Can the Celtics really do anything right now to improve their roster?

[Birdbrain]

Well, turning Sheed into Josh Howard would improve our roster dramatically, though beginning to question just how possible that is. 

But even if we were to land Shaq with Sheed's deal, and nothing else, we'd still be a better team now than with a minimum guy filling in that spot.  So in that regard, I think we can improve the team.

A side note: I was pushing the idea of waiting until the deadline to get someone; however, how long can Sheed stay in limbo for?  Will the NBA let us keep him "active" at home, then trade him, then have him retire?  Will Wyc balk at paying Sheed 3-4 million dollars of his deal to sit at home until the deadline? 

Yeah I would suspect that he can't be in 'might retire' mode until the trade deadline and then all of sudden retire after being traded.  That's a bit too obvious for Stern no too have a problem with.

[Chris]

Even with Sheeds contract, unless we get Josh Howard or someone but I don't if that is going to happen. I don't know if the Celtics can do much to improve their roster until the trade deadline.  We're really just going to have to improve internally and go along until the trading deadline IMO.

Well, I think they can fill out the roster with some NBA quality depth, but other than that, I generally agree that at this point, they are looking at the trade deadline to bring in real reinforcements.  And I am just fine with that. 

Bring in a vet minimum wing and big who can eat some minutes, and then re-evaluate in January when teams start selling guys off to save cash.

[Chris]

Well, turning Sheed into Josh Howard would improve our roster dramatically, though beginning to question just how possible that is. 

But even if we were to land Shaq with Sheed's deal, and nothing else, we'd still be a better team now than with a minimum guy filling in that spot.  So in that regard, I think we can improve the team.

A side note: I was pushing the idea of waiting until the deadline to get someone; however, how long can Sheed stay in limbo for?  Will the NBA let us keep him "active" at home, then trade him, then have him retire?  Will Wyc balk at paying Sheed 3-4 million dollars of his deal to sit at home until the deadline? 

Yeah I would suspect that he can't be in 'might retire' mode until the trade deadline and then all of sudden retire after being traded.  That's a bit too obvious for Stern no too have a problem with.

I don't think "obvious" matters.  There are players who have been "resigned" to be traded at midseason.  Teams are constantly working out sign and trades, purely to get trade exceptions. 

These are all well-established and accepted ways of manipulating the CBA.  It helps contenders get better, and teams hurting for money save money.  Stern wouldn't step in on this, unless he wanted to anger owners.

[BballTim]

getting Rudy Fernandez would be the best option. getting Shaq (provided he's ok with being a role player) would also be great.



- LilRip

I would really like it if we got those two, but how likely is that to happening?  Also could we get something better at the trading deadline?

Getting Shaq would likely make Perkins or O'Neal tradeable at the deadline.

  Not really. Perk might not even see the court by then.

[Jon]

Well, turning Sheed into Josh Howard would improve our roster dramatically, though beginning to question just how possible that is. 

But even if we were to land Shaq with Sheed's deal, and nothing else, we'd still be a better team now than with a minimum guy filling in that spot.  So in that regard, I think we can improve the team.

A side note: I was pushing the idea of waiting until the deadline to get someone; however, how long can Sheed stay in limbo for?  Will the NBA let us keep him "active" at home, then trade him, then have him retire?  Will Wyc balk at paying Sheed 3-4 million dollars of his deal to sit at home until the deadline? 

Yeah I would suspect that he can't be in 'might retire' mode until the trade deadline and then all of sudden retire after being traded.  That's a bit too obvious for Stern no too have a problem with.

I don't think "obvious" matters.  There are players who have been "resigned" to be traded at midseason.  Teams are constantly working out sign and trades, purely to get trade exceptions. 

These are all well-established and accepted ways of manipulating the CBA.  It helps contenders get better, and teams hurting for money save money.  Stern wouldn't step in on this, unless he wanted to anger owners.

But are those players who are re-signed to be traded at midseason usually sitting at home with their kids until February? 

It'd be one thing if he reported, but I think if Rasheed reports, he's playing the entire season.

[Chris]

Well, turning Sheed into Josh Howard would improve our roster dramatically, though beginning to question just how possible that is. 

But even if we were to land Shaq with Sheed's deal, and nothing else, we'd still be a better team now than with a minimum guy filling in that spot.  So in that regard, I think we can improve the team.

A side note: I was pushing the idea of waiting until the deadline to get someone; however, how long can Sheed stay in limbo for?  Will the NBA let us keep him "active" at home, then trade him, then have him retire?  Will Wyc balk at paying Sheed 3-4 million dollars of his deal to sit at home until the deadline? 

Yeah I would suspect that he can't be in 'might retire' mode until the trade deadline and then all of sudden retire after being traded.  That's a bit too obvious for Stern no too have a problem with.

I don't think "obvious" matters.  There are players who have been "resigned" to be traded at midseason.  Teams are constantly working out sign and trades, purely to get trade exceptions. 

These are all well-established and accepted ways of manipulating the CBA.  It helps contenders get better, and teams hurting for money save money.  Stern wouldn't step in on this, unless he wanted to anger owners.

But are those players who are re-signed to be traded at midseason usually sitting at home with their kids until February? 

It'd be one thing if he reported, but I think if Rasheed reports, he's playing the entire season.

Yes.  In fact, it has been done with players who have not played for a year or two. 

As for players being traded and retiring immediately, we saw it happen with the C's a couple times with Chris Mills, and with Rick Fox.

[nba is the worst]

Even with Sheeds contract, unless we get Josh Howard or someone but I don't if that is going to happen. I don't know if the Celtics can do much to improve their roster until the trade deadline.  We're really just going to have to improve internally and go along until the trading deadline IMO.

Well, I think they can fill out the roster with some NBA quality depth, but other than that, I generally agree that at this point, they are looking at the trade deadline to bring in real reinforcements.  And I am just fine with that. 

Bring in a vet minimum wing and big who can eat some minutes, and then re-evaluate in January when teams start selling guys off to save cash.

Earl Barron is still available - and the double-double he posted with the Knicks at the end of the year makes me believe he is possibly better than Shelden. Cheap and hungry is a good combination!

[BballTim]

Well, turning Sheed into Josh Howard would improve our roster dramatically, though beginning to question just how possible that is. 

But even if we were to land Shaq with Sheed's deal, and nothing else, we'd still be a better team now than with a minimum guy filling in that spot.  So in that regard, I think we can improve the team.

A side note: I was pushing the idea of waiting until the deadline to get someone; however, how long can Sheed stay in limbo for?  Will the NBA let us keep him "active" at home, then trade him, then have him retire?  Will Wyc balk at paying Sheed 3-4 million dollars of his deal to sit at home until the deadline? 

Yeah I would suspect that he can't be in 'might retire' mode until the trade deadline and then all of sudden retire after being traded.  That's a bit too obvious for Stern no too have a problem with.

I don't think "obvious" matters.  There are players who have been "resigned" to be traded at midseason.  Teams are constantly working out sign and trades, purely to get trade exceptions. 

These are all well-established and accepted ways of manipulating the CBA.  It helps contenders get better, and teams hurting for money save money.  Stern wouldn't step in on this, unless he wanted to anger owners.

But are those players who are re-signed to be traded at midseason usually sitting at home with their kids until February? 

It'd be one thing if he reported, but I think if Rasheed reports, he's playing the entire season.

Yes.  In fact, it has been done with players who have not played for a year or two. 

As for players being traded and retiring immediately, we saw it happen with the C's a couple times with Chris Mills, and with Rick Fox.

  Probably Brian Grant as well.

[nickagneta]

Sheed's contract and possibly others to:

Houston for Chcuk Hayes and Shae Battier
Houston for Jared Jeffries and Jordan Hill
Cleveland for Shaq and Moon and Parker
Golden State for Andris Biedrins
Golden State for Vldamir Radmonovic and Brandan Wright
Portland for Joel Przybilla and Rudy Fernandez
Phoenix in a three way with some other for Grant Hill and/or Jared Dudley
Philadelphia for Jason Kapono and Jason Smith
Philasdelphia for Andres Nocioni
Oklahoma City for Morris Peterson, Kyle Weaver and BJ Mullens
New Orleans for Emeka Okafor
New Orleans for Darius Songalia and Julian Wright
Minnesota for Beasley, Ellington and Koufos
Detroit for Tayshaun Prince

These are just some ideas. Are most of them likely? Probably not but there's no reason to believe they are completely out of the question either. There are a bunch of things that can still go down. We just have to have as much patience as fans as Danny does as GM.

[Michael Anthony]

Wallace and a 2nd rounder for Shaq
Perkins and a 1st rounder for Sefolosha and Mullins
Bradley for Fernandez

Rondo - Robinson
Allen - Fernandez - Daniels
Pierce - Sefolosha
Garnett - Davis - Harangody
O'Neal - O'Neal - Mullins

[Jon]

Well, turning Sheed into Josh Howard would improve our roster dramatically, though beginning to question just how possible that is. 

But even if we were to land Shaq with Sheed's deal, and nothing else, we'd still be a better team now than with a minimum guy filling in that spot.  So in that regard, I think we can improve the team.

A side note: I was pushing the idea of waiting until the deadline to get someone; however, how long can Sheed stay in limbo for?  Will the NBA let us keep him "active" at home, then trade him, then have him retire?  Will Wyc balk at paying Sheed 3-4 million dollars of his deal to sit at home until the deadline? 

Yeah I would suspect that he can't be in 'might retire' mode until the trade deadline and then all of sudden retire after being traded.  That's a bit too obvious for Stern no too have a problem with.

I don't think "obvious" matters.  There are players who have been "resigned" to be traded at midseason.  Teams are constantly working out sign and trades, purely to get trade exceptions. 

These are all well-established and accepted ways of manipulating the CBA.  It helps contenders get better, and teams hurting for money save money.  Stern wouldn't step in on this, unless he wanted to anger owners.

But are those players who are re-signed to be traded at midseason usually sitting at home with their kids until February? 

It'd be one thing if he reported, but I think if Rasheed reports, he's playing the entire season.

Yes.  In fact, it has been done with players who have not played for a year or two. 

As for players being traded and retiring immediately, we saw it happen with the C's a couple times with Chris Mills, and with Rick Fox.

  Probably Brian Grant as well.

I'm not worried about the retiring immediately business.  I'm worried about February.  I have no doubt that Rasheed can be signed and traded now, but can he sit at home for the next 6 months in limbo, then be traded, and then retire? 

[#1 Lakerhater]

Trade BBD, Lafayette, Gaffney,& Sheed's contract to Indiana for Troy Murphy. Indiana is 10 million over the cap & needs cap relief. Murphy averaged 15 points & 10 rebounds last year. Then sign a backup wing player for the vet minimum.

[Mike-Dub]

Trade BBD, Lafayette, Gaffney,& Sheed's contract to Indiana for Troy Murphy. Indiana is 10 million over the cap & needs cap relief. Murphy averaged 15 points & 10 rebounds last year. Then sign a backup wing player for the vet minimum.

I'd rather keep Baby.