Celtics want Kwame Brown?

[Celtics4ever]

Sheed wasn't in shape all season last year.   This was clearly the case he thought he would play his way into shape.  That didn't really happen until the playoffs.  I don't think he is disciplined enough to be a final run piece guy.

[Roy Hobbs]

I would much prefer Brown at the minimum rather than Shaq with Sheed's contract.  I really don't think Shaq is a good fit for this team.

Agreed.  Brown will play the defense and rebound.  That's what the Celtics need from the 4 big man.  (5th when Perk returns)

On the other hand, Shaq will score in the post, rebound, and play post defense, which we also need.  There was too often last season when our offense stagnated because our jumpers weren't falling; Shaq can create offense for himself, and can get opposing bigs in foul trouble, which creates driving opportunities for Pierce and Rondo.

Rebounding and post defense are legit strengths of Kwame Brown. His problem is that he can try to do too much, get lost in the team sets and has brick hands.

Yeah, I didn't mean to imply that Kwame was a bad rebounder or defender.  However, Shaq is a pretty good rebounder himself, and he's a good post defender, too. 

Shaq actually had more rebounds per minute than Kwame, and a higher rebound percentage.  Plus, of course, Shaq is vastly superior on offense.  (Kwame is a legitimately terrible offensive player, especially regarding his turnovers.)

[Mr October]

I would much prefer Brown at the minimum rather than Shaq with Sheed's contract.  I really don't think Shaq is a good fit for this team.

Agreed.  Brown will play the defense and rebound.  That's what the Celtics need from the 4 big man.  (5th when Perk returns)

On the other hand, Shaq will score in the post, rebound, and play post defense, which we also need.  There was too often last season when our offense stagnated because our jumpers weren't falling; Shaq can create offense for himself, and can get opposing bigs in foul trouble, which creates driving opportunities for Pierce and Rondo.

Rebounding and post defense are legit strengths of Kwame Brown. His problem is that he can try to do too much, get lost in the team sets and has brick hands.

Yeah, I didn't mean to imply that Kwame was a bad rebounder or defender.  However, Shaq is a pretty good rebounder himself, and he's a good post defender, too. 

Shaq actually had more rebounds per minute than Kwame, and a higher rebound percentage.  Plus, of course, Shaq is vastly superior on offense.  (Kwame is a legitimately terrible offensive player, especially regarding his turnovers.)

Cool. Thanks for clarifying. If Shaq agrees to an MLE or lower price and is willing to take the proper role, I'm fully on board with getting him.

[LilRip]

i don't understand all this fascination for Kwame Brown. Have you seen the guy play? I didn't watch any Detroit games last year but he was absolutely terrible when he was a Laker. and plus, he couldn't catch the ball! he probably will get a roster spot on some team but i would only sign him as a last resort. he would be a solid 3rd string C on a contending team.

but imagine if Sheed didn't exist and Shelden Williams was our first center off the bench. I say this because i don't know if Perk can return to 100% even by the playoffs. That's similar to having Kwame Brown as our backup C. heck, S-Williams already has a team! and Kwame doesn't.



- LilRip

[Jon]

i don't understand all this fascination for Kwame Brown. Have you seen the guy play? I didn't watch any Detroit games last year but he was absolutely terrible when he was a Laker. and plus, he couldn't catch the ball! he probably will get a roster spot on some team but i would only sign him as a last resort. he would be a solid 3rd string C on a contending team.

but imagine if Sheed didn't exist and Shelden Williams was our first center off the bench. I say this because i don't know if Perk can return to 100% even by the playoffs. That's similar to having Kwame Brown as our backup C. heck, S-Williams already has a team! and Kwame doesn't.



- LilRip

Well, he is an NBA caliber player.  He is a so-so defender and rebounder.  What it really comes down to is that we need someone to play center behind O'Neal until Perk comes back. 

There aren't a lot of options out there. 

[Finkelskyhook]

If Perk comes back, do you think Shaq will happily become the 3rd center (because I think JO is a better player right now)?  I don't think he would.  

If Perk comes back, I think we need to legitimately ask whether he deserves his starting position back by default.  If 100% recovered, with no rust, Perk is probably the better option for the team, but what if he's rusty?  Can he get fully back into shape in a couple months (max) of playing time?

Best case scenario, if Shaq and J.O. both play to their potential, I think you split time equally between Shaq and Perk at center (with Perk starting), and with KG and J.O. as your power forwards.  This would irritate BBD, but at this point, that four man big rotation would be as big and as deep as any in the league.

I guess I just don't think Shaq is that good any more. 

He doesn't have to be.  The ghost of Shaq was pretty formidable last year.  He'd still have plenty of game if he actually got into basketball shape going into the preseason.  It's a matter, like all superstars, if they are willing to accept that they can't play 30+ minutes anymore.

[More Banners]

He'd still have plenty of game if he actually got into basketball shape going into the preseason.  It's a matter, like all superstars, if they are willing to accept that they can't play 30+ minutes anymore.

That's the tough thing about getting older:  working twice as hard to get/stay in shape to play half as much.

Given the remarkable career Shaq's had so far, it's almost a shame that he doesn't just retire.  I seriously wonder whether the prospect of losing half his assets in his (still pending?) divorce, and then more after that in a likely child support situation, is a factor in his decision to keep playing.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Brown is a very big center, body..! Younger than shaq, and he has game...but he prob has a worse attitude than shaq..maybe ray, pp and kg can reach into that head and pull his game out.....if so....we would have a lot there..! I have seen him do great things, offense and defense..but not a great amount of them, and not sustained effort either..... They are all head cases...i think they should hhave to do 2 years in the military b4 the nba...LOL, everyuone else too....! the theory is Lose all your money; appreciate it the next time...Lose all your freedom...app the next time....it works sometimes..!

[Silent Storm]

Brown has small hands and gets into foul trouble on a regular basis. Between the 2 O'Neals we would have a decent rotation at the 5 spot for our lineup. We found a way to fit Perk into our schemes so I don't see why it wouldn't be possible to do so with the O'Neals. Our team chemistry and character are both solid, especially with Doc coming back.

[floppyriver]

 
Kwame Brown...stay out of town....my biggest nightmare.....
bringing in Kwame and bringing back Antoine.....yech!!!!

[Rondo9dunx]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5-A8Ao47nU&feature=related

some kwame fun via steven a smith

[Yoki_IsTheName]

If the Shaq to Boston thing really would not work out, I'd rather have Earl Barron than Kwame Brown to go to the Celtics. I know there's too much Earl Barron talk but he had proven himself last year, given playing time he could decently rebound, he's mobile, and can score especially shoot mid range and free throws. Give him a few pick and pops with Rondo and he can probably shoot some mid range bombs.

He showed it when he played the Celtics last year, grabbed 18 rebounds against KG, Perk and Sheed. Heck I'd give him half of Sheed's contract if possible for a one year rent.

Again, this is if Shaq will not wear Celtic green. All I'm saying is I'm preferring Barron over Kwame who we know had all the time in the world to prove himself but hasn't really lived up to his hype.

Offer him a vet. minimum and maybe a 200k signing bonus if he gains 15 or so more pounds (so he'd have the body to bang inside) without losing his form and there is the back up big man.

Once again, this is if Shaq does not go to the Celtics.

Found this highlight of his on the yTube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFholGdH-2k

would you prefer Kwame over this man? He showed here that he can have a decent outing given playing time. And he has been consistent in his 7 games in New York averaging 11 points and 11 rebounds in 30 minutes of play. Give him 20 minutes and he'll probably go 8 and 8. Not bad for a back up center.

He'll learn the Celtics's defensive mentality and will be a good defender once he steps on that locker room, as everybody else did, don't worry (for the people who will say he does not have the defense).

Danny should offer him something now for insurance before the Knicks gets him back.
my two cents.

[hwangjini_1]

Kwame Brown would instantly become the Celtics best rebounder + second best interior defender.

It's a pity Jermaine needs to start because K.Brown would be better off in the starting lineup. His poor offensive game would be hidden better alongside the starters than the bench.

i hope you are not correct since it means a number of celtics must be in wheels chairs, retired, or dead. kwame is a poor nba player.

for the past two seasons, brown's averages are:
53 games/season
15 minutes a game
3.8 points a game
4.4 rebounds a game
0.35 blocks a game, or, a two season total of 36 blocks.

his last season was below this average, a downward tread.

last season for the celtics,
rebounds - perk, KG, pierce, and rondo all averaged 4.4 or better.
points - TWELVE celtics had higher scoring averages, shelden williams barely missed with a 3.7 avg.
blocks - 3 celtics had more blocks last season than kwame had in his last two seasons. EIGHT celtics had more blocks than kwame last season.

i just dont see kwame being a real factor on the celtics. he was the #1 over all pick in draft in 2001 and he has yet to show much.

he is considered to be one of the biggest busts in nba history,  not for his talent (he seems to have that) but for being overall not very smart or hard working.

if the celtics sign this guy i will root for him to be good. but i am not getting my hopes up.

[ManUp]

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How does Shaq not fit with this team when Perk does? Washed up Shaq is still faster than Perk up and down the court. He's a better finisher equal post defender if not better. The only thing that Shaq doesnt' do better than Perk at this point is move laterally (covering pick and rolls/help defense). His attitude might not fit with his team, but I can't see how his game doesn't.

2010 Shaq is faster than Perk?  Maybe in the playoffs after not playing for half the year, and maybe in a race to the buffet line, but he's got Acie Earl acceleration during the regular season. 

Say what you want about Shaq's weight size or whatever, but I guarantee you he's faster than Perk. All I'm trying to say is Perk and Shaq are basically the same type of players. Slow, half-court, bruising centers if Perk's speed and inability to create spacing doesn't hurt the team why should Shaq? Not to mention Shaq is a much more capable offensive player and finisher.

Shaq might be quicker than Perk running up and down the floor (straight line runner) but I think Perk is quicker laterally and is better at changing directions.
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Definitely, I even stated so in my original post.  That makes Perk the better overall defender, but   that and conditioning are thee only things Perk has on Shaq.

[snively]

If the Big 3 were younger and our situation on the wings better, I could understand the preference for Kwame.  He could play a very similar role to Perk, with better defensive quickness in space but even less offensive ability.

But the Big 3 are older, and we can't be as comfortable surrounding them with solid but extremely limited roleplayers like Kwame.  To give us the best chance at a title we need more impact.  Shaq gives us that.

In the playoffs, coming off the bench to take a lot of shots, grab a lot of boards and draw & give a lot of hard fouls Shaq could be a major difference maker.

I also think Boston is a better fit for him than Cleveland was.  Antawn Jamison was too mediocre and undersized defensively to cover for Shaq and Varejao was too limited offensively to play with him.

KG and JO are much better fits with Shaq.  Both rotate well to cut of penetration from pick and rolls and both are comfortable on the perimeter offensively.

Sheed/Baby for Shaq/Moon would make a ton of sense for us.