Does Danny value 'tweeners too much?

[Dchuck]

I ask this because of recent players on our roster.  In recent drafts Danny selected players who were really undersized at their positions like Perk, Gomes, Powe, Baby, Pruit, Hudson, B. Walker, Bradley, and Harangody.

Don't get me wrong, some of them have panned out but most of this list seem like 'tweeners.  Yes they have talent but it seems like 'tweeners have a tough time being consistent contributors and usually become more expendable.

[jr_3421]

I don't consider Walker and Perk undersized for their position. Perkins is 6'10 with a wingspan of 7'4. Sounds good for a center to me. And Walker I think has proved that he can play the SF position effectively.

But to answer your question, note how all the picks besides Perk are second round picks. Danny picks players who are productive (most of the time) and the only productive players who last until the second are usually undersized.

[GranTur]

6'3 isn't egregiously undersized for a SG. See Eric Gordon.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

One idea is that both doc and danny were both guards, they have a guard mentality, they like guards, maybe re live through them....look at the C's, was it a guard team, does doc love to try to run plays for centers or big men like pat riley does..? No on that one for sure, doc gave pat obryant no chance no way to play on this team, a real 7 footer with skills, they said he had no fire in him, who has fire playing garbage time forever, tommy h and i saw a lot of good things from the guy, in g-time, he even passed well...no one passes much in garbage time......why the heck would he pick more guards when we got beat by big men, we are losing two big men, and we needed more big men...? Perk isn't a swing man, but bbd is ....imagine him coming back next year...just as short...just as fat...thinking he did fine the way he was...like scal did for 5 years.....

[More Banners]

One more for the list from Danny's first draft:  Brandon Hunter (currently playing pro ball in Israel?)

Danny looks for value in the 2nd round, for a player with an NBA skill.  Usually that's been rebounding, and usually it's been a big, and usually that big is undersized, which is why they went in the 2nd. 

It makes sense.  Rebounding, I think, is the college skill that most readily translates to the NBA game.  Harangody has a pretty good shot at becoming a fan favorite, IMO.

[jasail]

I think a lot of that is a product of where he has been drafting (late first and second round) and the BAP draft practice. A lot of his picks (BBD, Powe, DWest) would have been much higher picks if they had fit the traditional mold better.  Because they were undersized for their natural position they fell in the draft.  Danny then picked them up b/c they were BAP.

[jr_3421]

doc gave pat obryant no chance no way to play on this team, a real 7 footer with skills, they said he had no fire in him, who has fire playing garbage time forever, tommy h and i saw a lot of good things from the guy, in g-time, he even passed well...no one passes much in garbage time

I hope this a joke.

[Dchuck]

I think a lot of that is a product of where he has been drafting (late first and second round) and the BAP draft practice. A lot of his picks (BBD, Powe, DWest) would have been much higher picks if they had fit the traditional mold better.  Because they were undersized for their natural position they fell in the draft.  Danny then picked them up b/c they were BAP.

Ah yes forgot about Delonte.

[clover]

One idea is that both doc and danny were both guards, they have a guard mentality, they like guards, maybe re live through them....look at the C's, was it a guard team, does doc love to try to run plays for centers or big men like pat riley does..? No on that one for sure, doc gave pat obryant no chance no way to play on this team, a real 7 footer with skills, they said he had no fire in him, who has fire playing garbage time forever, tommy h and i saw a lot of good things from the guy, in g-time, he even passed well...no one passes much in garbage time......why the heck would he pick more guards when we got beat by big men, we are losing two big men, and we needed more big men...? Perk isn't a swing man, but bbd is ....imagine him coming back next year...just as short...just as fat...thinking he did fine the way he was...like scal did for 5 years.....

So if we lose Doc and McHale comes in that's one thing that might get rebalanced.  Similarly, I think McHale might be able to relate to young Mr. Beasley better, were he to come in next year as well.  On the flip side, Doc was learning to use Al when Danny traded him away.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

doc gave pat obryant no chance no way to play on this team, a real 7 footer with skills, they said he had no fire in him, who has fire playing garbage time forever, tommy h and i saw a lot of good things from the guy, in g-time, he even passed well...no one passes much in garbage time

I hope this a joke.

you hope so why...? explain if you are going to start.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

One idea is that both doc and danny were both guards, they have a guard mentality, they like guards, maybe re live through them....look at the C's, was it a guard team, does doc love to try to run plays for centers or big men like pat riley does..? No on that one for sure, doc gave pat obryant no chance no way to play on this team, a real 7 footer with skills, they said he had no fire in him, who has fire playing garbage time forever, tommy h and i saw a lot of good things from the guy, in g-time, he even passed well...no one passes much in garbage time......why the heck would he pick more guards when we got beat by big men, we are losing two big men, and we needed more big men...? Perk isn't a swing man, but bbd is ....imagine him coming back next year...just as short...just as fat...thinking he did fine the way he was...like scal did for 5 years.....

So if we lose Doc and McHale comes in that's one thing that might get rebalanced.  Similarly, I think McHale might be able to relate to young Mr. Beasley better, were he to come in next year as well.  On the flip side, Doc was learning to use Al when Danny traded him away.

that is what i think, as doc likes guards, mchale likes guys like him, as in al jefferson, seems to fit right...? and it makes sense...easy to relate...butr a COACH needs to see more types to make a real coach and team.....unless he is like a center assistant type coach, like Ewing...seemed doc was figuring it out...doc has a lot of good qualities, and he did well with an assortment of strong personalities....! i was hard on doc, but i still see the great things he did...pp can be dramatic at times, i am sure he put in some team chemistry probs..!

[BballTim]

I ask this because of recent players on our roster.  In recent drafts Danny selected players who were really undersized at their positions like Perk, Gomes, Powe, Baby, Pruit, Hudson, B. Walker, Bradley, and Harangody.

  Look where they were chosen in the draft.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

I ask this because of recent players on our roster.  In recent drafts Danny selected players who were really undersized at their positions like Perk, Gomes, Powe, Baby, Pruit, Hudson, B. Walker, Bradley, and Harangody.

  Look where they were chosen in the draft.

tony parker, SA was taken far down in the draft, so were most of the good players actually..you know #1's hardly turn out......

[BballTim]

I ask this because of recent players on our roster.  In recent drafts Danny selected players who were really undersized at their positions like Perk, Gomes, Powe, Baby, Pruit, Hudson, B. Walker, Bradley, and Harangody.

  Look where they were chosen in the draft.

tony parker, SA was taken far down in the draft, so were most of the good players actually..you know #1's hardly turn out......

  Sure, a small percentage of the players don't fit the mold, but the vast majority do. Surely you aren't trying to claim that Parker shows that there are always players who aren't tweeners and will be good players available late in the draft.

[celticsclay]

doc gave pat obryant no chance no way to play on this team, a real 7 footer with skills, they said he had no fire in him, who has fire playing garbage time forever, tommy h and i saw a lot of good things from the guy, in g-time, he even passed well...no one passes much in garbage time

Isn't Patrick O'bryant still a complete non factor in the nba? He was on toronto last year? Not exactly the most amazing big man rotation in the world and he couldn't crack it? Hard to say that Doc missed anything on him
I hope this a joke.

you hope so why...? explain if you are going to start.