Jermaine O'Neal- "I am going to try and talk Sheed into coming back "

[StartOrien]

If we can't trade the contract, sure.  In that instance, I'd love to agree to a full buyout of Rasheed's contract, and then maybe re-sign him after the All-star break.

Why would Rasheed do that?  If he wants to play basketball again, there is no way I see him walking away from $12 million, just to be able to work out at home, instead of with the team (if you call what he does early in the season working out).

I think there is a zero percent chance of this happening.  He is either here on his current contract, or he retires, no in between.

A buyout does the exact same thing as a retirement does for him right now; he still won't be collecting checks.

However, lots of players change their minds about retirement.  Rasheed may want a chance to refresh his batteries, and he could potentially want another chance to compete when the playoffs get closer.

What a buyout, rather than a retirement, does for the team is that it allows Rasheed to come back before sitting out an entire year.

Thanks for clarification Roy, I was wondering the same myself

[CelticsWhat35]

It took Rasheed almost an entire season to get into half-way decent playing shape.  What do you think would happen if he was home for the first 4-5 months of the season?

[Kane3387]

If we can't trade the contract, sure.  In that instance, I'd love to agree to a full buyout of Rasheed's contract, and then maybe re-sign him after the All-star break.

This statement makes absolutley no sense. A buyout does nothing because we are over the salary cap. So according to this thinking, no retiring contract for trade and no fourth big? Why? It would be better to trade him for a small forward and then have him be bought out for nothing and come back at the all star break. I mean at least suggest that lol. Sheed is needed in the beginning of the season, because Perk is out, more than he will be needed at the all star break when Perk is supposedly coming back.

Im hoping you didn't mean what you typed in this qoute. If you did please explain the logic behind your hope of this happening... To me what you said is the worst scenario possible outside of him retiring and us getting nothing. If we cant trade the contract for help then I would love Rasheed back while Perk is out. Our fromtline would be the most versatile in the league even without Perk. Baby can guard a lot of centers and KG,Sheed, and JO are all capable of playing the 4 and the 5. All four of our bigs could go inside and out as well.

[Kane3387]

If we can't trade the contract, sure.  In that instance, I'd love to agree to a full buyout of Rasheed's contract, and then maybe re-sign him after the All-star break.

This statement makes absolutley no sense. A buyout does nothing because we are over the salary cap. So according to this thinking, no retiring contract for trade and no fourth big? Why? It would be better to trade him for a small forward and then have him be bought out for nothing and come back at the all star break. I mean at least suggest that lol. Sheed is needed in the beginning of the season, because Perk is out, more than he will be needed at the all star break when Perk is supposedly coming back.

Im hoping you didn't mean what you typed in this qoute. If you did please explain the logic behind your hope of this happening... To me what you said is the worst scenario possible outside of him retiring and us getting nothing. If we cant trade the contract for help then I would love Rasheed back while Perk is out. Our fromtline would be the most versatile in the league even without Perk. Baby can guard a lot of centers and KG,Sheed, and JO are all capable of playing the 4 and the 5. All four of our bigs could go inside and out as well.

I just don't see the locgic... He is more valuable to us at the beginning of the season then the end. Let him charge batteries as a fifth big when Perk is back. It's not like Doc won't be watching his minutes anyways.

Lol what if JO, KG, or Baby goes down for an extended time too? Still want him waiting for the all star break? You must really like Erden if you say yes.

[Chris]

If we can't trade the contract, sure.  In that instance, I'd love to agree to a full buyout of Rasheed's contract, and then maybe re-sign him after the All-star break.

Why would Rasheed do that?  If he wants to play basketball again, there is no way I see him walking away from $12 million, just to be able to work out at home, instead of with the team (if you call what he does early in the season working out).

I think there is a zero percent chance of this happening.  He is either here on his current contract, or he retires, no in between.

A buyout does the exact same thing as a retirement does for him right now; he still won't be collecting checks.

However, lots of players change their minds about retirement.  Rasheed may want a chance to refresh his batteries, and he could potentially want another chance to compete when the playoffs get closer.

What a buyout, rather than a retirement, does for the team is that it allows Rasheed to come back before sitting out an entire year.

Well, you can think that, but I will bet you anything, Sheed does not do that.  Sheed won't give up that kind of money lightly, and if he retires, he will retire completely.

Max brought up a good point about sheeds contract a few months ago. Sheed is pretty much playing for the minimum already if you consider

He will make maybe 3 mil after taxes
He had to move his family across the country and get a new place
Has to pay people to watch his other properties

So after all that he is probably making 1 or 2 mil on his contract

Wouldn't it make sense for him to get paid about 2 mil by being bought out? He could stay at home with the family and be rested for a playoff run

I don't get that argument.  Those are living expenses.  They are not being taken out of his salary directly.  That is like saying someone who makes $45,000 a year is only making $5,000 a year after they pay taxes, and rent, and insurance, and cable bills etc.

Sheed is making 6+ million per year more than he would be if he is retired.  If some of that goes to taxes, or expenses involved with it, that is part of life.  But that is still significantly more money than if he were not being paid.  And he will still have similar expenses, if he is bought out, and then comes back in a couple months, but he will be making significantly less money.

[Evantime34]

The best idea would be to have Sheed get traded and then bought out and not retire (with us sending the value of his buyout with him in any deal). Then if he is ready to come back by midseason we would have the type of length that only the Lakers can boast plus we would get value out of his contract.

[steve]

Am I the only one that remembers how awful Sheed was the entire regular season?

[moiso]

Am I the only one that remembers how awful Sheed was the entire regular season?

No you are not.  Please retire, Rasheed.  And please keep your mouth shut, Jermaine.

[Assassin70]

Am I the only one that remembers how awful Sheed was the entire regular season?

No you are not.  Please retire, Rasheed.  And please keep your mouth shut, Jermaine.

Co sign

[manl_lui]

that's not a bad idea, Sheed did well in the offseason, he can play lazy as long as he can play defense and score in the playoffs...we've seen that throughout all the 4 series

now if Rasheed does not retire, we don't even need a "lets get shaq, dampier or whatever bigs" talk

Rasheed can just straight up either come off the bench or start...do you prefer a center or a slower center?

[Jon]

Though I don't think Sheed is coming back and though I don't particularly want him to, let's pretend he does come back. 

Obviously, we become overloaded at the 4/5 position once Perk comes back, as there's no way we're finding minutes for KG, JO, BBD, Sheed, and Perk.  And obviously we'd be weak at the 2/3 spots with nothing but the minimum to work with. 

Which got me thinking, if Sheed does come back, what could we get by trading Perk and/or BBD?  Conceivably we could trade both if we signed someone like Brown, Ratliff, Thomas (leaving us with KG, JO, Wallace, and 4th big).  What's more, might Perk and/or BBD net us more at the 2/3 spot than Sheed's contract?  Both have reasonable contracts, are fairly young, are expiring after this year, and would give their new team their Bird rights.  Moreover, BBD doesn't look to be our starter of the future at the 4 and many have wondered if Perk has priced himself out of what Danny's willing to pay.

I'd still prefer for Sheed to stay retired and to trade his exception.  However, there might be other ways to do this if by some small chance he comes back. 

[Greg]

I've said this again and again but no one seems to listen  

There is no way that Perk is back in 5 to 6 months.  He just underwent surgery.  If his ACL is fully torn, he is back late March at the earliest.  

And the way that Perkins plays, he uses his lower body strength to keep players from backing him down/the way he goes up to finish, there's no way he's going to be back to normal.

While we can hope that Perk has a speedy recovery, he probably isn't going to be the same Perk we're used to seeing.  There's a chance he doesn't even return at all next season.

We need another big.  If KG, JO, or BBD go down, we're down to ZERO legitimate backups.  I like Harangody, but I don't think he can play center.  If we bring back Sheed, that's fine.  If we can pick up another big like Shaq, that's also fine.

People have this illusion that the Celtics have a logjam at center, we don't.  Until we know more on Perk, Celtics management needs to prepare for the worst.

But for some reason people keep thinking

[Who]

Though I don't think Sheed is coming back and though I don't particularly want him to, let's pretend he does come back. 

Obviously, we become overloaded at the 4/5 position once Perk comes back, as there's no way we're finding minutes for KG, JO, BBD, Sheed, and Perk.  And obviously we'd be weak at the 2/3 spots with nothing but the minimum to work with. 

Which got me thinking, if Sheed does come back, what could we get by trading Perk and/or BBD?  Conceivably we could trade both if we signed someone like Brown, Ratliff, Thomas (leaving us with KG, JO, Wallace, and 4th big).  What's more, might Perk and/or BBD net us more at the 2/3 spot than Sheed's contract?  Both have reasonable contracts, are fairly young, are expiring after this year, and would give their new team their Bird rights.  Moreover, BBD doesn't look to be our starter of the future at the 4 and many have wondered if Perk has priced himself out of what Danny's willing to pay.

I'd still prefer for Sheed to stay retired and to trade his exception.  However, there might be other ways to do this if by some small chance he comes back. 

I don't think Danny can trade Perkins until after he recovers from his injury + proves his fitness.

Which with this later return date will be after the trade deadline.

[ram]

4s and 5s in the NBA are like pitching in baseball-you can never have enough.

Celts sure could have used 1 more decent big in Game 7.

But Wallace is not walking through that door next season.

[Tai]

I've said this again and again but no one seems to listen  

There is no way that Perk is back in 5 to 6 months.  He just underwent surgery.  If his ACL is fully torn, he is back late March at the earliest.  

And the way that Perkins plays, he uses his lower body strength to keep players from backing him down/the way he goes up to finish, there's no way he's going to be back to normal.

While we can hope that Perk has a speedy recovery, he probably isn't going to be the same Perk we're used to seeing.  There's a chance he doesn't even return at all next season.

We need another big.  If KG, JO, or BBD go down, we're down to ZERO legitimate backups.  I like Harangody, but I don't think he can play center.  If we bring back Sheed, that's fine.  If we can pick up another big like Shaq, that's also fine.

People have this illusion that the Celtics have a logjam at center, we don't.  Until we know more on Perk, Celtics management needs to prepare for the worst.

But for some reason people keep thinking

No offense, but maybe people aren't listening because you're being even more pessimistic than Danny. I think Perkins himself said he may be back by around December, and now Danny's saying by February. Even that long is a lot of games to go without Perkins, so yes, I'd agree we probably don't have a logjam at center.

Still, there's no point in saying things like he may not even come back at all unless you checked Perk's knee yourself or we have reports specifically saying otherwise.