Who Else Do We Re-sign?

[billysan]

With the league starting to take shape after the Miami signing of the new Big Three, things should start falling into place on our roster soon. We have three players yet to consider resigning: Scalabrine, Williams and Robinson. I will add Eddie House to the mix, but I am not sure he is really under consideration.

Scalabrine and Williams both should be available for the Veterans minimum and will gladly man the end of the bench. They both are under achievers, but know our system and we know what to expect. Max effort for short minutes with low expectations.

Robinson will want more, probably a 2-3 year at what he was making is the minimum he will accept. Eddie will likely play for the minimum if he is really intersted in returning.

Not expecting them to be rotation level players unless we are  desparate, but number 11-14 guys for the bench. If we have a slot for one of each or have a need at big and guard, which do we keep? Do we really fill these slots with rookies at half the price like Gaffney/Sims, Harangody/Erden and Lafayette/Janning?

I think maybe one of each, House and Janning as guards with Scalabrine and Erden as bigs. Maybe Sims to the D league or Harangody. This is gonna be a crazy training camp IMO.

[wdleehi]

Scali for the vet min.  Why wait? 

[Jon]

I don't want to totally crap on Nate Robinson, because I wouldn't mind him back, but I'm not so sure that he's going to get this 2-3 year contract people think he's going to get, and if he does, I'm not sure he can even get as much money as Tony Allen.  

What has he really proven in his career?  He's proven that he can score a bunch of points and put up some highlight film on crappy teams.  And while I loved a couple of his performances in the playoffs, he did nothing in the Miami and Cleveland series, and really only had 1 great game against Orlando and one great game against LA.  

Has he really proven that he's now "a winner" because of that.  Plus, his market is very limited given his size.  

That said, I'd bring him back at reasonable money (2-3 million a year at less that 2 years).  

I'd also be interested in Marquis Daniels.  He was repetitive with TA, but with him gone, he's not now.  Plus, I'm not sure he wowed anyone enough sitting on the bench the second half of last year to get any big contract offers.  He might take the max raise on the LLE for one more year.  

Also, if push came to shove, I wouldn't hate Shelden as the 5th big.  Though I'd wait to see if we could do better. 

[Who]

Might be worth overpaying Nate Robinson on a one year deal until Avery Bradley proves himself.

Then let Bradley take over the following year should he prove worthy.

[wdleehi]

Might be worth overpaying Nate Robinson on a one year deal until Avery Bradley proves himself.

Then let Bradley take over the following year should he prove worthy.

I wouldn't.  There is a ceiling the Ainge can spend.  I would hate to see them not get someone later down the road this season because they overpayed Nate, a 10 minute a game player on the Celtics.

[Jon]

Might be worth overpaying Nate Robinson on a one year deal until Avery Bradley proves himself.

Then let Bradley take over the following year should he prove worthy.

I wouldn't.  There is a ceiling the Ainge can spend.  I would hate to see them not get someone later down the road this season because they overpayed Nate, a 10 minute a game player on the Celtics.

I tend to agree.  We've gotten by with Ray and Paul bringing the ball up the court with Eddie House.  I don't see why Avery Bradley can't play 10 mpg and, if nothing else, play tough defense on the opposing 1. 

I'd still like Nate, but I don't know if we need to overpay for him. 

[billysan]

I don't want to totally crap on Nate Robinson, because I wouldn't mind him back, but I'm not so sure that he's going to get this 2-3 year contract people think he's going to get, and if he does, I'm not sure he can even get as much money as Tony Allen. 

What has he really proven in his career?  He's proven that he can score a bunch of points and put up some highlight film on crappy teams.  And while I loved a couple of his performances in the playoffs, he did nothing in the Miami and Cleveland series, and really only had 1 great game against Orlando and one great game against LA. 

Has he really proven that he's now "a winner" because of that.  Plus, his market is very limited given his size. 

That said, I'd bring him back at reasonable money (2-3 million a year at less that 2 years). 

I'd also be interested in Marquis Daniels.  He was repetitive with TA, but with him gone, he's not now.  Plus, I'm not sure he wowed anyone enough sitting on the bench the second half of last year to get any big contract offers.  He might take the max raise on the LLE for one more year. 

Also, if push came to shove, I wouldn't hate Shelden as the 5th big.  Though I'd wait to see if we could do better. 

Good point about Nate's value. I am not convinced anyone will 'pay' him either. I know he had dollar signs in his eyes when he was with the Knicks. Hope he has a reality check. He is a decent short minutes bench talent, potentially.

Completely agree about Williams, I would like to get someone longer if possible. I just hate to see us sign another 6'9" guy that is slow and undersized at center, ala Brian Skinner for example. I would be thrilled if we can cajole Kurt Thomas for the minimum though.


Forgot about Daniels, TP. He would be cheap suitable Tony Allen replacement if nothing else materializes. I am not sure of his 'status' as of the season's end. Was he in the doghouse or just a victim of the shortened rotation?

[hpantazo]

Scali for the vet min.  Why wait? 

If we end up with 13 or 14 guys by the end of august sure, bring Scal back for the vet min. Until then, I would wait and see who else ends up being available once spending slows down, money runs out, and guys are still looking for contracts.

[billysan]

Scali for the vet min.  Why wait? 

If we end up with 13 or 14 guys by the end of august sure, bring Scal back for the vet min. Until then, I would wait and see who else ends up being available once spending slows down, money runs out, and guys are still looking for contracts.

I think it is a sure bet we dont have more than 13-14 players on the roster even less (12) with guaranteed contracts coming out of training camp for the reason you just illustrated. Danny will be looking at any and all available talent as will most GM's. We should have a little leverage with our past three years performance and organizations reputation.

My desire is to improve the length, team speed and get younger on at least half of the roster spots from 10-14. I think this is necessary looking toward the future and we can do it without loading the roster with Lafayette/Gaffney type players like at the end of last season.

[Cman]

Might be worth overpaying Nate Robinson on a one year deal until Avery Bradley proves himself.

Then let Bradley take over the following year should he prove worthy.

I like the idea of bringing Nate back; it would be for no more than 2 years, though.  Whoever else the Cs sign/resign, it will be for max two years, so that cap space can be preserved.  Danny has been pretty careful about this (which is why TA is now in Memphis). 

I think a 2 year $7M deal is fair, given the current market.

[billysan]

So far we have lost Tony Allen and Shelden Williams. Rumor is that Brian Scalabrine and Nate Robinson are in 'talks' with the Celtics about coming back. That leaves Marquis Daniels who is looking better and better as a wing backup. I think the Sheed era is over now that we have JO.

Our roster is now:

Pierce
Ray
KG
Rondo
JO
 
Perk-injured
Big Baby
Bradley

Lafayette-Non guaranteed
Gaffney-Non guaranteed
Erden-Non guaranteed

With Maybe

Brian Scalabrine
Nate Robinson
Luke Harangody

I am not sure who the camp invitees are, but I think I heard Parkhowski, the Janning kid and Sims kid's name during summer league broadcast. Seems like we are missing something(s).

Who have I missed?

I dont feel so well...

[SCBirdman]

Might be worth overpaying Nate Robinson on a one year deal until Avery Bradley proves himself.

Then let Bradley take over the following year should he prove worthy.

I wouldn't.  There is a ceiling the Ainge can spend.  I would hate to see them not get someone later down the road this season because they overpayed Nate, a 10 minute a game player on the Celtics.

I really do agree with you, but this team needs Nate. He provides energy, scoring and 3 point shooting off the bench. He can get his own shot, something House could not do. Nate is a capable PG, something that was lacking when House was running the point with the 2nd unit.

[More Banners]

I would give Nate the $3 million per year, but only for 2 years.  Perhaps if I was feeling spendy, I'd throw a championship bonus on top of that, all-star, whatever.  I think he'd help us more than the next guy.  Honestly, I really like the way he looked with us in those playoff games, but running some nice plays initiating the S/R and then hitting some big 3's.  I don't think I ever saw him walk the ball up the court, which is a key.  So I might overpay, but only for 2 years, but given his youth and health, if the price was right, I'd go longer: one way or the other, overpay/few years, underpay/long years.  Whew...

Quisy:  Also better than the other options, though not reliable due to health.  This was probably the least productive year he's had, and he needs to redeem himself with a 2-year contract.  If we're really going all-in for the next two years, we need to keep him, even if we don't need him.

Scal:  I'd even give him LLE-level money for loyalty (above the minimum).  He does what he's asked to do, and learns quickly, making him adaptable.  Won't Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline., no matter how it shakes out.  Part of recent winning culture, keep him for cultural continuity?  Ahem....

Perk:  He's taken security over a payday before.  Healthy, he's an $8 million/yr man.  If he comes back as backup material-only, he's a $2-6 million/yr man.  Gamble on his recovery, and offer him an extension starting at $4 million?

Perk:  The other option is to trade him, since he probably won't be 100% next year, and his effectiveness and minutes-availability is questionable even into the playoffs, as recover usually is a yearish with his stuff.  He'll be a FA, too.  Maybe some other team will be interested to have Bird rights when his rehab is done and he becomes a FA?  Combine his contract with Sheed's, and we could perhaps return one or more higher-caliber pieces.

[Surferdad]

Might be worth overpaying Nate Robinson on a one year deal until Avery Bradley proves himself.

Then let Bradley take over the following year should he prove worthy.

I like the idea of bringing Nate back; it would be for no more than 2 years, though.  Whoever else the Cs sign/resign, it will be for max two years, so that cap space can be preserved.  Danny has been pretty careful about this (which is why TA is now in Memphis). 

I think a 2 year $7M deal is fair, given the current market.

It's not clear to me what they can offer Nate.  Do we have his Bird rights after only one season?  In general, I agree that signing Nate as the backup PG is probably a good move at this point.  I don't think Avery will be ready for that role.

[slamtheking]

Nate and Quisy are about the only ones worth considering at this point but primarily due to the C's lack of other viable options. 

They won't get a backup point with Nate's energy and shooting skills for the vet min.  Quisy is better than any vet min options available as the back up at SF.  I'm not sure he'd even consider coming back after last year's debacle. 

I have no interest in Scal for any price.  waited 5 years for him to be shipped out for something better.  Would much rather have Kurt Thomas for the min as someone more productive.