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Re: 2010 Celticsblog Draft: Draft Board
« Reply #1380 on: August 19, 2010, 01:15:01 PM »

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Carlos Boozer, Tony Parker, Rashard Lewis, Andrea Bargnani, 5(2), 5(27), 6(25), 6(29), 7(2), 9(2), 11(2), 11(27), 12(29), 13(2)

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When did Rashard Lewis go? I still had him on my board.

Do you want him? I'll trade him for Dwight Howard.  ;)

Not dying for him, but I was wondering why he was still on the board.

Re: 2010 Celticsblog Draft: Draft Board
« Reply #1381 on: August 19, 2010, 01:17:09 PM »

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Rockets have received one legitimate offer for Rose.

We're also looking to move up from 5/17 to a pick in the mid/late 4th.

I'm in chat, fielding your offers.
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Re: 2010 Celticsblog Draft: Draft Board
« Reply #1382 on: August 19, 2010, 01:17:45 PM »

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Tim Duncan, Trevor Ariza, Stephen Jackson, Andre Miller, 5/25, 6/6, 7/25, 8/6, etc..

PM with offers. Looking to move up to the late 4th, early 5th.
You could use a 4 that can really play defense and that become a very good/great defense starting unit.

You think so? I was thinking more of a shooting type of 4, I feel like I need another shooter rather than someone that would clog the lanes with Duncan.
Agreed -- but I wouldn't be concerned about Tim Duncan. It's about Andre Miller.

If you want to use his post game you'll need a big who can shoot the ball. Take away Miller's post up game and he won't be able to contribute much in the halfcourt offense.

Also, Stephen Jackson ... Jackson is is one of the best post up shooting guards in the league. Your guards ability to create mismatches with their post up game is an important advantage. Both are wonderful passers out of the post, as is Duncan, as well as quality scorers. A nice inside-outside offense.

In order to give your guards space on the low block (with Duncan in the lineup) you'll need a power forward who can at least nail a 15-18 foot jump shot. Preferably 20-25 feet.
Isn't that team going to win with defense rather than offense?

Jackson can shoot the 3, so can Ariza. Miller has a deadly mid range jumper.

As a basketball fan I might be a purest which influences my decision. I prefer my big men to stay in the post and rebound, while I don't like my guards in the paint.
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Re: 2010 Celticsblog Draft: Draft Board
« Reply #1383 on: August 19, 2010, 01:21:21 PM »

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Trevor Ariza shot .321 from 3 for his career.

Re: 2010 Celticsblog Draft: Draft Board
« Reply #1384 on: August 19, 2010, 01:24:39 PM »

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Trevor Ariza shot .321 from 3 for his career.
I consider that decent, and there's always a chance he gets better considering he is only 25.
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Re: 2010 Celticsblog Draft: Draft Board
« Reply #1385 on: August 19, 2010, 01:29:06 PM »

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Tim Duncan, Trevor Ariza, Stephen Jackson, Andre Miller, 5/25, 6/6, 7/25, 8/6, etc..

PM with offers. Looking to move up to the late 4th, early 5th.
You could use a 4 that can really play defense and that become a very good/great defense starting unit.

You think so? I was thinking more of a shooting type of 4, I feel like I need another shooter rather than someone that would clog the lanes with Duncan.
Agreed -- but I wouldn't be concerned about Tim Duncan. It's about Andre Miller.

If you want to use his post game you'll need a big who can shoot the ball. Take away Miller's post up game and he won't be able to contribute much in the halfcourt offense.

Also, Stephen Jackson ... Jackson is is one of the best post up shooting guards in the league. Your guards ability to create mismatches with their post up game is an important advantage. Both are wonderful passers out of the post, as is Duncan, as well as quality scorers. A nice inside-outside offense.

In order to give your guards space on the low block (with Duncan in the lineup) you'll need a power forward who can at least nail a 15-18 foot jump shot. Preferably 20-25 feet.
Isn't that team going to win with defense rather than offense?

Jackson can shoot the 3, so can Ariza. Miller has a deadly mid range jumper.

As a basketball fan I might be a purest which influences my decision. I prefer my big men to stay in the post and rebound, while I don't like my guards in the paint.
Well, it depends a lot on the player involved.

A guy like Udonis Haslem who can hit that 15-18 foot jumper would be enough to make that lineup offensively. But a more limited player, someone like Anderson Varejao, and that lineup would struggle considerably on the offensive end of the floor during the playoffs when facing other high quality defensive teams.

Then a guy like Troy Murphy, he would open up the game tremendously for their guards post up game which is important because their post up play is their by far their strongest way to get penetration in the halfcourt offense. Also, a guy like Player X would look solid defensively alongside big perimeter players and a defensive anchor like Tim Duncan because of mobility/quickness and ability to cover pick and roll and switches (switch 2 through 4 and against some PGs which makes help defense a lot easier). You'd still have a very strong defensive team with Player X + a far more effective offensive team.

By penetration, in the above context, I mean getting the opposition to play help defense. Force them off balance and create openings.

In summary, I would only consider a guy who can hit at 15+ foot jumper for that lineup because of Andre Miller. Then it just becomes a question of how much better a guy's defense is versus his range in deciding whether to go with a Haslem type of a Murphy type.

On a final note -- I think you can have both (high quality defense + shooting ability at PF). I have a name in my mind for this role.
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Re: 2010 Celticsblog Draft: Draft Board
« Reply #1386 on: August 19, 2010, 01:31:09 PM »

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Tim Duncan, Trevor Ariza, Stephen Jackson, Andre Miller, 5/25, 6/6, 7/25, 8/6, etc..

PM with offers. Looking to move up to the late 4th, early 5th.
You could use a 4 that can really play defense and that become a very good/great defense starting unit.

You think so? I was thinking more of a shooting type of 4, I feel like I need another shooter rather than someone that would clog the lanes with Duncan.
Agreed -- but I wouldn't be concerned about Tim Duncan. It's about Andre Miller.

If you want to use his post game you'll need a big who can shoot the ball. Take away Miller's post up game and he won't be able to contribute much in the halfcourt offense.

Also, Stephen Jackson ... Jackson is is one of the best post up shooting guards in the league. Your guards ability to create mismatches with their post up game is an important advantage. Both are wonderful passers out of the post, as is Duncan, as well as quality scorers. A nice inside-outside offense.

In order to give your guards space on the low block (with Duncan in the lineup) you'll need a power forward who can at least nail a 15-18 foot jump shot. Preferably 20-25 feet.
Isn't that team going to win with defense rather than offense?

Jackson can shoot the 3, so can Ariza. Miller has a deadly mid range jumper.

As a basketball fan I might be a purest which influences my decision. I prefer my big men to stay in the post and rebound, while I don't like my guards in the paint.
Well, it depends a lot on the player involved.

A guy like Udonis Haslem who can hit that 15-18 foot jumper would be enough to make that lineup offensively. But a more limited player, someone like Amir Johnson, and that lineup would struggle considerably on the offensive end of the floor during the playoffs when facing other high quality defensive teams.

Then a guy like Channing Frye, he would open up the game tremendously for their guards post up game which is important because their post up play is their by far their strongest way to get penetration in the halfcourt offense. Also, a guy like Frye would look solid defensively alongside big perimeter players and a defensive anchor like Tim Duncan because of mobility/quickness and ability to cover pick and roll and switches (switch 2 through 4 and against some PGs which makes help defense a lot easier). You'd still have a very strong defensive team with Frye + a far more effective offensive team.

By penetration, in the above context, I mean getting the opposition to play help defense. Force them off balance and create openings.

In summary, I would only consider a guy who can hit at 15+ foot jumper for that lineup because of Andre Miller. Then it just becomes a question of how much better a guy's defense is versus his range in deciding whether to go with a Haslem type of a Frye type.

On a final note -- I think you can have both (high quality defense + shooting ability at PF). Boris Diaw would be a guy I'd be strongly looking at.
That's fair. I agree that if he can find someone who combines a decent mid range jumper with good defense would be best. There are a few 4's left who are long range bombers who play no defense. I would advise going against that idea.
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Re: 2010 Celticsblog Draft: Draft Board
« Reply #1387 on: August 19, 2010, 01:31:18 PM »

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as a rule we don't name players not yet taken, might want to edit your post before it get mod'ed by a Mod.

And before folks keep quoting it -- since the analysis is solid.
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Re: 2010 Celticsblog Draft: Draft Board
« Reply #1388 on: August 19, 2010, 01:33:10 PM »

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Trevor Ariza shot .321 from 3 for his career.
I consider that decent, and there's always a chance he gets better considering he is only 25.
I think Trevor Ariza could hit 37+ percent from downtown but only on a team with strong enough playmaking. That likely means someone like LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Kobe Bryant, Joe Johnson or a Brandon Roy. Turkoglu possibly too.

A.Miller's + S.Jackson's playmaking ability is effected hugely by how often they are able to play in the post. In order to get Ariza hitting at a good clip (35%+) they'll need a lot of time and space in the paint.

Re: 2010 Celticsblog Draft: Draft Board
« Reply #1389 on: August 19, 2010, 01:35:47 PM »

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Who ---

as a rule we don't name players not yet taken, might want to edit your post before it get mod'ed by a Mod.

And before folks keep quoting it -- since the analysis is solid.
Oh sorry, I've edited out the names of players who haven't been selected yet and replaced them with some examples of players who have already been taken.

Garbage big man -- Varejao
15-18 foot J -- Haslem
Three point range -- T.Murphy (although he doesn't fit the defensive part of the equation so Player X takes his place there)

Re: 2010 Celticsblog Draft: Draft Board
« Reply #1390 on: August 19, 2010, 01:38:42 PM »

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In the interest of speeding things up, I may need a proxy. I don't know if it'll be neccessary, but i might be away from my desk between 215 and 245.

Re: 2010 Celticsblog Draft: Draft Board
« Reply #1391 on: August 19, 2010, 01:39:45 PM »

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In the interest of speeding things up, I may need a proxy. I don't know if it'll be neccessary, but i might be away from my desk between 215 and 245.

Trade me the pick, you won't need a proxy.
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Re: 2010 Celticsblog Draft: Draft Board
« Reply #1392 on: August 19, 2010, 01:40:04 PM »

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Re: 2010 Celticsblog Draft: Draft Board
« Reply #1393 on: August 19, 2010, 01:41:41 PM »

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Does anybody have a breakdown of who was taken Since Jeff Green?
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Re: 2010 Celticsblog Draft: Draft Board
« Reply #1394 on: August 19, 2010, 01:41:49 PM »

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Willing to trade the 4.18 (act now if your binkie is still on the board). Would like a lower 4th or higher 5th as a starting point.