Tony To sign with Grizz?

[RJ87]

Can we sign and trade TA for Ronnie Brewer? Right now that would look like a coupe!

I like Brewer. He can defend Kobe and LeGone. He is bigger, has a higher basketabll IQ and he is younger. He is also a better offensive player than TA, but not a 3 point shooter.

It def would be a good move, but I haven't heard any rumblings of a sign and trade at all.

[nickagneta]

Some absolute off the hook, ridiculous stuff being said in this thread. I won't get into the specifics as to not insult people but some people here need to get a grip.

The free agency period isn't even officially a week old yet and yet Tony Allen is irreplaceable?

How about Raja Bell, Ime Udoka, Antoine Wright, Keith Bogans, Rodney Carney, Trenton Hassell. There are guys out there that are above average to great defenders that will be available to the Celtics. Some of them can even do something besides play defense.

And with Rasheed's contract and a couple of non guaranteed contracts Ainge still has the ability to bring in quality wings. Much better than Tony Allen.

Relax people. It's only the second week of July. Training camp isn't until October

[GreenEnvy]

Can we sign and trade TA for Ronnie Brewer? Right now that would look like a coupe!

I like Brewer. He can defend Kobe and LeGone. He is bigger, has a higher basketabll IQ and he is younger. He is also a better offensive player than TA, but not a 3 point shooter.

That would be very nice.

Don't see what's in it for the Grizz though...they aren't over the cap are they? I guess with Rudy's new contract they actually are. So does that mean they now get an MLE? Never understood how that worked exactly. When do the cap holds/new salaries determine if they get an MLE/LLE or not?

Either way, unless they are using a pierce of the MLE to get TA, and they want to keep that to sign another player, I don't get why they want to help Boston out.

Second-round pick from Boston? Cash considerations?

[jr_3421]

The concern for me is that we only have the vet min with a chance to contend to offer. Miami has the vet min, a chance to contend, a chance to be part of something never been done in sports and...Miami.

[RJ87]

The concern for me is that we only have the vet min with a chance to contend to offer. Miami has the vet min, a chance to contend, a chance to be part of something never been done in sports and...Miami.

And don't forget no state income tax, so players pocket more of their salary... In other words, why wouldn't a vet go to Miami?

[Jon]

I'd start by bringing back Marquis Daniels.  Offer him a the max raise on his contract last year with a player option for the max raise on that the year after.  If Tony Allen only gets a little over 3 million per year and did what he did in the playoffs, I'm not sure Marquis Daniels can do better than the raise on last year's salary.  

That takes care of a TA replacement, which will give us more flexibility in waiting on trades and players to slip through the cracks.  

[jr_3421]

The concern for me is that we only have the vet min with a chance to contend to offer. Miami has the vet min, a chance to contend, a chance to be part of something never been done in sports and...Miami.

And don't forget no state income tax, so players pocket more of their salary... In other words, why wouldn't a vet go to Miami?

Yeah it's sad that even with their three contracts, we still can't offer as much money as Miami.

[lon3lytoaster]

Can we sign and trade TA for Ronnie Brewer? Right now that would look like a coupe!

I like Brewer. He can defend Kobe and LeGone. He is bigger, has a higher basketabll IQ and he is younger. He is also a better offensive player than TA, but not a 3 point shooter.

That would be very nice.

Don't see what's in it for the Grizz though...they aren't over the cap are they? I guess with Rudy's new contract they actually are. So does that mean they now get an MLE? Never understood how that worked exactly. When do the cap holds/new salaries determine if they get an MLE/LLE or not?

Either way, unless they are using a pierce of the MLE to get TA, and they want to keep that to sign another player, I don't get why they want to help Boston out.

Second-round pick from Boston? Cash considerations?

I don't think Memphis had an MLE because they were just a tad under the cap. So I don't think a sign and trade swap is likely, either.

[LooseCannon]

I don't think Memphis had an MLE because they were just a tad under the cap. So I don't think a sign and trade swap is likely, either.

Memphis would still have the MLE if they began the season under the cap by less than the MLE.  There is basically a cap hold of sorts for the MLE.  (The compete answer requires an unnecessary accounting for all of the exceptions the team possesses.)

[GreenEnvy]

I don't think Memphis had an MLE because they were just a tad under the cap. So I don't think a sign and trade swap is likely, either.

Memphis would still have the MLE if they began the season under the cap by less than the MLE.  There is basically a cap hold of sorts for the MLE.  (The compete answer requires an unnecessary accounting for all of the exceptions the team possesses.)

Is there a certain date they use to determine who is under the cap and who is over it? Like July 1st, 8th, or 14th.

But still, what if the cap hold that puts you over the cap they hold against you, you get the MLE, then don't sign the cap hold player, but now you go over the cap with a new FA? I'm assuming you only get the MLE once you resign or renounce your own players?

Either way, I don't see why Memphis does a S&T, but I also don't see why the C's didn't match lol

[thedawg]

In my opinion, good riddance. I have never really rated him and we can do better. The guy cant shoot which is the reason why he isnt being played that often. He can defend but you need more than tat in basketball although that is a good start.

[wiley]

I hope Tony does well in Memphis.  I always like players who play hard.  That's sort of my number 1. criteria for whether I root hard for a Celtic player or just generally support the player because he's on the Celtics.  If a player plays his butt off, especially on the defensive end, I will always root for him, whether he plays for the Celtics, the D-League, Europe, wherever.  And if he's well-liked by his teammates and coach and people around the team, then I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for most off-the-court issues.  Tony's effort showed up not just in his defense but also in stealing the ball at a rate second only to Rondo in the league.  

As far as offense, he's not a zero like some are saying.  TO's and no outside shot are the issues, but he did have success getting to the bucket, filling the lane on fast-breaks, second chance buckets, etc....Keep in mind there many players who don't even offer this.  I don't see why he won't average 8-14 points per game if given minutes, more if he can limit the mistakes on offense (therefore getting more minutes).  I agree he's a roller coaster on offense.  I didn't love it but it was always off the bench and to me he was almost always a net positive when healthy.   Regardless of his worth in dollars (smart move financially or not), I'll miss him.

I'm hoping Avery B. will get plenty of minutes at the 2 and provide some defense there despite his small stature.   Agree his addition could have played a part in not resigning Tony.  I hope whoever we get for backup 3 can replace some of Tony's energy and enthusiam along with his hoped-for defense and outside shot......

[SalmonAndMashedPotatoes]

Some absolute off the hook, ridiculous stuff being said in this thread. I won't get into the specifics as to not insult people but some people here need to get a grip.

The free agency period isn't even officially a week old yet and yet Tony Allen is irreplaceable?

How about Raja Bell, Ime Udoka, Antoine Wright, Keith Bogans, Rodney Carney, Trenton Hassell. There are guys out there that are above average to great defenders that will be available to the Celtics. Some of them can even do something besides play defense.

You should get a grip, too, Nick.  None of those guys mentioned above could come close to providing the type of defense TA provided in our 2010 run.  Bell and Hassell *once* had that ability, but now they're too old.  The rest of that crew never had the skill, speed, or strength to physically compete at TA's level, even in their primes.

The level of panic in this thread is justified because the Heat just brought together 2 of the best 3 perimeter players in the entire league, while we lost one of the best, if not the best, perimeter defender in the entire league in the same offseason.  That's bad.  This team is predicated on defense and coupled with Perk's injury and Thibs departure, TA's loss is a real blow to our chances...

TA's defense was instrumental throughout the 2010 playoff run, especially in Game 1 against DWade and the Heat.  He entered that game in the middle of the 3rd quarter with the Cs at a 14 point disadvantage and used his defense to turn the game around in what was possibly the defining moment of the series and the entire Cs playoff run, holding Wade scoreless for the next 12 minutes of game time.  If TA doesn't come off that bench, put that level of defense on Wade, the entire series might have turned, and with it the ultimate fate of this team. 

Yet you think that replaceable?  Maybe if this team wasn't filled with aging players at 4 of 5 starting spots and had at least one other proven wing defender on their bench.  For a team predicated on defense and a team almost completely devoid of super athleticism, it's an absolute back-breaker to lose a great defender and athlete like Tony Allen.  We've been athletically deficient on this team for 3 years now and it's getting worse...

Sure, we can use Sheed's contract to put someone else in Tony's spot.  But that doesn't change the fact that we let a proven playoff asset walk away for NOTHING and did it at a time when we have very few assets left to improve this team before training camp.  We might strike gold with a minimal level signing, but after letting TA get away for nothing we're going to have to hope we do since that's about the only way we can recoup from this.   

[Andy Jick]

No tears on my end.  Appreciate what Tony did here, but I won't miss him for one second.

[Who]

Some absolute off the hook, ridiculous stuff being said in this thread. I won't get into the specifics as to not insult people but some people here need to get a grip.

The free agency period isn't even officially a week old yet and yet Tony Allen is irreplaceable?

How about Raja Bell, Ime Udoka, Antoine Wright, Keith Bogans, Rodney Carney, Trenton Hassell. There are guys out there that are above average to great defenders that will be available to the Celtics. Some of them can even do something besides play defense.

Rodney Carney is an interesting name on that list. Probably the best defender of the lot + still has some potential to improve on that side of the ball.