Miami Fans reaction to Shaq signing - Feel this means they'll get Perk next year

[BballTim]

When Shaq was off the court, Varejao was on. That puts the ball exclusively in Lebron's hands. Lebron is better at offense than Shaq... mystery solved.

It's never been a mystery, really. It simply boils down to whether one thinks that Rondo, Pierce, Allen or Garnett are better offense then Shaq.

There have been times when the Celtics have looked lost on offense, going on jump shooting scoring droughts. It'll be nice to throw the ball into the post a little more during those droughts.

(this wasn't as bad in the playoffs when KG and RW got their butts in the paint a little more - but it was still an issue)

  I think he'd have the most value late in the shot clock, when we tend to stagnate and struggle.

[Jon]

Given that Perk is young and already has a ring, he isn't going to Miami for the MLE.  He's going to whoever gives him the most dough. 

And if his injury holds him back and he is forced to a MLE deal, he'd be better served playing on a bad team where he could put up bigger numbers to raise his value for 2012. 

[Michael Anthony]

When Shaq was off the court, Varejao was on. That puts the ball exclusively in Lebron's hands. Lebron is better at offense than Shaq... mystery solved.

It's never been a mystery, really. It simply boils down to whether one thinks that Rondo, Pierce, Allen or Garnett are better offense then Shaq.

Ignoring my point about defense?

[Chris]

Perkins is not worth more than the full MLE. The fact is that he has barely improved, if at all, since he signed his last contract. If Miami signs him, I can't say I'll be disappointed. Perkins is not rebuilding material.

  Of course he's improved since he signed his contract. That's nonsense. Put him on the Heat and their biggest weakness goes away. They'd be much less vulnerable than they are (or might be) now.

I agree completely.  While I am not sure he is the best fit as a building block for the C's going forward (beyond the next 1-2 years), because his next contract will likely be too big to fit in their plans (may not be the case after the injury though), I think Perk would be absolutely perfect in Miami.  He would fit in great, and they would be able to hide his weaknesses and accentuate his strengths, the same way the C's have been able to do the last few years.

With that said, I don't see much of a chance of him going there.  He is going to get more than the MLE next year, whether it is in Boston or somewhere else.  Miami just won't be able to afford him, and I don't think the lure of playing for Miami will draw him away from Boston for similar, or less money.  

[wdleehi]

When Shaq was off the court, Varejao was on. That puts the ball exclusively in Lebron's hands. Lebron is better at offense than Shaq... mystery solved.

It's never been a mystery, really. It simply boils down to whether one thinks that Rondo, Pierce, Allen or Garnett are better offense then Shaq.

There have been times when the Celtics have looked lost on offense, going on jump shooting scoring droughts. It'll be nice to throw the ball into the post a little more during those droughts.

(this wasn't as bad in the playoffs when KG and RW got their butts in the paint a little more - but it was still an issue)

  I think he'd have the most value late in the shot clock, when we tend to stagnate and struggle.

This is terrible.


The backup C signed for the vet min isn't one of the top 4 offensive threats on a team that went to game 7 in the finals!!!!  


What were the Celtics thinking?


No, Shaq is an offensive boost off the bench.  A big target to drop the ball into when the jump shots are not falling.  A big offensive rebounder.  

[kozlodoev]

When Shaq was off the court, Varejao was on. That puts the ball exclusively in Lebron's hands. Lebron is better at offense than Shaq... mystery solved.

It's never been a mystery, really. It simply boils down to whether one thinks that Rondo, Pierce, Allen or Garnett are better offense then Shaq.

There have been times when the Celtics have looked lost on offense, going on jump shooting scoring droughts. It'll be nice to throw the ball into the post a little more during those droughts.

(this wasn't as bad in the playoffs when KG and RW got their butts in the paint a little more - but it was still an issue)

Undoubtedly true, and not really a problem if it is a "sometimes" situation. It's a problem when you try to establish Shaq early and often, and do so for 20+ minutes a night like the Cavs did last season.

[kozlodoev]

When Shaq was off the court, Varejao was on. That puts the ball exclusively in Lebron's hands. Lebron is better at offense than Shaq... mystery solved.

It's never been a mystery, really. It simply boils down to whether one thinks that Rondo, Pierce, Allen or Garnett are better offense then Shaq.

Ignoring my point about defense?

No, but this has already been addressed. Shaq is a decent 1 on 1 defender simply because he's 7+ feet and 350+ lbs. You just can't move him.

The problem with Shaq's defense come when his man is involved in a pick-and-roll situation, and when help defense is needed against players driving to the basket.

Shaq simply doesn't have the foot speed, at this stage of his career, to defend these situations in a manner consistent with the Celtics team defense. I am skeptical about his ability to blitz, close on jump shooters, and provide quick help from the weak side.

I don't know how Cleveland played defense, but we've all seen Celtics defensive schemes, and they have to change when Shaq is on the floor. Mind you, this means changing a defensive scheme that's been top of the league for 3 consecutive seasons. The whole discussion started from my initial point that Shaq doesn't bring enough in other phases of the game for this to be warranted for more than 15ish minutes per game.

[BballTim]

Perkins is not worth more than the full MLE. The fact is that he has barely improved, if at all, since he signed his last contract. If Miami signs him, I can't say I'll be disappointed. Perkins is not rebuilding material.

  Of course he's improved since he signed his contract. That's nonsense. Put him on the Heat and their biggest weakness goes away. They'd be much less vulnerable than they are (or might be) now.

I agree completely.  While I am not sure he is the best fit as a building block for the C's going forward (beyond the next 1-2 years), because his next contract will likely be too big to fit in their plans (may not be the case after the injury though)
 

  Perk isn't a building block but he's a useful piece, if you  know what I mean. When we're rebuilding around Rondo and we still have PP for 2 years we'll need to replace Ray and KG. That's *much* easier than trying to replace Ray, KG and Perk.

[Chris]

Perkins is not worth more than the full MLE. The fact is that he has barely improved, if at all, since he signed his last contract. If Miami signs him, I can't say I'll be disappointed. Perkins is not rebuilding material.

  Of course he's improved since he signed his contract. That's nonsense. Put him on the Heat and their biggest weakness goes away. They'd be much less vulnerable than they are (or might be) now.

I agree completely.  While I am not sure he is the best fit as a building block for the C's going forward (beyond the next 1-2 years), because his next contract will likely be too big to fit in their plans (may not be the case after the injury though)
 

  Perk isn't a building block but he's a useful piece, if you  know what I mean. When we're rebuilding around Rondo and we still have PP for 2 years we'll need to replace Ray and KG. That's *much* easier than trying to replace Ray, KG and Perk.

Agreed.  My point was that its all about the price.  If its at $5-6 million per year, great.  If it is 8-10 million per year, then suddenly he needs to be more than just a "useful piece".  But, hopefully the injury will keep him in the C's range to hold on to him. 

[the_Bird]

Perkins is not worth more than the full MLE. The fact is that he has barely improved, if at all, since he signed his last contract. If Miami signs him, I can't say I'll be disappointed. Perkins is not rebuilding material.

  Of course he's improved since he signed his contract. That's nonsense. Put him on the Heat and their biggest weakness goes away. They'd be much less vulnerable than they are (or might be) now.

I agree completely.  While I am not sure he is the best fit as a building block for the C's going forward (beyond the next 1-2 years), because his next contract will likely be too big to fit in their plans (may not be the case after the injury though)
 

  Perk isn't a building block but he's a useful piece, if you  know what I mean. When we're rebuilding around Rondo and we still have PP for 2 years we'll need to replace Ray and KG. That's *much* easier than trying to replace Ray, KG and Perk.

Agreed.  My point was that its all about the price.  If its at $5-6 million per year, great.  If it is 8-10 million per year, then suddenly he needs to be more than just a "useful piece".  But, hopefully the injury will keep him in the C's range to hold on to him.  

Which asks another question.

Do you open negotiations with Perk this summer for an extension?  Perk may be more amenable to taking a reasonably contract extension now (something like 3/$20M).  While he's rehabbing, the value of long-term security may be more valuable to Perk than a couple extra million per year.

If he comes back and plays well, I don't see how he signs for anything less than $8M or $9M annually.  I wouldn't be shocked to see him get something like 5/$50M.  He may not be WORTH that much, but if there's one thing you can guarantee is that NBA GMs will overpay for big men.

I don't think Danny wants to even go there - he wants as much 2012 flexibility as he can get - but do you take a chance on re-signing Perk when his value might be depressed?  

Or, are they planning on watching him walk?

[kozlodoev]

Agreed.  My point was that its all about the price.  If its at $5-6 million per year, great.  If it is 8-10 million per year, then suddenly he needs to be more than just a "useful piece".  But, hopefully the injury will keep him in the C's range to hold on to him. 

Well, at 5-6 he'll be a steal, at 8-10, a bit of a reach, but 6-8 will probably be a good deal, even towards the upper end of that range.

[hpantazo]

Perkins is not worth more than the full MLE. The fact is that he has barely improved, if at all, since he signed his last contract. If Miami signs him, I can't say I'll be disappointed. Perkins is not rebuilding material.

  Of course he's improved since he signed his contract. That's nonsense. Put him on the Heat and their biggest weakness goes away. They'd be much less vulnerable than they are (or might be) now.

I agree completely.  While I am not sure he is the best fit as a building block for the C's going forward (beyond the next 1-2 years), because his next contract will likely be too big to fit in their plans (may not be the case after the injury though)
 

  Perk isn't a building block but he's a useful piece, if you  know what I mean. When we're rebuilding around Rondo and we still have PP for 2 years we'll need to replace Ray and KG. That's *much* easier than trying to replace Ray, KG and Perk.

Agreed.  My point was that its all about the price.  If its at $5-6 million per year, great.  If it is 8-10 million per year, then suddenly he needs to be more than just a "useful piece".  But, hopefully the injury will keep him in the C's range to hold on to him.  

Which asks another question.

Do you open negotiations with Perk this summer for an extension?  Perk may be more amenable to taking a reasonably contract extension now (something like 3/$20M).  While he's rehabbing, the value of long-term security may be more valuable to Perk than a couple extra million per year.

If he comes back and plays well, I don't see how he signs for anything less than $8M or $9M annually.  I wouldn't be shocked to see him get something like 5/$50M.  He may not be WORTH that much, but if there's one thing you can guarantee is that NBA GMs will overpay for big men.

I don't think Danny wants to even go there - he wants as much 2012 flexibility as he can get - but do you take a chance on re-signing Perk when his value might be depressed?  

Or, are they planning on watching him walk?

I thnk you have to try to negotiate an extension for him now that he's injured and may not get to play much before his contract expires. This not only gives you a good chance to lock him up for a good price, but it gives Perkins some confidence that he can do what's best for the team if and when he gets back on the court this year rather than feeling pressure of trying to show to the league that he's not only recovered, but worth a big contract. This is important because when he does come back, chances are that he will be well less than 100% and he will have to defer to Shaq and Jermaine. Knowing he has a deal for the next few years will makes this much easier for him and thus for the team's chemistry.

[DinTN]

Perkins is not worth more than the full MLE. The fact is that he has barely improved, if at all, since he signed his last contract. If Miami signs him, I can't say I'll be disappointed. Perkins is not rebuilding material.

  Of course he's improved since he signed his contract. That's nonsense. Put him on the Heat and their biggest weakness goes away. They'd be much less vulnerable than they are (or might be) now.

I agree completely.  While I am not sure he is the best fit as a building block for the C's going forward (beyond the next 1-2 years), because his next contract will likely be too big to fit in their plans (may not be the case after the injury though)
 

  Perk isn't a building block but he's a useful piece, if you  know what I mean. When we're rebuilding around Rondo and we still have PP for 2 years we'll need to replace Ray and KG. That's *much* easier than trying to replace Ray, KG and Perk.

Agreed.  My point was that its all about the price.  If its at $5-6 million per year, great.  If it is 8-10 million per year, then suddenly he needs to be more than just a "useful piece".  But, hopefully the injury will keep him in the C's range to hold on to him.  

Which asks another question.

Do you open negotiations with Perk this summer for an extension?  Perk may be more amenable to taking a reasonably contract extension now (something like 3/$20M).  While he's rehabbing, the value of long-term security may be more valuable to Perk than a couple extra million per year.

If he comes back and plays well, I don't see how he signs for anything less than $8M or $9M annually.  I wouldn't be shocked to see him get something like 5/$50M.  He may not be WORTH that much, but if there's one thing you can guarantee is that NBA GMs will overpay for big men.

I don't think Danny wants to even go there - he wants as much 2012 flexibility as he can get - but do you take a chance on re-signing Perk when his value might be depressed?  

Or, are they planning on watching him walk?

How many years do we have to offer? Seems like Danny wants to keep his options open in 2 years with most players not having a contract past that time.

[the_Bird]

That's the thing.  If you extend Perk, it's going to have to be for at least three or four years.  Is it more important to have that flexibility, or to have a good, still-young big man still under contract?

The only real long-term commitments we have are Rondo and Pierce; should Perk be on that list, even if it means we can do less in free agency and in trades?

[More Banners]

Hmm...Will Shaq actually be here for two years?  Jermaine will for sure, as will KG.  

That leaves, in a 4-big rotation, room for only one guy to get any significant minutes, and we have both Perk and BBD with one year left on their deals.  Might we only have room for one?  

I think the other option would be to have 5 bigs in a 4 big rotation, with one taking a night off each time out.  That only is possible if we are able to continue to have several of them at a discount.  BBD might get offers up to the MLE next time around if he has another solid season (bigs get overpaid) and continues to show himself as a clutch gamer in spite of his limited skills.  But will we continue to be able to get both BBD and Perk at a value price?

And if Sheed decides to play after all, he could stick around for 2 more years as well if he takes his option.  Would we have a 6-big rotation?

No matter what Sheed does, one of our bigs may look to get out from "the shadow of the big 3" bigs (KG, JO, Shaq) next season, too...

So, assuming if would cost MLE-level money for either one, who would we be better of signing/extending, Perk (with his post defense) or BBD (with his energy and shooting)?  I mean, if you had to choose one?