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Re: nba.fanhouse.com: Celtics Not Afraid of Miami 'Superteam'
« Reply #15 on: July 08, 2010, 10:23:50 AM »

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We are the eastern conference champions and the road back to the NBA finals runs through Boston.

3 guys can't win a championship, you need a rotation of at least 8 to win in the playoffs.
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Re: nba.fanhouse.com: Celtics Not Afraid of Miami 'Superteam'
« Reply #16 on: July 08, 2010, 10:30:46 AM »

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I'm not afraid either.

All they've done so far is move from Wade and crap players to Wade, Bosh, and crap players.

Still far off from a good "team".

Re: nba.fanhouse.com: Celtics Not Afraid of Miami 'Superteam'
« Reply #17 on: July 08, 2010, 11:28:10 AM »

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You guys are absolute homers of the worst kind. If LBJ goes to Miami, that's a wrap. The fact is roleplayers don't win championships, superstars do. People were saying the SAME EXACT thing about us in 2008 as you guys are saying about the new Big 3 in Miami. "They won't win in the first year," "They don't have a strong enough bench," blah blah blah. Well, they proved all the naysayers wrong and established a new "Big 3" formula that looks to set the precedent for a new trend for winning championships in NBA.

Remember when everyone was in agreement that we had a 3 year window to get it done (except now suddenly every one is grasping at straws to add 1-2 more years to it)? If Game 7 wasn't enough to prove to you that window wasn't all but shut, nothing will.

Look, had KG remained healthy, this team would have easily 3peated. They almost won 2 championship in three years regardless! But the fact is if those three team up in Miami, Pat Riley is not going to have any problem filing out the roster with quality roleplayers willing to take a cut to play on the Dream Team 2.0 -- remember, rondo was just an unproven rookie and Perkins offense was even more non-existant when the Celts won back in 08.

Now, listen, I'm not jumping on the Heat bandwagon, there will be plenty of Miami/LBJ fans to power the Miami dynasty on that front. I'm a Cs fan for life, but I'm a logical human being first and something tells me I've seen how this movie ends before. It's not going to be pretty for the rest of the NBA.

Of course, if LBJ doesn't go to Miami, it's a whole different story. Lets hope he lets his ego/homesickness get the better of him, at least then we have a fighting chance. Otherwise, expect to see the passing of the torch come our showdown with the Heat in the ECF.
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Re: nba.fanhouse.com: Celtics Not Afraid of Miami 'Superteam'
« Reply #18 on: July 08, 2010, 11:36:16 AM »

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I think these moves made by Miami really highlight the need for Danny to resign TA.
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Re: nba.fanhouse.com: Celtics Not Afraid of Miami 'Superteam'
« Reply #19 on: July 08, 2010, 11:38:09 AM »

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Well, they'd sure be fun to root against
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Re: nba.fanhouse.com: Celtics Not Afraid of Miami 'Superteam'
« Reply #20 on: July 08, 2010, 11:40:56 AM »

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You guys are absolute homers of the worst kind. If LBJ goes to Miami, that's a wrap. The fact is roleplayers don't win championships, superstars do. People were saying the SAME EXACT thing about us in 2008 as you guys are saying about the new Big 3 in Miami. "They won't win in the first year," "They don't have a strong enough bench," blah blah blah. Well, they proved all the naysayers wrong and established a new "Big 3" formula that looks to set the precedent for a new trend for winning championships in NBA.

Of course that's what they said.  Nobody knew (including us) exactly how good a defensive player Perk was going to be.  Nobody knew (including us) how good Rondo was going to be.  

Who's their Perk?

Who's their Rondo?

The bench, Miami can figure that out.  Hell, maybe Shaq will come back on the cheap for one last chance to outdo Kobe.  They could bring in some gunners like Eddie House for not much coin.  

But, is Chalmers going to be as good for the Heat in 2011 as Rondo was for us in 2008?  And, they've got no one to play center right now (and the pickings are getting might, might, MIGHTY slim).

Re: nba.fanhouse.com: Celtics Not Afraid of Miami 'Superteam'
« Reply #21 on: July 08, 2010, 11:42:50 AM »

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Well, they'd sure be fun to root against

And it would make it easier for the Celtics come playoff time. Instead of having to go through each one separately, we could just knock them all out in one series saving our energy for the Lakers in the finals lol.
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Re: nba.fanhouse.com: Celtics Not Afraid of Miami 'Superteam'
« Reply #22 on: July 08, 2010, 11:52:25 AM »

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You guys are absolute homers of the worst kind. If LBJ goes to Miami, that's a wrap. The fact is roleplayers don't win championships, superstars do. People were saying the SAME EXACT thing about us in 2008 as you guys are saying about the new Big 3 in Miami. "They won't win in the first year," "They don't have a strong enough bench," blah blah blah. Well, they proved all the naysayers wrong and established a new "Big 3" formula that looks to set the precedent for a new trend for winning championships in NBA.

  One of the reasons people thought the Celts would lose was because Rondo and Perk were going to get outplayed by their opposing players badly enough to negate the advantage that we'd have at the other spots. That never happened, but it could easily happen to Miami. It's also worth noting that the games of PP/RA/KG worked well together, while James and Wade are too similar to complement each other on the offensive end.

  On a related note, I don't think that Orlando would really fear a team that has nobody capable of slowing down Dwight Howard. Depending on the matchups we might not even fact the Heat in the playoffs if Orlando gets them first.

Re: nba.fanhouse.com: Celtics Not Afraid of Miami 'Superteam'
« Reply #23 on: July 08, 2010, 11:55:25 AM »

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I feel that filling out the team with vet min players will not net them a great roster, but when you add in next year's first and their ability to spend the MLE they could be real good next year.

Also their 3 second round picks this year might end up being better than the vet min guys they get. Not sure if that's a positive or a negative if you're a Miami fan.
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Re: nba.fanhouse.com: Celtics Not Afraid of Miami 'Superteam'
« Reply #24 on: July 08, 2010, 12:25:24 PM »

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1. Bosh, James and Wade are going to have to learn how to play together, both offensively and defensively.

2. Who becomes the leader in Miami? I see a potential power struggle btwn Wade and James. Neither will be the clear leader, unlike Garnett.

3. I'd be much more concerned if Bosh were a power 4, but he isn't. The Celts will shut off the driving lanes as best they can against Miami and make James & wade beat them from outside.
« Last Edit: July 08, 2010, 01:15:18 PM by BMark »

Re: nba.fanhouse.com: Celtics Not Afraid of Miami 'Superteam'
« Reply #25 on: July 08, 2010, 01:08:53 PM »

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You guys are absolute homers of the worst kind. If LBJ goes to Miami, that's a wrap. The fact is roleplayers don't win championships, superstars do. People were saying the SAME EXACT thing about us in 2008 as you guys are saying about the new Big 3 in Miami. "They won't win in the first year," "They don't have a strong enough bench," blah blah blah. Well, they proved all the naysayers wrong and established a new "Big 3" formula that looks to set the precedent for a new trend for winning championships in NBA.

Remember when everyone was in agreement that we had a 3 year window to get it done (except now suddenly every one is grasping at straws to add 1-2 more years to it)? If Game 7 wasn't enough to prove to you that window wasn't all but shut, nothing will.

Look, had KG remained healthy, this team would have easily 3peated. They almost won 2 championship in three years regardless! But the fact is if those three team up in Miami, Pat Riley is not going to have any problem filing out the roster with quality roleplayers willing to take a cut to play on the Dream Team 2.0 -- remember, rondo was just an unproven rookie and Perkins offense was even more non-existant when the Celts won back in 08.

Now, listen, I'm not jumping on the Heat bandwagon, there will be plenty of Miami/LBJ fans to power the Miami dynasty on that front. I'm a Cs fan for life, but I'm a logical human being first and something tells me I've seen how this movie ends before. It's not going to be pretty for the rest of the NBA.

Of course, if LBJ doesn't go to Miami, it's a whole different story. Lets hope he lets his ego/homesickness get the better of him, at least then we have a fighting chance. Otherwise, expect to see the passing of the torch come our showdown with the Heat in the ECF.

The Miami superteam of 11' may in fact be an awesome sight to behold...but they may not.  Despite the fact that they may be composed of a "Big 3" like the Celtics, they will not resemble that team in several important aspects...

There's a crucial difference between the 08' Celtics and the (potential) 11' Heat.  Pierce, Allen, and Garnett are (and were) complementary players in every sense of the term.  You'd be hard-pressed to say the same about Wade, Lebron, and Bosh.

The Big 3 of Boston covers every offensive facet.  KG is the inside offensive presence, Ray is the knockdown perimeter shooter, and Pierce is the iso-superstar.  Granted, each of these players' respective "games" has regressed a bit, but they have also taken on aspects of eachother's games over time (i.e. gained more offensive flexibility).  Much of this has been made possible due to the emergence of Rondo as a transcendent point guard.

Who is going to be the shooter on Miami?  When Lebron drives into the lane, what makes him most dangerous is his ability to pass.  On a Miami team with virtually no cap space (after potentially signing Lebron) who will their "knockdown shooter" be?  There won't be one.

What will happen with Miami's interior defense?  Bosh virtually plays NO defense at all.  They don't even have a center (now that Jermaine is leaving).  Miami will be eaten alive down low by the likes of Howard, Bynum, and potentially even the Celtics with KG and Jermaine (possibly). 

Finally, just how are these guys going to share the ball?  I would argue that Bosh coming to Miami has a larger positive effect on Miami's offense than does Lebron coming.  Why?...because whatever Wade does in penetrating to the hoop can offensively supplemented and bolstered by having a dominant inside presence.  Unless Lebron were a fantastic outside shooter, he would really do nothing different from what Wade does. 

Lebron and Wade are not complementary in any way.  Bosh is, but he plays no defense.  Miami has NO center...and a totally mediocre point guard.  They'll also probably have the worst bench in the league.  This scenario is nothing like Boston's in 2008 and onward.  Looking at Boston in 2008, yes Rondo and Perk were unproven nobodies....yet they were specifically put there for their potential strengths complimenting the Big 3 purposely (and their weaknesses hidden).  With the Big 3 around, Rondo and Perk didn't need to score.  Instead, they needed to be good defenders. 

What is truly interesting to note is that Boston got Perk and Rondo BEFORE the Big 3 trades.  It is almost as if Danny planned for the occasion, and built young talent for eventual changes.  A good GM always plans in this way by building for defense.  This was ultimately the case for Boston.

For Miami, this is clearly not the case.  There is nobody like Perk or Rondo.

Now don't get me wrong.  It might purely be the case that Lebron/Wade/Bosh will be sooo unstoppable offensively that it won't matter how the rest of the team is constructed.  If the Big 3 of Miami were complementary offensive players (outside shooter, iso-player, inside presence) then I would be nearly 100% convinced that their team would be brilliant.  Who knows, maybe that'll be the case.  Part of me wants to see that...because it would kill the Lakers and be an awesome sight to behold....but the logical side of me is VERY skeptical.  First we must see whether Lebron would even actually go to Miami. 

I can't lie...I hope to god he doesn't.

Re: nba.fanhouse.com: Celtics Not Afraid of Miami 'Superteam'
« Reply #26 on: July 08, 2010, 01:23:59 PM »

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If LBJ wants to win nowhe'd sign with the Celts

Re: nba.fanhouse.com: Celtics Not Afraid of Miami 'Superteam'
« Reply #27 on: July 08, 2010, 01:45:47 PM »

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Don't know about you guys, but i've been sweating bullets all day. I am absolutely scared of the evil Dream team in Miami. Wade and James would foul out our entire front line by halftime. They will do the same to every other team in the league. Do you guys realize how many free throws these guys are going to be shooting per game? Heck, we had our hands full with just Wade in these playoffs, now you add James who is equally unstoppable and Bosh who is a bonafide 20/10 type player? To me, it's almost not even fair. I am hoping and praying that the Evil Dream Team does not come together. This is so bad for the NBA on so many levels. They would have 2 guys on the same team who are capable of erupting for 40 or 50. Not good. Not good at all.

Re: nba.fanhouse.com: Celtics Not Afraid of Miami 'Superteam'
« Reply #28 on: July 08, 2010, 04:10:44 PM »

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Couple points about the Super Heat

1.) If Stern thinks he has a problem on his hands with game length now, just wait until he gets this Heat team on national television and his crew of zebras is sending Wade and LeBron and Bosh to the line 65 times a game with the "superstar"" calls they usually get. An average Heat game will last 3 1/2 hours.

2.) The 2007-08 Celtics had Rondo, Perkins, Posey, House, Powe, Davis, Scalabrine and Pollard to start the season. All except Pollard turned out to be fairly significant contributors to that team(Yes even Scal. Let's not forget those 9 games KG missed that Scal started for him in).

Who are the Super Heat going to have that is remotely comparable? Michael Beasley? Mario Chalmers? LaTavious Williams? Da'Sean Butler? Jarvis Varnado? Dexter Pittman? Can any of these guys give to the Super Heat what Leon Powe did to the Celtics in 2007-08 never mind what Rondo, Perk and Posey did for that Celtic team?

What player that the Heat bring in will have box scores like this in the playoffs:

21 points, 8 assists, 7 rebounds, 6 steals or
20 points, 13 assists, 1 turnover

or how about

18 points, 16 rebounds, 2 blocks, 2 steals or
10 points, 10 rebounds, 5 blocks

What player the Heat bring in will be able to play shut down defense against Kobe and Lebron for long stretches of the game?

I'm sorry, given what the Heat have and what's available to them to add to this team, I don't see them as being any kind of real championship threat this year.

Re: nba.fanhouse.com: Celtics Not Afraid of Miami 'Superteam'
« Reply #29 on: July 08, 2010, 08:33:58 PM »

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offtopic: the only supergroups I like are Audioslave, Velvet Revolver and of course the Beatles. And with those bands each one of them now their specific roles. With this South Beach Supa Team we dont know yet and hopefully not translate into success.