forget posey for a moment, would you guys trade for rush with baby?

Had to do a little hw on Rush since we don't see many Pacers games in Bangor, Maine   A 6'6" guard is never a bad thing, but what about his defense?  Can he play the 3?

When Perk comes back, we have 5 legit PF-C guys.  I would trade Baby for a need in a heartbeat.

We only have 2 legit NBA PFs -- Garnett and Baby. O'Neal is strictly a C. The other O'Neal is strictly a C. Perk is strictly a C. Harangody has never played in the NBA.

Baby IS a need. He's a key rotation player who plays up in big games.

I agree. I think people are underestimating the importance of Baby on this team. If we trade Baby, then who will back up KG? Baby has a lot of playoff experience and has come big for us a few times + he does not shy away from the big moments or crack under pressure.


Anyways if Posey gets bought out, then for the vet min I would love him back.

[Boris Badenov]

At this point, getting Posey would represent something of a youth movement.

[housecall]

sounds good...love it

but not too sure about the rush and baby comparison?

lets forget posey for a moment, would you guys trade for rush with baby?

Had to do a little hw on Rush since we don't see many Pacers games in Bangor, Maine  A 6'6" guard is never a bad thing, but what about his defense?  Can he play the 3?

When Perk comes back, we have 5 legit PF-C guys.  I would trade Baby for a need in a heartbeat.

We only have 2 legit NBA PFs -- Garnett and Baby. O'Neal is strictly a C. The other O'Neal is strictly a C. Perk is strictly a C. Harangody has never played in the NBA.

Baby IS a need. He's a key rotation player who plays up in big games.

I agree. I think people are underestimating the importance of Baby on this team. If we trade Baby, then who will back up KG? Baby has a lot of playoff experience and has come big for us a few times + he does not shy away from the big moments or crack under pressure.


Anyways if Posey gets bought out, then for the vet min I would love him back.

Agreed...i wouldn't object if Posey came back for that price...im not comfortable with Quis alone to back up Pierce. Quis'health history tells us that the chances of him playing a complete season is very slim.He hasn't played a 82game season since entering the NBA.TP  

[Rashi]

sounds good...love it

but not too sure about the rush and baby comparison?

lets forget posey for a moment, would you guys trade for rush with baby?

Had to do a little hw on Rush since we don't see many Pacers games in Bangor, Maine   A 6'6" guard is never a bad thing, but what about his defense?  Can he play the 3?

When Perk comes back, we have 5 legit PF-C guys.  I would trade Baby for a need in a heartbeat.

We only have 2 legit NBA PFs -- Garnett and Baby. O'Neal is strictly a C. The other O'Neal is strictly a C. Perk is strictly a C. Harangody has never played in the NBA.

Baby IS a need. He's a key rotation player who plays up in big games.

I agree. I think people are underestimating the importance of Baby on this team. If we trade Baby, then who will back up KG? Baby has a lot of playoff experience and has come big for us a few times + he does not shy away from the big moments or crack under pressure.


Anyways if Posey gets bought out, then for the vet min I would love him back.

I agree i wouldn't object if Posey came back for that price...im not comfortable with Quis alone to back up Pierce. Quis'health history tells us that the chances of him playing a complete season is very slim.He hasn't played a 82game season since entering the NBA.  

Oh yeah I too don't think that Quis will be able to remain healthy though out the season. I mean I would love it if he does stay healthy and proves to be a good backup for Pierce, but we still need insurance especially on how many games he missed last season.

[Jon]

Yeah, I don't think Posey is as cooked as some people want to insist.  I wouldn't rely on him to play 25-30 mpg backing up the 2/3/4 like he did in '08, but I don't see why he can't be PP's backup, playing 10-15 mpg. 

He still has size, he still can shoot (he had a bad year, but it's not like age means he can't shoot), and he still has instincts. 

[Celtics4ever]

He is mentally tough as nails and will get it done somehow.

[guava_wrench]

I don't want Posey under his current contract, but I would love him for a minimum contract.

[Fafnir]

I don't want Posey under his current contract, but I would love him for a minimum contract.

Yeah he's not the player he was, but he'd be great at that price.

[DinTN]

What is the timeline on a Posey buyout - day, week...?

[snively]

Posey's a no-brainer for the vet min if Indy is really willing to buy him out.  He can still shoot the 3 and rebound at the small forward position and that's basically the biggest hole we have on the team.