Does Danny value 'tweeners too much?

[bbd24]

I don't consider Walker and Perk undersized for their position. Perkins is 6'10 with a wingspan of 7'4. Sounds good for a center to me. And Walker I think has proved that he can play the SF position effectively.

But to answer your question, note how all the picks besides Perk are second round picks. Danny picks players who are productive (most of the time) and the only productive players who last until the second are usually undersized.

I'd give the same exact answer.  It has more to do with draft position more than anything.  Your finding these undersized type players in the 2nd rounds. Its not Ainges fault he's doing the most of what he can with the pick location.  Thats his job.  A job he knows how to do and then some. Most of those 2nd rounders get D leagued now or cut.  Not with Ainge. Re-sign Ainge to a 10 year deal please. Seems like all of his tweeners come to play and can be a valuable asset to the team.  No matter where their picked.

[celticsclay]

Is pruitt really undersized? Isn't Rondo also undersized? If you use certain definitions half the NBA is "undersized"

[Meadowlark_Scal]

I ask this because of recent players on our roster.  In recent drafts Danny selected players who were really undersized at their positions like Perk, Gomes, Powe, Baby, Pruit, Hudson, B. Walker, Bradley, and Harangody.

  Look where they were chosen in the draft.

tony parker, SA was taken far down in the draft, so were most of the good players actually..you know #1's hardly turn out......

  Sure, a small percentage of the players don't fit the mold, but the vast majority do. Surely you aren't trying to claim that Parker shows that there are always players who aren't tweeners and will be good players available late in the draft.

i meant that there are players later in the draft that are good, they don't have to be the top 10 drafts.....but a team needs to PLAY them early in the season, real time, with the pros, and work with them...you have to develop players, that is it, and they have to want to be better also. but, that is just my opinion.

[Greenbean]

One idea is that both doc and danny were both guards, they have a guard mentality, they like guards, maybe re live through them....look at the C's, was it a guard team, does doc love to try to run plays for centers or big men like pat riley does..? No on that one for sure, doc gave pat obryant no chance no way to play on this team, a real 7 footer with skills, they said he had no fire in him, who has fire playing garbage time forever, tommy h and i saw a lot of good things from the guy, in g-time, he even passed well...no one passes much in garbage time......why the heck would he pick more guards when we got beat by big men, we are losing two big men, and we needed more big men...? Perk isn't a swing man, but bbd is ....imagine him coming back next year...just as short...just as fat...thinking he did fine the way he was...like scal did for 5 years.....

I dont know where to start here. Is this serious?

[Meadowlark_Scal]

One idea is that both doc and danny were both guards, they have a guard mentality, they like guards, maybe re live through them....look at the C's, was it a guard team, does doc love to try to run plays for centers or big men like pat riley does..? No on that one for sure, doc gave pat obryant no chance no way to play on this team, a real 7 footer with skills, they said he had no fire in him, who has fire playing garbage time forever, tommy h and i saw a lot of good things from the guy, in g-time, he even passed well...no one passes much in garbage time......why the heck would he pick more guards when we got beat by big men, we are losing two big men, and we needed more big men...? Perk isn't a swing man, but bbd is ....imagine him coming back next year...just as short...just as fat...thinking he did fine the way he was...like scal did for 5 years.....

I dont know where to start here. Is this serious?

it is serious, idea for you, don't start at all. agree or disagree, but don't call me out. i prob should put in a disclaimer, don't reply to my posts if you haven't ever really played serious basketball, like not "for fun", play to win! Then you might get a better idea where i am coming from. people who watch bball on tv, then want to tell everyone how it is.....come on...i am not your huckleberry..!

[xmuscularghandix]

He gets them in the second round. And he gets guys that had good college careers but are being looked over because of perceived “flaws”. Danny understands that these guys will have something to prove and have skills to play basketball.

[jr_3421]

doc gave pat obryant no chance no way to play on this team, a real 7 footer with skills, they said he had no fire in him, who has fire playing garbage time forever, tommy h and i saw a lot of good things from the guy, in g-time, he even passed well...no one passes much in garbage time

I hope this a joke.

you hope so why...? explain if you are going to start.

I'm saying that you can't blame Doc for not playing someone who has failed to make an impact on every team he has played for in his NBA career. If you can't play with passion on KG's team, then you don't belong in the league.
And when is the last time Tommy didn't see Hall of Fame potential at one point in any young Celtic?

[KCattheStripe]

One idea is that both doc and danny were both guards, they have a guard mentality, they like guards, maybe re live through them....look at the C's, was it a guard team, does doc love to try to run plays for centers or big men like pat riley does..? No on that one for sure, doc gave pat obryant no chance no way to play on this team, a real 7 footer with skills, they said he had no fire in him, who has fire playing garbage time forever, tommy h and i saw a lot of good things from the guy, in g-time, he even passed well...no one passes much in garbage time......why the heck would he pick more guards when we got beat by big men, we are losing two big men, and we needed more big men...? Perk isn't a swing man, but bbd is ....imagine him coming back next year...just as short...just as fat...thinking he did fine the way he was...like scal did for 5 years.....

Take this point by point:

1) Doc ran plenty of plays for KG, Rasheed and Baby. He didn't run many for Perk because Perk isn't a scorer. Not running a play for a guy with little offensive game isn't a guard mentality, it's common sense.

2) Patty has been on three NBA teams where he has never earned minutes. He shows flashes of being good ( That's how he got to be a lottery pick) but has never earned minutes on any team.

3) He picked more guards because it's better to have good guards than crap bigs.

4) BBD is a swing man?

5) Baby did do fine the way he was. Man can't longer arms, but you can't draft somebody with long arms just to do it, especially if they don't have the overall basketball ability as Baby.

[KCattheStripe]

I ask this because of recent players on our roster.  In recent drafts Danny selected players who were really undersized at their positions like Perk, Gomes, Powe, Baby, Pruit, Hudson, B. Walker, Bradley, and Harangody.

  Look where they were chosen in the draft.

tony parker, SA was taken far down in the draft, so were most of the good players actually..you know #1's hardly turn out......

Yes but most of the players who do pan out are taken before 19. Guys like TP, Zero and Manu are exceptions not rules and they are much rarer.

[KCattheStripe]

All star bigs drafted at 19 or lower since 2000:

Jamaal Magloire
Zach Randolph
Mehmet okur
Carlos Boozer
David Lee

[Meadowlark_Scal]

doc gave pat obryant no chance no way to play on this team, a real 7 footer with skills, they said he had no fire in him, who has fire playing garbage time forever, tommy h and i saw a lot of good things from the guy, in g-time, he even passed well...no one passes much in garbage time

I hope this a joke.

you hope so why...? explain if you are going to start.

I'm saying that you can't blame Doc for not playing someone who has failed to make an impact on every team he has played for in his NBA career. If you can't play with passion on KG's team, then you don't belong in the league.
And when is the last time Tommy didn't see Hall of Fame potential at one point in any young Celtic?

Well, who are we to say if he has skills or not, it is really one thing we will never know. I for one do not go by what others say or do, when it comes to my thinking and decision making. "I" just saw what i saw in the player, if you didn't see that, then okay for you. Tommy, in my opinion, is NOT a politically correct person. He does not like all players. The ones i have heard him comment on, are ones i have seen talent in also. But that is just me and mine. As for my blame, i am not really blaming him, but if i want to, i will. his mistake was if he ever played scal ahead of sheldon, o bryant, or anyone for that matter, and he did, plenty of times. those minutes could have went to someone with potential. Now maybe scal showed you some potential, but i wouldn't ever let a player like that on my team. Coaches have a lot on their plate, and can sometimes be led by the previous coaches decisions, a lot of people do that...if someone said the guy is weak, they look for the weakness, if they see any, then they look no further.

[CoachBo]

I knew it. The "Bring Back Gerald Green" thread is just around the corner.

Paddy O'Blount never could play. He was ambivalent on the floor in college, and he was ambivalent on the floor in the pros. That's why he's gone. NO ONE thinks he can play in the NBA.

It just staggers me that anyone would suggest that this stiff never got a chance. Minutes are earned with effort. When you don't give any - see O'Blount - you don't get any.

Blaming the failure of this guy - whose only NBA qualification is height - on a proven NBA coach is just mind-boggling.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

All star bigs drafted at 19 or lower since 2000:

Jamaal Magloire
Zach Randolph
Mehmet okur
Carlos Boozer
David Lee

tashaun prince, josh boone,kirilinko.derek fisher, sam cassell,sam dalembert, john salmons, jason maxiell, jordon farmar, jamaal tinsley, aaron brooks, kendrick perkins #27,linus kleiza, pj brown, nazir mohammud, anderson varajo #30, gilbert areans 31,rashard lewis 32,brandon bass,   for you scal lovers and bbd both #35,cliff robinson and boozer 36, eddie house ronny turiaf 36,rafear allston monta ellis 39, 40..., pachula 41, cuttino mobley, michael redd 43, keith bogans 43, trevor aziza 43, paul milsap 47, marc gasol 49, powe blatch gomes, 49-50, these guys some bigs, some not, were all available around the later pics, you have to see beyond someones report, that is what makes the diff between knowledge, success, and being led, the teams that picked these guys didn't go with hype, they went with their basketball knowledge, earned by experience and paying attention as they live life, not just taking what others say as law.....use your own mind, and see what is, not what you are just told.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

I ask this because of recent players on our roster.  In recent drafts Danny selected players who were really undersized at their positions like Perk, Gomes, Powe, Baby, Pruit, Hudson, B. Walker, Bradley, and Harangody.

  Look where they were chosen in the draft.

tony parker, SA was taken far down in the draft, so were most of the good players actually..you know #1's hardly turn out......

Yes but most of the players who do pan out are taken before 19. Guys like TP, Zero and Manu are exceptions not rules and they are much rarer.

see my last post, there are plenty of guys after 19.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

I knew it. The "Bring Back Gerald Green" thread is just around the corner.

Paddy O'Blount never could play. He was ambivalent on the floor in college, and he was ambivalent on the floor in the pros. That's why he's gone. NO ONE thinks he can play in the NBA.

It just staggers me that anyone would suggest that this stiff never got a chance. Minutes are earned with effort. When you don't give any - see O'Blount - you don't get any.

Blaming the failure of this guy - whose only NBA qualification is height - on a proven NBA coach is just mind-boggling.

this doesn't prove anything, scal got minutes, plenty of them, he got more than sheldon, your stats prove that sheldon was better, my view shows that also, you can't see it...well okay, not your fault, just not your thing. Same with o bryant, you couldn't see past what you were told, many others are the same, hey, in the 70's we were told there was no oil left, so we had the gas crunch, held hostage by lies again, someone told us it was gone, so you were told he was no good, others also, did you ever watch him in garbage time, he was good on the post, but only got the ball from rebounds, which are few in g-time, no one passes in the post in g-time, he blocked shots, played good position, ran the floor......you get none of this from scal, and many others, you get it from a guy you were told to hate.....hey, it is your life, so be led......!