What could we realistically be offering for Rudy Fernandez?(UPDATE on 1st page)

[Chris]

The thing is, if it's just picks they want, Portland is likely better off trading with New York, who will certainly draft below us over the next two years.  

The problem is, NY cannot trade draft picks until 2014 I believe.  And Chicago cannot trade them until 2013. 

[Jon]

The thing is, if it's just picks they want, Portland is likely better off trading with New York, who will certainly draft below us over the next two years.  

The problem is, NY cannot trade draft picks until 2014 I believe.  And Chicago cannot trade them until 2013. 

Good point.  TP

[MBunge]

Here are the latest with Boston and New York.

Cho has backed off to say he is not in any hurry to trade Rudy. Basically Cho is waiting to see if Boston or NY Knicks will change their offers.

Boston
Boston isn't sure they are willing to give up two 1st round picks as they are countering with a 1st & 2nd round picks. Basically Boston is getting two good role players in Rudy Fernandez and Joel Przybilla.

The problem for Boston is they haven't found any better free agents or better players from other teams willing to take back Rasheed Wallace contract for an exception. With Kendrick Perkins out 6-7 months with a torn ACL, the Celtics need a center and Joel would fix that problem.

Here is the "rumored" offer by Portland:

$8.65M - Rudy Fernandez, Joel Przybilla and Portland 2011 2nd to Boston
$7.08M - Rasheed Wallace, Tony Gaffney, 2011 & 2013 1st round picks (both picks lottery protected over several years) to Portland

New York
Right now the offer is less thrilling as NY offers a 1st round pick in 2014 and Toney Douglas. Portland wants Anthony Randolph and New York is thinking about it, but hasn't approved any deals yet.

http://www.clubblazers.com/blazers-discussion/rumor-portland-working-trade-today-t3494-30.html

FWIW, Portland forum says this guy is very credible. If Ainge gives up 2 1st round picks then you can bet that he gets Oden instead of Przybilla. My two cents. Portland is obviously trying to collect 1st round picks to go hard after Chris Paul.

There's no flippin' way Ainge gives up two first round picks for Rudy and a guy coming off 2 serious knee injuries in a year, not with Perk already already on the shelf for must of the coming season.

Mike

[Fan from VT]

I'm telling you, a really interesting gamble that could either be a genius move or collossal bust would be:

Sheed
Perk
Rondo
Lafayette
Gaffney

for

Oden
Andre Miller
Fernandez
Cunningham


In the short term, Miller is possibly a small downgrade on offense, but on the flip side he's a very good mid-range shooter and would absolutely prevent the "rondo sag-off" defense. He's a downgrade on D, but our D is already stifling, and Oden would really help that anyway.

Short term and long term, the deal hinges on Oden's health. He's still really young, and has been incredibly good when healthy. If he gets his health (for example, okafor had the "injury" knock but has secretly played 82 games for 3 years and 67 the year before that once his body got used to the grind).

Additionally, the Rondo/oden swap may actually be enough in Boston's favor to grab an extra 1st round pick or grab Bayless to be an extra backup 1/2.


Miller/Robinson
Ray/Rudy
Pierce/Daniels
KG/Baby/Cunningham (could also guard big 3's)
Oden/O'neal

Considering Perk is definitely out for a while, just swapping Miller for Rondo wouldn't make us that much worse (I wouldn't do it, mind you), especially as it would change the way opposing defenses can guard the C's; but then throw in Oden, and it COULD be a huge boon and game changer for the C's.

[Jon]

I'm telling you, a really interesting gamble that could either be a genius move or collossal bust would be:

Sheed
Perk
Rondo
Lafayette
Gaffney

for

Oden
Andre Miller
Fernandez
Cunningham


In the short term, Miller is possibly a small downgrade on offense, but on the flip side he's a very good mid-range shooter and would absolutely prevent the "rondo sag-off" defense. He's a downgrade on D, but our D is already stifling, and Oden would really help that anyway.

Short term and long term, the deal hinges on Oden's health. He's still really young, and has been incredibly good when healthy. If he gets his health (for example, okafor had the "injury" knock but has secretly played 82 games for 3 years and 67 the year before that once his body got used to the grind).

Additionally, the Rondo/oden swap may actually be enough in Boston's favor to grab an extra 1st round pick or grab Bayless to be an extra backup 1/2.


Miller/Robinson
Ray/Rudy
Pierce/Daniels
KG/Baby/Cunningham (could also guard big 3's)
Oden/O'neal

Considering Perk is definitely out for a while, just swapping Miller for Rondo wouldn't make us that much worse (I wouldn't do it, mind you), especially as it would change the way opposing defenses can guard the C's; but then throw in Oden, and it COULD be a huge boon and game changer for the C's.

Don't like it.  Rondo was our best player most games last year.  Andre Miller won't be that.  Thus, it hurts us in the short term. 

And given that the deal largely hinges on Oden being an instant superstar, I don't like the risk. 

Between Oden needing to develop more to be a superstar and the dramatic downgrade from Rondo to Miller, I don't see us winning this year.  And given Oden's precarious health, there's too much of a risk he won't help us down the line. 

[kozlodoev]

Pryzbilla's contract could also be used at the trade deadline. $7.4 million expiring.

Przybilla injured his knee in December, and re-injured the same knee in January by slipping in the shower(!). His status, as of now, is "questionable for training camp 2010-2011" and this is optimistic.

I don't see how he can realistically be viewed as possible help during Perkins' injury, given that he may not even play next season at all.

[FrDrake]

DA will hopefully break this new GM in Portland like a twig and convince him that 2nd picks are more valuable today that late first round picks since you have more control over the length and dollars in the contract. 

November, December, and January don't matter.  If Przybilla gets healthy, and you have KG, Jermaine, Perk, Baby and Joel ready for the playoffs, that is a lot of beef to throw at the Lakers.

Even if Przybilla doesn't get healthy, they would still be better trading Sheed and a #1 for Rudy, who would be a great sixth man.

[Fan from VT]

Here's one more fun one:

Boston
Gives:Baby, Sheed, Rondo, Lafayette

Gets: Chris Paul, Pendergraph, cunningham, Fernandez

New Orleans
Gives: Paul, Okafor
Gets: Oden, Miller, Sheed, Gaffney, Davis

Portland
GIves: Oden, Miller, Fernandez, Pendergraph, Cunningham
Gets: Rondo, Okafor

[LilRip]

I'm telling you, a really interesting gamble that could either be a genius move or collossal bust would be:

Sheed
Perk
Rondo
Lafayette
Gaffney

for

Oden
Andre Miller
Fernandez
Cunningham


In the short term, Miller is possibly a small downgrade on offense, but on the flip side he's a very good mid-range shooter and would absolutely prevent the "rondo sag-off" defense. He's a downgrade on D, but our D is already stifling, and Oden would really help that anyway.

Short term and long term, the deal hinges on Oden's health. He's still really young, and has been incredibly good when healthy. If he gets his health (for example, okafor had the "injury" knock but has secretly played 82 games for 3 years and 67 the year before that once his body got used to the grind).

Additionally, the Rondo/oden swap may actually be enough in Boston's favor to grab an extra 1st round pick or grab Bayless to be an extra backup 1/2.


Miller/Robinson
Ray/Rudy
Pierce/Daniels
KG/Baby/Cunningham (could also guard big 3's)
Oden/O'neal

Considering Perk is definitely out for a while, just swapping Miller for Rondo wouldn't make us that much worse (I wouldn't do it, mind you), especially as it would change the way opposing defenses can guard the C's; but then throw in Oden, and it COULD be a huge boon and game changer for the C's.

while this will not happen, this is actually very very interesting. i haven't done the math to see if the salaries add up and i don't know when the contracts will expire, but talent-wise... yeah. it's very interesting. not a huge fan of Andre Miller but having Oden would be... exciting to say the least. if he puts together a healthy season, we'll have an absolutely dominant frontcourt. adding Bayless to a player we're getting would be interesting too.

btw, i don't know much about Cunningham. but all in all, an interesting trade. I'll have to think on this more.



- LilRip

[Fan from VT]

I'm telling you, a really interesting gamble that could either be a genius move or collossal bust would be:

Sheed
Perk
Rondo
Lafayette
Gaffney

for

Oden
Andre Miller
Fernandez
Cunningham


In the short term, Miller is possibly a small downgrade on offense, but on the flip side he's a very good mid-range shooter and would absolutely prevent the "rondo sag-off" defense. He's a downgrade on D, but our D is already stifling, and Oden would really help that anyway.

Short term and long term, the deal hinges on Oden's health. He's still really young, and has been incredibly good when healthy. If he gets his health (for example, okafor had the "injury" knock but has secretly played 82 games for 3 years and 67 the year before that once his body got used to the grind).

Additionally, the Rondo/oden swap may actually be enough in Boston's favor to grab an extra 1st round pick or grab Bayless to be an extra backup 1/2.


Miller/Robinson
Ray/Rudy
Pierce/Daniels
KG/Baby/Cunningham (could also guard big 3's)
Oden/O'neal

Considering Perk is definitely out for a while, just swapping Miller for Rondo wouldn't make us that much worse (I wouldn't do it, mind you), especially as it would change the way opposing defenses can guard the C's; but then throw in Oden, and it COULD be a huge boon and game changer for the C's.

while this will not happen, this is actually very very interesting. i haven't done the math to see if the salaries add up and i don't know when the contracts will expire, but talent-wise... yeah. it's very interesting. not a huge fan of Andre Miller but having Oden would be... exciting to say the least. if he puts together a healthy season, we'll have an absolutely dominant frontcourt. adding Bayless to a player we're getting would be interesting too.

btw, i don't know much about Cunningham. but all in all, an interesting trade. I'll have to think on this more.



- LilRip

Salaries do go through the ESPN trade machine, so it should work money wise, even accounting for Rondo's BYC status.

I really like cunningham. From Villanova, became really intrigued watching him out there (looked long and athletic), put up quite good per-minute numbers as a rookie last year.

[wdleehi]

Can't give up two 1sts.  One of them will be a post big three pick. 


Not for a guy demanding to be traded or he will go back to Spain and a one year rental on an injured C. 

[FrDrake]

I know it is summer and these are the dog days of the nba offseason, but c'mon?  Rondo trades ain't happening and we also aren't getting Oden or Paul.  I believe Durant is also unavailable.  Sorry.

[Fan from VT]

I know it is summer and these are the dog days of the nba offseason, but c'mon?  Rondo trades ain't happening and we also aren't getting Oden or Paul.  I believe Durant is also unavailable.  Sorry.

Okay. Close the thread, guys. Fun sports discussion time is over.

[FrDrake]

I know it is summer and these are the dog days of the nba offseason, but c'mon?  Rondo trades ain't happening and we also aren't getting Oden or Paul.  I believe Durant is also unavailable.  Sorry.

Okay. Close the thread, guys. Fun sports discussion time is over.

Everyone can make up whatever trade they want.  I'm just saying can we make up trades that would actually happen on planet earth.

[Evantime34]

Can't give up two 1sts.  One of them will be a post big three pick. 


Not for a guy demanding to be traded or he will go back to Spain and a one year rental on an injured C. 

Tp. Could not agree more. We need our picks to start to draft players that will replace the big 3.

However, if we can get Pryzbilla and Rudy for a 1st and a 2nd I think this is an absolute steal.