The price we paid for Banner 17

[lon3lytoaster]

At the time, we traded our best prospect and some other mid-tier prospects and a contract for KG. We were able to keep Rondo, who turned into a better player than Big Al.

And before that we unloaded a bad contract in Sczerbiak, a mid-tier prospect and a high level pick for Ray Allen and Big Baby, who isn't a bad young player either. Jeff Green's a good player BUTTT ask yourself..

How close is this team to winning anything;

Rondo
West
Green
Big Al
Perk

hmm

[RJ87]

i mean guys i just dont share the same hope about rondo as the rest of you guys. yes hes a hardworker and has developed well because of the program hes in and taking advantage being around veterans. IMO. again MY opinion. i saw guy who was inconsistent. cant shoot jumper or free throws. i dont see guy who is all aroud player.does he have potential? of course we can say that about anybody, including nate robinson. NR was only around program few months, can u imagine if hed been around these guys 3years as well. my thing is trade value while we can. rondo IMO is as good as guys around him. yea a guy will have a game now and then where it seems he carries a team, but im talkin bout consistency. chris paul will give us that all around game night in and night out. we have him, we win seris in 5 vs lakers. now rondo is great defense and rebounder. but we need to get value while we can. to win now! in this last 2year window for big 3. like someone said above, big3 not gettin any younger, **** im not either lol...in 2012 then we focus on younger talent and next generation.

CP3 ain't comin to Boston.

[ejk3489]

and his defense cant be taught.

Rondo could not be any more of an over-rated defender. His complete lack of intensity and effort with one on one defense is fabricated by his steal numbers, which are due to ridiculous gambles that 9/10 times result in an easy bucket.  I agree that Rondo is a player with star potential, but franchise player? I don't think so.  If you're going to "build around Rondo" you're going to build a team like the 2004 Pistons, where Rondo is not the dominant "man".  I really doubt playing with the Big Three hindered Rondo's development when teams were taking chances on defense leaving him to do what he pleases.  I'm curious to see how Rondo would do if he was the focus of a defense, but with his offensive limitations, I can't put him in the same league as franchise point guards like Chris Paul and Deron Williams.  He's close to them, but he isn't.

Are you sure you don't mean that 9/10 it works in his favor? Because usually it does...I've heard KG and Doc both mention it a few times. Yes, he has gambled a lot in the past, but I think he's done a lot better job of it this year imo.

As BballTim said, it's obvious the coaches around the league think he's a superior defender.

[ajgoodman]

All condescending arguments aside,

I can promise all of you that these are not concoctions of my imagination.  It's happening right in front of me. So many times it just doesn't look like Rondo is interested in shutting his man down on the defensive end.  Jameer Nelson sure had his way on the offensive end for those last few games against Orlando... Am I saying Rajon isn't a good or even great player? No. All I am saying is he's not as much as a lock-down defender as he is lead on to be. That's my opinion. It's not "nonsense" and it's not "whining."

I guess I lied. I did kind of address condescending comments with the last sentence...

[Scottie]

That's my opinion. It's not "nonsense" and it's not "whining."

That's true, I'd say it's just flat out wrong.

[ajgoodman]

That's my opinion. It's not "nonsense" and it's not "whining."

That's true, I'd say it's just flat out wrong.

Does anyone know how to politely agree to disagree on the Internet?  Jeesh, I had forgotten why I avoided going from reader to contributor for so long... Thanks for the reminder.  It's not wrong l, it's just not what you believe, Scottie. The display of your superiority complex isn't helping to change my mind.   

[ajgoodman]

Also, if I believed everything the "experts" said, I couldn't consider myself an engaged basketball fan.

[Scottie]

Those last couple of posts where whining though

[ajgoodman]

Those last couple of posts where whining though

...Touché.

[jjbay7]

All condescending arguments aside,

I can promise all of you that these are not concoctions of my imagination.  It's happening right in front of me. So many times it just doesn't look like Rondo is interested in shutting his man down on the defensive end.  Jameer Nelson sure had his way on the offensive end for those last few games against Orlando... Am I saying Rajon isn't a good or even great player? No. All I am saying is he's not as much as a lock-down defender as he is lead on to be. That's my opinion. It's not "nonsense" and it's not "whining."

I guess I lied. I did kind of address condescending comments with the last sentence...

i totally agree with AJ on his opinions about rondo. doc rivers has also said on numerous ocassions rondo is not who u think he is lol. but really tho. it goes back to what i said earlier, rondo is INCONSISTENT, on defense as well. if player hes defending starts out having good night or agressive, rondo doesnt have that knack to be like im gonna shut him down. he does very well however if team is up and hes preserving a lead. see it as in baseball terms like a relief pitcher or if its last few minutes of game him as a closer. rondo is not that type of player to be dominant or lead a team to a comeback or when goin through adversity. and he doesnt drive to basket like he should when defenses are set, becasue of his FT%. but in game7 u gotta do watever it takes, and didnt have that mentality. in 2008 comebck game 4 that was 40% ray allen 40% pierce. and 20% rest of team. i thnk u guys are taking these rondo criticisms too personal lol and listening too many commentators, watching too much sportscenter and not enough watching sports. again i appreciate what rondo did in playoffs but notice his best games we always had a lead. many of you guys have stated build future around rondo, and im sayin please dont. its like back in 80s saying build a team around dennis johnson lol

[celtic -_- pride]

it was sweet watching pierce win a championship. they were robbed this year. and would of been right back there in 09 if kg didn't go down

[guava_wrench]

A lot of people here are mad at Danny, begging him to make moves. The fact is, he can't. The only movable asset is really Perkins (injured) and BBD. His hands are tied. This is the price we pay for winning a ring. These next 2 years are not going to be easy, and we're not going to be able to rebuild overnight.

I doubt we can move Rasheed's contract for anything - it still counts against the cap until a buyout is negotiated. In the summer of cap space, we have none. We have no flexibility. Sign and trades are nearly impossible to pull off, especially this summer when so many teams have cap space.

The only things left are desperation moves (i.e. beasley and bad contracts). Now Beasley might be a gamble I'd take on, but that's it. A poor desperation move will only hamper rebuilding even more.

So I'm hoping we stay put, let our big contracts expire. Acquire some young assets, and hope for the best in the lottery and free agency in a couple years.

Why would you buyout a guy who is retiring? The player just files his papers with league office.

[BballTim]

All condescending arguments aside,

I can promise all of you that these are not concoctions of my imagination.  It's happening right in front of me. So many times it just doesn't look like Rondo is interested in shutting his man down on the defensive end.  Jameer Nelson sure had his way on the offensive end for those last few games against Orlando... Am I saying Rajon isn't a good or even great player? No. All I am saying is he's not as much as a lock-down defender as he is lead on to be. That's my opinion. It's not "nonsense" and it's not "whining."

I guess I lied. I did kind of address condescending comments with the last sentence...

  Sure, Nelson had a good game or two, when Rondo was having back/leg spasms. In general he didn't get a lot done though. And you're right that Rondo isn't a lock-down defender. What you're missing, though, is that since they changed the hand-check rules, *nobody* locks down point guards. It's virtually impossible to keep someone as quick as a pg in front of you when you can't touch him and he uses picks to get by you.

  If you think that Rondo does it so poorly, you should have no trouble listing quite a few point guards that are significantly better at it than Rondo.

  It's also worth pointing out that Rondo causes a lot of havoc for opposing offenses. This is important to our team defense beyond the job he does on opposing point guards.

[Cman]

The price we paid...


... was worth every penny.

 

[GreenFaith1819]

The price we paid...


... was worth every penny.

 

TP. So True.