Ok now, what are some ways we can use sheed's contract ?

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Rasheed and a first rounder to Washington for Mike Miller in a sign and trade.

Rasheed and a first rounder to Atlanta for Marvin Williams.

Rasheed and a 2nd round pick to Houston for Shane Battier.

Rasheed and a signed and traded Nate Robinson to Sacramento for Francisco Garcia and Jason Thompson

Amen -- we've talked about each of these in various threads and each would make some sense (tho good luck with that SAC trade! ...but I'd be open to Garcia).

[Rondo2287]

Rasheed and a first rounder to Washington for Mike Miller in a sign and trade.

Rasheed and a first rounder to Atlanta for Marvin Williams.

Rasheed and a 2nd round pick to Houston for Shane Battier.

Rasheed and a signed and traded Nate Robinson to Sacramento for Francisco Garcia and Jason Thompson

Amen -- we've talked about each of these in various threads and each would make some sense (tho good luck with that SAC trade! ...but I'd be open to Garcia).

I would love Battier on this team.  Good all around player, great defender.  Can hit the three point shot. 

[Jon]

Rasheed and a first rounder to Washington for Mike Miller in a sign and trade.

Rasheed and a first rounder to Atlanta for Marvin Williams.

Rasheed and a 2nd round pick to Houston for Shane Battier.

Rasheed and a signed and traded Nate Robinson to Sacramento for Francisco Garcia and Jason Thompson

Marvin Williams is probably the most realistic.  I don't think that Houston is ready to throw in the towel yet and I don't think a mid-to-late first round pick is enough to entice Washington to sign and trade Mike Miller to us.  Some teams view first rounders as a financial burden. 

[Birdbrain]

Sheed and something else for Mike Dunleavy Jr.  He can play the SF behind Pierce, brings shooting and basketball IQ to the bench.  Also he only has one year left on contract so we do not have to worry about long term contract. 

Very interesting.  We need a SF who can score much more than another big man not getting vet min.

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Rasheed and a first rounder to Washington for Mike Miller in a sign and trade.

Rasheed and a first rounder to Atlanta for Marvin Williams.

Rasheed and a 2nd round pick to Houston for Shane Battier.

Rasheed and a signed and traded Nate Robinson to Sacramento for Francisco Garcia and Jason Thompson

Marvin Williams is probably the most realistic.  I don't think that Houston is ready to throw in the towel yet and I don't think a mid-to-late first round pick is enough to entice Washington to sign and trade Mike Miller to us.  Some teams view first rounders as a financial burden. 

As I've said before, why wouldn't WAS take a pick -- any pick -- and cash to s&t Miller to Boston? They are rebuilding through picks and financial responsibility -- they've stated as much. They'll take assets for free.

[Jon]

Rasheed and a first rounder to Washington for Mike Miller in a sign and trade.

Rasheed and a first rounder to Atlanta for Marvin Williams.

Rasheed and a 2nd round pick to Houston for Shane Battier.

Rasheed and a signed and traded Nate Robinson to Sacramento for Francisco Garcia and Jason Thompson

Marvin Williams is probably the most realistic.  I don't think that Houston is ready to throw in the towel yet and I don't think a mid-to-late first round pick is enough to entice Washington to sign and trade Mike Miller to us.  Some teams view first rounders as a financial burden. 

As I've said before, why wouldn't WAS take a pick -- any pick -- and cash to s&t Miller to Boston? They are rebuilding through picks and financial responsibility -- they've stated as much. They'll take assets for free.

How much of an asset is a first round pick from the Celtics that should be in the 20-25 range? 

I'd think they'd rather hold out for more, and they could probably get it. 

And then Mike Miller would have to want to come here, which I'm not so sure he'd want to do when he could be a starter on other teams. 

[Cman]

I think Sheed's contract would be best served moving to Golden State. We could take a contract like Turiaf off their hands if they throw in Morrow.
Or we could do Sheed and Gaffney for Biedrins.

I'd like the Sheed for Turiaf/Morrow deal.  But PLEASE, don't bring us Biedrins.  He's injury prone, not a very good defender and he makes Rondo look like Ray at the line. 

Sheed's deal is only 6.3mil -- don't think we're going to be getting biedrins with others from GSW.

A number of posters are ruling out FAs, but shouldn't -- they can be s&t'd, and for MORE than the MLE which is relevant when considering competitors.

Examples:

Mike Miller
Josh Howard
Richard Jefferson (no chance, really)
Josh Childress
Anthony Morrow
Rasual Butler and / or other Clippers

TP.  And thanks for including Morrow in that list.  He gets mentioned with Turiaf a lot, but for that to work in exchange for Sheed's contract, Morrow would have to agree to play for ~$3.5M a year, which is way below his market value (considering that Outlaw is getting about twice that).

I really like the Josh Howard idea.

[Kane3387]

Wish there was a way we could get in on an Ellis trade. I would be a bit surprised if he lasted the entire season in Golden State. That's Stephen Curry's team now and him and Monta are too redundant. That's a big contract to have on a rebuilding team.

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Rasheed and a first rounder to Washington for Mike Miller in a sign and trade.

Rasheed and a first rounder to Atlanta for Marvin Williams.

Rasheed and a 2nd round pick to Houston for Shane Battier.

Rasheed and a signed and traded Nate Robinson to Sacramento for Francisco Garcia and Jason Thompson

Marvin Williams is probably the most realistic.  I don't think that Houston is ready to throw in the towel yet and I don't think a mid-to-late first round pick is enough to entice Washington to sign and trade Mike Miller to us.  Some teams view first rounders as a financial burden. 

As I've said before, why wouldn't WAS take a pick -- any pick -- and cash to s&t Miller to Boston? They are rebuilding through picks and financial responsibility -- they've stated as much. They'll take assets for free.

How much of an asset is a first round pick from the Celtics that should be in the 20-25 range? 

I'd think they'd rather hold out for more, and they could probably get it. 

And then Mike Miller would have to want to come here, which I'm not so sure he'd want to do when he could be a starter on other teams. 

How much more are they going to get in a sign and trade for Miller where they DON'T have to take back a player that they'll have to pay this year? Well -- nothing, because no one else has that to offer.

Again -- they'd get a first round pick, or a second round pick, or cash, or some combination of the aforementioned... for FREE. they don't want players right now, they want to lose and build picks ala OKC.

[Surferdad]

Wish there was a way we could get in on an Ellis trade. I would be a bit surprised if he lasted the entire season in Golden State. That's Stephen Curry's team now and him and Monta are too redundant. That's a big contract to have on a rebuilding team.

Remember the comparisons onyl a few years ago between Ellis and Rondo?  Many thought Ellis was better, but clearly Rondo has left him in the dust.

Not a big fan of Garcia.

Would love Rasual Butler and of course Battier or M. Williams.

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I think Sheed's contract would be best served moving to Golden State. We could take a contract like Turiaf off their hands if they throw in Morrow.
Or we could do Sheed and Gaffney for Biedrins.

I'd like the Sheed for Turiaf/Morrow deal.  But PLEASE, don't bring us Biedrins.  He's injury prone, not a very good defender and he makes Rondo look like Ray at the line. 

Sheed's deal is only 6.3mil -- don't think we're going to be getting biedrins with others from GSW.

A number of posters are ruling out FAs, but shouldn't -- they can be s&t'd, and for MORE than the MLE which is relevant when considering competitors.

Examples:

Mike Miller
Josh Howard
Richard Jefferson (no chance, really)
Josh Childress
Anthony Morrow
Rasual Butler and / or other Clippers

TP.  And thanks for including Morrow in that list.  He gets mentioned with Turiaf a lot, but for that to work in exchange for Sheed's contract, Morrow would have to agree to play for ~$3.5M a year, which is way below his market value (considering that Outlaw is getting about twice that).

I really like the Josh Howard idea.

me too -- but the prob with Howard is he's going to be gimpy for the first half of the year when you'd like to keep PP and Ray's minutes down.

Now that GSW is trading Azubuke to New York, i think you'll see them keep Morrow. But I'd have no prob with him at 5mil per year.

[nickagneta]

I put Battier in there because Houston is kind of stacked at the wing position as it ius with Kevin Martin, Trevor Ariza and Chase Budinger(who they are very high on). Houston is rumored to be doing all sorts of stuff to add a back up center behind Yao but if they strike out, they might think about moving Battier's contract for some cap space and a pick.

This might seem nuts but a team that could be looking for all sorts of cap space before the end of the night could be Cleveland. If Lebron leaves the Cavs why not explore sending Wallace to Cleveland for Anthony Parker and Jamario Moon?

[Fan from VT]

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=39717.msg799843#msg799843

Here's a forum I started with deals based around Sheed's contract and possibly adding Baby or Perk to make the deals bigger. I hadn't looked at FA s&t's however.

but as to the above poster's question, we could get ellis for Sheed, Baby, Gaffney, Lafayette, if G.S. wanted.

[nickagneta]

Ellis is an awful fit for this team. He's a bad defender, a low efficiency scorer and tremendously undersized as a 2 guard. I would never consider giving up Baby and all that value cap space for Ellis.

[Jon]

Rasheed and a first rounder to Washington for Mike Miller in a sign and trade.

Rasheed and a first rounder to Atlanta for Marvin Williams.

Rasheed and a 2nd round pick to Houston for Shane Battier.

Rasheed and a signed and traded Nate Robinson to Sacramento for Francisco Garcia and Jason Thompson

Marvin Williams is probably the most realistic.  I don't think that Houston is ready to throw in the towel yet and I don't think a mid-to-late first round pick is enough to entice Washington to sign and trade Mike Miller to us.  Some teams view first rounders as a financial burden. 

As I've said before, why wouldn't WAS take a pick -- any pick -- and cash to s&t Miller to Boston? They are rebuilding through picks and financial responsibility -- they've stated as much. They'll take assets for free.

How much of an asset is a first round pick from the Celtics that should be in the 20-25 range? 

I'd think they'd rather hold out for more, and they could probably get it. 

And then Mike Miller would have to want to come here, which I'm not so sure he'd want to do when he could be a starter on other teams. 

How much more are they going to get in a sign and trade for Miller where they DON'T have to take back a player that they'll have to pay this year? Well -- nothing, because no one else has that to offer.

Again -- they'd get a first round pick, or a second round pick, or cash, or some combination of the aforementioned... for FREE. they don't want players right now, they want to lose and build picks ala OKC.

Maybe.  But there's been teams over the past couple of years trying to give away first round picks because teams don't want to spend the guaranteed money.  And I don't think they probably think it's worth their while for a second rounder. 

I hope you're right, but between that, and the fact that I don't think Mike Miller particularly wants to back up Ray and Paul when he could start elswhere, I don't see it happening.