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Re: Why do people want to trade Baby so much?
« Reply #30 on: July 13, 2010, 11:25:41 PM »

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I would include him in a trade that makes the Celtics better.

I would not use him as a throw in cap filler I have seen suggested some places. 

Re: Why do people want to trade Baby so much?
« Reply #31 on: July 13, 2010, 11:30:00 PM »

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And again, he's the only asset we have that other teams might want and that we'd be willing to give up.  That's why his name pops up so much. 

Re: Why do people want to trade Baby so much?
« Reply #32 on: July 13, 2010, 11:51:29 PM »

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Easy answer to this question.

If we trade Baby, we can start new threads titled, "Bringing Back Baby!" and "I Want My Baby Back!"

Love that comment  ;D

It is not that people want to trade him per se.

We all just want him to lose 30lbs and grow 5 inches.

... and not get his shot blocked, pass out of the post, play some defense, and be consistent.

I dont hate Baby at all.  Matter of fact at times I LOVE (no...) him.  I would hate to see him leave, but like other said if it makes our team better I am all for it.

But while we have him here just like colincb said he has to put it all together and be consistent.

I am not asking him to do something he is not capable of.  Just be the "Ticket Stub" as much as possible not only 10-15 out 90+ games like he has been the past 2 years.
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Re: Why do people want to trade Baby so much?
« Reply #33 on: July 14, 2010, 10:23:40 AM »

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I would move Baby because I think he's reached his ceiling. I don't think he will be much better or provide more to a team than he does now.

And you know he reached his ceiling how? ::) I don't think you trade a player just because he reached his ceiling.  If he's valuable to your team, then he's valuable to your team, whether he reached his ceiling or not.

I didn't say I "KNOW" he's reached his ceiling, I said I Think he's reached his ceiling.

Please God, let's not start to overrate BBD now.

He is and will forever be undersized. He does and forever will have trouble finishing at the rim against bigger players. I feel his brain and his game run hot and cold sometimes.

He has value is as a 7th man/3rd/4th big now, and I don't think his value is much higher than that around the league. I haven't heard anything about teams chasing Danny around trying to get BBD.

I would include him in a deal for someone who is clearly better (Jefferson, Lee, for example) but maybe not in one for a Marvin Williams, or Rudy Fernandez deal.

Re: Why do people want to trade Baby so much?
« Reply #34 on: July 14, 2010, 10:54:02 AM »

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1. The eye for talent on blogs isn't very high.  And sometimes personal preference trumps being correct.  That was evident when anyone thought Powe was better.. They aren't very close and never were.  And I liked what Powe brought.  After being proven wrong some of those that thought Baby was the lesser talented player wouldn't admit being wrong and so they include him in every trade as way to cover up being wrong.  I don't see the big deal in admitting to being wrong it shows character.

2. Some see his talent and think by including him a deal we might be able to get better.  Some of these trades don't really makes sense but, you have to take my first sentence into consideration when debating a trade idea.  If you hear he gets his shot blocked a lot assume the worst.



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Re: Why do people want to trade Baby so much?
« Reply #35 on: July 14, 2010, 11:15:26 AM »

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If Battier,Fernandez/Przybilla or even Tayshaun match up for Sheed & Baby's contract,you have to make that trade.
No, you don't, since Glen Davis is better than all of the players you listed at this stage of their careers.
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Re: Why do people want to trade Baby so much?
« Reply #36 on: July 14, 2010, 12:54:07 PM »

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1. The eye for talent on blogs isn't very high.  And sometimes personal preference trumps being correct.  That was evident when anyone thought Powe was better.. They aren't very close and never were.  And I liked what Powe brought.  After being proven wrong some of those that thought Baby was the lesser talented player wouldn't admit being wrong and so they include him in every trade as way to cover up being wrong.  I don't see the big deal in admitting to being wrong it shows character.

2. Some see his talent and think by including him a deal we might be able to get better.  Some of these trades don't really makes sense but, you have to take my first sentence into consideration when debating a trade idea.  If you hear he gets his shot blocked a lot assume the worst.





And when Shelden came on board there were people saying he's better.  There are already people suggesting that Harangody will take some of his minutes. They just won't give up.  lol
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Re: Why do people want to trade Baby so much?
« Reply #37 on: July 15, 2010, 06:12:35 AM »

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I use to be a fan of Baby's, & wondered why he was 4th on the depth chart. When Scalabrine went down to injury,like KG & Powe, BBD started down the stretch. I watch the team struggle on both sides of the ball. It didn't take me long to keep my eye on the player KG offended to tears earlier in the year. He was the difference, #1 margin of victory,top defense,top seed all suffered with him in there. It was obvious something was different in TEAM play. Sound familiar,like game 7 maybe. Go ahead,blame the coach & other 4 guys who helped build that lead, they were fine before he stepped on the court. As long as he's here,half of Celtic fans can't wait to discover any candidates who deserve his minutes(Luke is leading in the Polls). HE IS NOT NEEDED! More minutes=more game 7 losses, 2 & counting. Hype him up, he will simply p--- all over your loyalty to him.
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Re: Why do people want to trade Baby so much?
« Reply #38 on: July 15, 2010, 08:03:34 AM »

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1. The eye for talent on blogs isn't very high.  And sometimes personal preference trumps being correct.  That was evident when anyone thought Powe was better.. They aren't very close and never were.  And I liked what Powe brought.  After being proven wrong some of those that thought Baby was the lesser talented player wouldn't admit being wrong and so they include him in every trade as way to cover up being wrong.  I don't see the big deal in admitting to being wrong it shows character.

2. Some see his talent and think by including him a deal we might be able to get better.  Some of these trades don't really makes sense but, you have to take my first sentence into consideration when debating a trade idea.  If you hear he gets his shot blocked a lot assume the worst.


I would agree that an eye for talent is typically not exceptionally high on blogs, I think this particular blog has a pretty good head on its shoulder. 

And to claim after the fact the you were right all along is not telling the whole story.  Back then Powe was better, and the big difference right now is INJURY.  Powe gave us great value in that championship series, and had he not gotten injured, I would contend that he'd still be better than Davis today.  What did we need most in this past finals series?  Rebounding!  And a healthy Powe would have helped dramatically in game 7, especially.

Davis is better than Powe now in large part b/c Powe got injured (in our championship series), so how does that make everyone here wrong?  I can gladly admit that he is better right now, and I have nothing to cover up.  I include him in trades b/c I think it'll make the team better, not b/c I am stubborn. 

And as far as expert talent evaluators (i.e. GM's in the league), they never have been clamoring to get Glen Davis on their team, so I guess that makes them wrong too huh?


Re: Why do people want to trade Baby so much?
« Reply #39 on: July 15, 2010, 08:34:43 AM »

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1. The eye for talent on blogs isn't very high.  And sometimes personal preference trumps being correct.  That was evident when anyone thought Powe was better.. They aren't very close and never were.  And I liked what Powe brought.  After being proven wrong some of those that thought Baby was the lesser talented player wouldn't admit being wrong and so they include him in every trade as way to cover up being wrong.  I don't see the big deal in admitting to being wrong it shows character.

2. Some see his talent and think by including him a deal we might be able to get better.  Some of these trades don't really makes sense but, you have to take my first sentence into consideration when debating a trade idea.  If you hear he gets his shot blocked a lot assume the worst.


I would agree that an eye for talent is typically not exceptionally high on blogs, I think this particular blog has a pretty good head on its shoulder. 

And to claim after the fact the you were right all along is not telling the whole story.  Back then Powe was better, and the big difference right now is INJURY.  Powe gave us great value in that championship series, and had he not gotten injured, I would contend that he'd still be better than Davis today.  What did we need most in this past finals series?  Rebounding!  And a healthy Powe would have helped dramatically in game 7, especially.

Davis is better than Powe now in large part b/c Powe got injured (in our championship series), so how does that make everyone here wrong?  I can gladly admit that he is better right now, and I have nothing to cover up.  I include him in trades b/c I think it'll make the team better, not b/c I am stubborn. 

And as far as expert talent evaluators (i.e. GM's in the league), they never have been clamoring to get Glen Davis on their team, so I guess that makes them wrong too huh?



There were several teams after Big Baby last season, namely Detroit, they just didn't weren't willing to pay more than what the Celtics offered, so he re-signed with us.
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Re: Why do people want to trade Baby so much?
« Reply #40 on: July 15, 2010, 09:00:53 AM »

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He gets suggested in trades because:

1. He's a role player on this team
2. His salary is big enough with Rasheed's to bring back talent
3. His value is presumed to be somewhat high now (since he signed a low deal and just played really well in the playoffs)
4. Regardless of that, he's still a flawed player - someone you could improve and make the team better or bring in depth at PF and replace

Re: Why do people want to trade Baby so much?
« Reply #41 on: July 15, 2010, 09:04:34 AM »

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1. The eye for talent on blogs isn't very high.  And sometimes personal preference trumps being correct.  That was evident when anyone thought Powe was better.. They aren't very close and never were.  And I liked what Powe brought.  After being proven wrong some of those that thought Baby was the lesser talented player wouldn't admit being wrong and so they include him in every trade as way to cover up being wrong.  I don't see the big deal in admitting to being wrong it shows character.

2. Some see his talent and think by including him a deal we might be able to get better.  Some of these trades don't really makes sense but, you have to take my first sentence into consideration when debating a trade idea.  If you hear he gets his shot blocked a lot assume the worst.




Actually Powe was the vastly superior player. BBD has never played at as high of a level as Powe. However Powe was seen (correctly) as an injury risk - which lessened his value. Then again BBD was seen as immature, and you'll notice from his swath of missed games at the start of the season, that it was an accurate assessment also. That's why he couldn't get money from any other team last off season.

Re: Why do people want to trade Baby so much?
« Reply #42 on: July 15, 2010, 09:26:27 AM »

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BBD has never played at as high of a level as Powe.
Except in the NBA, where Powe is strictly a bench player due to the fact that he's undersized and not a particularly good defender, and Davis is a fringe starter.
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Re: Why do people want to trade Baby so much?
« Reply #43 on: July 15, 2010, 09:35:24 AM »

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1. The eye for talent on blogs isn't very high.  And sometimes personal preference trumps being correct.  That was evident when anyone thought Powe was better.. They aren't very close and never were. 

This statement is so condescending...  I'll just keep my mouth shut before I get myself in trouble.

Is Big Game Davis a better player, overall, than Powe?  Sure, today.

How much of a difference, though, Big Game Davis versus pre-injury Powe?

Powe was a *much* better rebounder.  Davis, he gets some offensive boards but overall isn't a great rebounder.  Powe grabbed a lot of offensive boards in his time, too.

Powe was a *much* better finisher inside.  Davis' struggles getting his shot blocked at *not*, in fact, myth.  Davis has a much better outside jumper, although it's not necessarily a strength of his game.

Powe gets to the free throw line a *lot*, his first couple seasons in the league and he's drawing fouls like he's Paul Pierce.

Powe's a very mature guy.  Davis...  a bit less so.

Powe's a HORRIBLE defensive player, even before he got hurt.  Davis is a pretty good defensive player, although he'll never be great just due to his lack of size (were he 6'10", he's be one of the better defensive players at the 5, but that's neither here nor there, he ain't getting any taller).

Both guys have stepped up their games when the lights shone the brightest.  For all of Davis' accolades in the playoffs, let's not forget how Powe helped us win in '08.

So, is Davis the better player?  Today, yes.  Before Powe's last injury?  Maybe.  Different players, different skillsets, I'm not convinced that you can clearly say one is head and shoulders better than the other.

You want a guy to rebound?  Pick Powe.

You want a guy to play D?  Pick Davis.

You want a guy to finish inside and get the other team in foul trouble?  Pick Powe.

You want a guy to hit an elbow jumper?  Pick Davis.

With the injury, you'd clearly take Davis.  To me, that's really the only thing that skews it towards Davis, otherwise it looks more-or-less like a wash to me.

Re: Why do people want to trade Baby so much?
« Reply #44 on: July 15, 2010, 09:37:40 AM »

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1. The eye for talent on blogs isn't very high.  And sometimes personal preference trumps being correct.  That was evident when anyone thought Powe was better.. They aren't very close and never were.  And I liked what Powe brought.  After being proven wrong some of those that thought Baby was the lesser talented player wouldn't admit being wrong and so they include him in every trade as way to cover up being wrong.  I don't see the big deal in admitting to being wrong it shows character.

2. Some see his talent and think by including him a deal we might be able to get better.  Some of these trades don't really makes sense but, you have to take my first sentence into consideration when debating a trade idea.  If you hear he gets his shot blocked a lot assume the worst.




Actually Powe was the vastly superior player. BBD has never played at as high of a level as Powe. However Powe was seen (correctly) as an injury risk - which lessened his value. Then again BBD was seen as immature, and you'll notice from his swath of missed games at the start of the season, that it was an accurate assessment also. That's why he couldn't get money from any other team last off season.


Powe was vastly superior? LOL  That's why whenever there was a need for an impact player in a big game, Doc picked Baby over Powe, even when Baby was a rookie, and Baby delivered.
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