Celtics want Kwame Brown?

[nickagneta]

I think people assume Shaq isn't that good, because he's declined so much from what he was.

I don't think people need to assume anything. We all saw Shaq play with the Cavs last season, and he didn't look good.

As a matter of fact, they went 16-4 without him before going into offseason rest-the-starters mode and sitting LeBron. I don't know why people think he is still an asset offensively. The Cavs scored 6 more points per 100 possessions with him off the floor.

Eastern Conference semi-finals.

Shaq - 23.3 minutes a game, 13.5 points, 5 boards, 1 block
Perk - 26.2 minutes a game, 6.7 points, 7 boards, 2.3 blocks

If Shaq is "not good", I guess Perk and a long list of other NBA centers fit that description as well.

Mike

Let's also take into effect that while in the game Shaq was his team's 2nd offensive option and that when Perk was in the game he was his team's 5th offensive option if you could even consider him an offensive option.

Shed's a different light on those stats now, doesn't it?

[Rondo_is_better]

God...Kwame?? I don't want Shaq for more than the vet min, but if it comes down to choosing between Kwame and Shaq...

[Who]

Kwame Brown would instantly become the Celtics best rebounder + second best interior defender.

It's a pity Jermaine needs to start because K.Brown would be better off in the starting lineup. His poor offensive game would be hidden better alongside the starters than the bench.

[Jevi]

Kwame Brown, Brian Scalabrine and DJ Mbenga Demanding to Sit on Bench Together
July 30, 2010 Mason Lerner

The Oxygen Network announced today that it will be dedicating an hour of air time this Sunday to Kwame Brown’s free agency decision. Although Brown has not yet announced his intentions, rumors have been circulating for weeks that he has been meeting regularly with fellow free agents DJ Mbenga and Brian Scalabrine at an Arby’s in Stamford, Conn. Despite the speculation that the three free agents are colluding to create an NBA super bench, Brown insists that they all just share a passion for cheap roast beef.

“I’m just trying to do what’s right,” Brown said as he exited Arby’s with two Roast Beef Patty Melt Jr. combos, a Roast Beef Gyro in a to-go bag.

So far, the three free agents — already nicknamed  “The Thee Benchitos”  haven’t hinted where they will land, but an unnamed source reported that at one of the Arby’s meetings Scalabrine revealed that he wanted to keep sitting on the Celtics’ bench. “They have really comfortable seats,” Scalabrine reportedly said. I think Kwame and DJ would really enjoy parking their asses next to me in those comfy seats for 82 games.”

An anonymous NBA scout said that the outcome of the press conference on Sunday could change the balance of power in the NBA permanently.

“Life is over as we know it. Do you think guys like Mike Gminski and Chris Dudley would have teamed up to form a “Super Bench?” he asked. “Of course not. They wanted to sit back and relax by themselves as  their teammates went up against the very best.

(This is a satirical post, as in, not true.)
http://thefastertimes.com/sport/2010/07/30/kwame-brown-brian-scalabrine-and-dj-mbenga-demanding-to-sit-on-bench-together/

[kozlodoev]

Shaq - 23.3 minutes a game, 13.5 points, 5 boards, 1 block
Perk - 26.2 minutes a game, 6.7 points, 7 boards, 2.3 blocks

If Shaq is "not good", I guess Perk and a long list of other NBA centers fit that description as well.

That would be amazing, if basketball was tennis, but it isn't.

Cleveland was -6 per 100 possessions overall with Shaq. The Celtics were +7 per 100 overall with Perkins. Even more curiously, both our offense and defense was better with Perkins on the floor.

So sorry. Shaq is still no good.

[StealthB]

It's a no brainer in my opinion to get Shaq for the following reasons:

1) JO is injury prone and Semih Erden is slated to be his backup.
2) We are not going to run the risk of running KG to the ground to play the 4 and 5, and Baby is not a 5 and will be backing up KG.
3) Perk is not coming back until February and won't be in game shape until March.  Also, who knows if he will be the old Perk or a shadow of himself and probably won't be able to really contribute until the playoffs if at all next year.

Kwame has proven to be worthless on many teams in 9 seasons.  So, Shaq is the best available option.  He may not be healthy all year either, but having a true 7 footer and someone who can bang down low is going to be invaluable to this team come playoff time.  Who cares if we have 5 bigs.  A front line of Shaq/Perk/JO/KG/Baby is solid with good insurance so everyone's minutes are limited.  If I recall one of the reasons we lost game 7 was because of poor rounding and lack of length.


Right now we have backups for our starting 5

PG - Nate
SG - Wafer
SF - Daniels
PF - Davis
C - ?? (Erden)

We have Harangody/Bradley/Lafayette/Gaffney

Honestly, Ainge should give up Sheed's contract, Erden, Lafayette, and Gaffney bring in Shaq and sign another wing like Jarvis Hayes who has length at 6'8' to spell Pierce.  Not sure what Daniels is going to provide next year at SF.  He's more of SG with the shoot.

Roster I'd like to see...

PG - Rondo/Nate/Bradley
SG - Allen/Daniels/Wafer
SF - Pierce/Hayes/Harongody
PF - Garnett/Davis/JO
C - JO/Shaq/Perk

[clover]

So once LA's trash,is good enough for us. Kwame who got booed out of town,has short reach,bad stats is better choice? Shaq, immobile as he is,is a winner,but should we listen to Perk?

    “In my opinion, I think they’re better [without Shaq],” he said after practice on Saturday. “They can run more, you’ve got Anderson Varejao who’s more of an active body, he gets LeBron open a lot, opens up the paint for him, so I think they’re a better team. I mean obviously Shaq could help them, but I think they’re a better, more fast-paced team.”

Perkins makes a valid point.  Including the game against Boston, the Cavs have played eight games since O’Neal’s injury.  They are now 7-1, with the only loss coming while playing without Lebron James against a hot Milwaukee team.  Without Shaq, they’re more versatile, and sometimes even toss out a lineup with Lebron at the four that’s virtually unstoppable.

Of course, a few games before Shaq was injured, the Cavs had a 13-game winning streak.  Maybe they’re just really, really good, whether the Diesel plays or not.

Never doubt the wisdom of Perk.  He was drafted an old soul.

[Jonny CC]

How does Shaq not fit with this team when Perk does? Washed up Shaq is still faster than Perk up and down the court. He's a better finisher equal post defender if not better. The only thing that Shaq doesnt' do better than Perk at this point is move laterally (covering pick and rolls/help defense). His attitude might not fit with his team, but I can't see how his game doesn't.

2010 Shaq is faster than Perk?  Maybe in the playoffs after not playing for half the year, and maybe in a race to the buffet line, but he's got Acie Earl acceleration during the regular season. 

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Kwame Brown has hands like the guy in the Burger King commercial for the double cheeseburger.  Seriously, the guy has tiny, tiny hands.  Thought Shelden was bad?  This guy will drive us all nuts.

I think the guy has a creepy resemblance to MJ, though.  Look at pictures of them smiling side-by-side.

[ManUp]

How does Shaq not fit with this team when Perk does? Washed up Shaq is still faster than Perk up and down the court. He's a better finisher equal post defender if not better. The only thing that Shaq doesnt' do better than Perk at this point is move laterally (covering pick and rolls/help defense). His attitude might not fit with his team, but I can't see how his game doesn't.

2010 Shaq is faster than Perk?  Maybe in the playoffs after not playing for half the year, and maybe in a race to the buffet line, but he's got Acie Earl acceleration during the regular season. 

Say what you want about Shaq's weight size or whatever, but I guarantee you he's faster than Perk. All I'm trying to say is Perk and Shaq are basically the same type of players. Slow, half-court, bruising centers if Perk's speed and inability to create spacing doesn't hurt the team why should Shaq? Not to mention Shaq is a much more capable offensive player and finisher.

[DinTN]

My vote is for Shaq. With that being said, I'd still like Sheed to be available post-season just like PJ Brown. I'd also like a better wing.

Let's say we get Shaq & Sheed is available post-season. Perk might not be back in the sense of being 100%. JO could play PF. Shaq or Sheed would be more effective in limited minutes.  JO has had some injury issues, but as we saw this year (regular season & playoffs) need to be prepared for when the next injury occurs, including unexpected ones.

Not sold on backup wings of Wafer & Daniels. Wafer wasn't even in the NBA last year. Daniels has a history of getting injured.

[Who]

How does Shaq not fit with this team when Perk does? Washed up Shaq is still faster than Perk up and down the court. He's a better finisher equal post defender if not better. The only thing that Shaq doesnt' do better than Perk at this point is move laterally (covering pick and rolls/help defense). His attitude might not fit with his team, but I can't see how his game doesn't.

2010 Shaq is faster than Perk?  Maybe in the playoffs after not playing for half the year, and maybe in a race to the buffet line, but he's got Acie Earl acceleration during the regular season. 

Say what you want about Shaq's weight size or whatever, but I guarantee you he's faster than Perk. All I'm trying to say is Perk and Shaq are basically the same type of players. Slow, half-court, bruising centers if Perk's speed and inability to create spacing doesn't hurt the team why should Shaq? Not to mention Shaq is a much more capable offensive player and finisher.

Shaq might be quicker than Perk running up and down the floor (straight line runner) but I think Perk is quicker laterally and is better at changing directions.

[Bankshot]

My vote is for Shaq. With that being said, I'd still like Sheed to be available post-season just like PJ Brown. I'd also like a better wing.

Let's say we get Shaq & Sheed is available post-season. Perk might not be back in the sense of being 100%. JO could play PF. Shaq or Sheed would be more effective in limited minutes.  JO has had some injury issues, but as we saw this year (regular season & playoffs) need to be prepared for when the next injury occurs, including unexpected ones.

Not sold on backup wings of Wafer & Daniels. Wafer wasn't even in the NBA last year. Daniels has a history of getting injured.

That's why I want to trade for Corey Brewer.  I just don't know how we're going to get him.

[Rashi]

My vote is for Shaq. With that being said, I'd still like Sheed to be available post-season just like PJ Brown. I'd also like a better wing.

Let's say we get Shaq & Sheed is available post-season. Perk might not be back in the sense of being 100%. JO could play PF. Shaq or Sheed would be more effective in limited minutes.  JO has had some injury issues, but as we saw this year (regular season & playoffs) need to be prepared for when the next injury occurs, including unexpected ones.

Not sold on backup wings of Wafer & Daniels. Wafer wasn't even in the NBA last year. Daniels has a history of getting injured.

That's why I want to trade for Corey Brewer.  I just don't know how we're going to get him.

Are they looking to get rid of Corey? Can we offer them a pick or something?

[KG_ended_Bias]

It would be hard for me to even root for my Celtics if we ever signed that garbage. I championship window would shatter instantly if we are looking at Von Wafer and Kwame Brown playing significant roles on a supposed championship roster. Since Kwame has arrived in the league I doubt he has worked 2 hours on his game. He is pathetic!