Bulls to trade Hinrich and 17th pick to Wizards

[xmuscularghandix]

The Chicago Bulls have to make sure of a backup plan to Lebron James.

If I’m The Chicago Bulls i’m going right after Amare Stoudemire or Carlos Boozer. Both are very good pick and roll guys to pair with Derrick Rose.

Then I’m going at Ray Allen to help allow spacing for Rose...

Rose, Allen, Deng, Stoudemire, Noah

That’s deadly. And this cap space is making it happen

yeah, I'd say the worst case scenario for the Bulls is a core of Rose, Deng, Boozer, and Noah.  That's still pretty dang good.

Almost as likely is Rose / Joe Johnson / Deng / Boozer / Noah and that's pretty fantastic.  Not Rose - LeBron - Bosh - Noah fantastic, but still pretty fantastic.

One way or another, I expect the Bulls to be pretty impressive for the next 4 to 5 years.

I keep forgetting about Joe. Rose, Johnson, Deng, Boozer, Noah is a pretty nasty starting unit.

It’s funny how fast things switch around, 3 years ago Deng was there best player, in this situation i’d say he’s the weakest starter. 

[JSD]

I'm not bashing Kirk Hinrich's abilites, but I don't understand why Chicago is willing to absorb his contract, cut waaaaaaaay into their own freed up space (which they traded Caron Butler, Brendon Haywood and Antawn Jamison to acquire), and allow Chicago to easily free up enough space for two max free agents and just get the 17th pick in what's widely considered a miserable draft class.

Kirk Hinrich is a player/contract you consider taking on in you're a serious contender. Not a lottery bound team, who could potentially have signed a max free agent.

I disagree, like Mike Bibby to Atlanta I think good solid veterans on a rebuilding team helps speed the process. Also, who is Washington going to lure in free agency?  If it was announced today that they signed Hinrich for 2 years $17 million would you think it was a bad deal?

Arenas is gone by tonight.

[Fan from VT]

If this trade goes through, it's absolutely the right move for chicago. Not only would it allow Chicago to offer any two FA's the chance to get max money to play together, but they could potentially have the pieces to get in on the chris paul/Lebron combo, using Derrick Rose (via a 3rd team?) to get in on that action. Could potentially result in a CP/Deng/Lebron/Gibson/Noah starting lineup with about 5 million to round out the roster.

[StartOrien]

I'm not bashing Kirk Hinrich's abilites, but I don't understand why Chicago is willing to absorb his contract, cut waaaaaaaay into their own freed up space (which they traded Caron Butler, Brendon Haywood and Antawn Jamison to acquire), and allow Chicago to easily free up enough space for two max free agents and just get the 17th pick in what's widely considered a miserable draft class.

Kirk Hinrich is a player/contract you consider taking on in you're a serious contender. Not a lottery bound team, who could potentially have signed a max free agent.

I disagree, like Mike Bibby to Atlanta I think good solid veterans on a rebuilding team helps speed the process. Also, who is Washington going to lure in free agency?  If it was announced today that they signed Hinrich for 2 years $17 million would you think it was a bad deal?

Arenas is gone by tonight.

Absolutely I'd say its a terrible signing.

Bibby at least was going to a team where he had a clear defined role, and in my opinion a team that clarly could turn itself around with the addition of a PG. They also didn't have the ability at that time to sign a max free agent.

Washington probably couldn't have gotten a max free agent, but they could've gotten some nice pieces potentially two nice additions along the lines of a Rudy Gay or David Lee.

[JSD]

I'm not bashing Kirk Hinrich's abilites, but I don't understand why Chicago is willing to absorb his contract, cut waaaaaaaay into their own freed up space (which they traded Caron Butler, Brendon Haywood and Antawn Jamison to acquire), and allow Chicago to easily free up enough space for two max free agents and just get the 17th pick in what's widely considered a miserable draft class.

Kirk Hinrich is a player/contract you consider taking on in you're a serious contender. Not a lottery bound team, who could potentially have signed a max free agent.

I disagree, like Mike Bibby to Atlanta I think good solid veterans on a rebuilding team helps speed the process. Also, who is Washington going to lure in free agency?  If it was announced today that they signed Hinrich for 2 years $17 million would you think it was a bad deal?

Arenas is gone by tonight.

Absolutely I'd say its a terrible signing.

Bibby at least was going to a team where he had a clear defined role, and in my opinion a team that clarly could turn itself around with the addition of a PG. They also didn't have the ability at that time to sign a max free agent.

Washington probably couldn't have gotten a max free agent, but they could've gotten some nice pieces potentially two nice additions along the lines of a Rudy Gay or David Lee.

They'd have to commit 4 or 5 years to Gay or Lee. With the team up for sale, the new CBA approaching, Arenas still on the books and a new franchise player coming in, they probably aren't looking to commit those kind of years right now.

I like the low risk move that brings in a solid (playoff tested) veteran with a good attitude and another chip to use to offer Arenas contemplators.

[wiley]

I'm not bashing Kirk Hinrich's abilites, but I don't understand why Chicago is willing to absorb his contract, cut waaaaaaaay into their own freed up space (which they traded Caron Butler, Brendon Haywood and Antawn Jamison to acquire), and allow Chicago to easily free up enough space for two max free agents and just get the 17th pick in what's widely considered a miserable draft class.

Kirk Hinrich is a player/contract you consider taking on in you're a serious contender. Not a lottery bound team, who could potentially have signed a max free agent.

I disagree, like Mike Bibby to Atlanta I think good solid veterans on a rebuilding team helps speed the process. Also, who is Washington going to lure in free agency?  If it was announced today that they signed Hinrich for 2 years $17 million would you think it was a bad deal?

Arenas is gone by tonight.

I agree I don't see it as so horrible for Washington.  I mean, at some point some teams have to stop clearing cap space or no one will fill out a roster.....they got a decent pick out of it imo...could be a good player they get who will develop alongside Wall.

[wiley]

I'm not bashing Kirk Hinrich's abilites, but I don't understand why Chicago is willing to absorb his contract, cut waaaaaaaay into their own freed up space (which they traded Caron Butler, Brendon Haywood and Antawn Jamison to acquire), and allow Chicago to easily free up enough space for two max free agents and just get the 17th pick in what's widely considered a miserable draft class.

Kirk Hinrich is a player/contract you consider taking on in you're a serious contender. Not a lottery bound team, who could potentially have signed a max free agent.

I disagree, like Mike Bibby to Atlanta I think good solid veterans on a rebuilding team helps speed the process. Also, who is Washington going to lure in free agency?  If it was announced today that they signed Hinrich for 2 years $17 million would you think it was a bad deal?

Arenas is gone by tonight.

I agree I don't see it as so horrible for Washington.  I mean, at some point some teams have to stop clearing cap space or no one will fill out a roster.....they got a decent pick out of it imo...could be a good player they get who will develop alongside Wall.

In fact, I thought it was a really good deal for Washington until it was slammed by the blog's financial wizards....one of my weak areas.

[jdpapa3]

So, the Thunder had to take on 2 million for the 18th pick and the Wizards had to take on 17 million for the 17th pick??!!

I know a Wizards fan and he is mad that Grunfeld has managed to ruin what should be a glorious day for Wizards fans worldwide.

[JSD]

So, the Thunder had to take on 2 million for the 18th pick and the Wizards had to take on 17 million for the 17th pick??!!

I know a Wizards fan and he is mad that Grunfeld has managed to ruin what should be a glorious day for Wizards fans worldwide.

Hinrich >>> Cook

[Drucci]

Great trade for Chicago. The Wizards get the pick they desperately wanted in the first round (they wanted more than Wall). However I'm not sure how Hinrich will fit on that team, they see him as a "mentor" for Wall but I'm obviously not seeing the same qualities in Hinrich... he is a good PG and shooter but that's it.

Anyway, Chicago has done a great job so far, with their new coach and their core. They are in a prime position for the free agency class, they could be the team to beat in the East next year... this summer will be very interesting.

Imagine a starting 5 of Rose/role player/LeBron/Bosh/Noah, with guys off the bench like Taj Gibson, Brad Miller... scary.

[Gainesville Celtic]

I'm not bashing Kirk Hinrich's abilites, but I don't understand why Chicago is willing to absorb his contract, cut waaaaaaaay into their own freed up space (which they traded Caron Butler, Brendon Haywood and Antawn Jamison to acquire), and allow Chicago to easily free up enough space for two max free agents and just get the 17th pick in what's widely considered a miserable draft class.

Kirk Hinrich is a player/contract you consider taking on in you're a serious contender. Not a lottery bound team, who could potentially have signed a max free agent.

I disagree, like Mike Bibby to Atlanta I think good solid veterans on a rebuilding team helps speed the process. Also, who is Washington going to lure in free agency?  If it was announced today that they signed Hinrich for 2 years $17 million would you think it was a bad deal?

Arenas is gone by tonight.

My guess is that WAS did this to acquire pieces and that they'd probably just turn around and trade Hinrich (IND is looking for a PG, LAL has had interest in him, etc).

I'd do this if I was WAS probably, but woulda pushed for Deng instead.

[JSD]

I'm not bashing Kirk Hinrich's abilites, but I don't understand why Chicago is willing to absorb his contract, cut waaaaaaaay into their own freed up space (which they traded Caron Butler, Brendon Haywood and Antawn Jamison to acquire), and allow Chicago to easily free up enough space for two max free agents and just get the 17th pick in what's widely considered a miserable draft class.

Kirk Hinrich is a player/contract you consider taking on in you're a serious contender. Not a lottery bound team, who could potentially have signed a max free agent.

I disagree, like Mike Bibby to Atlanta I think good solid veterans on a rebuilding team helps speed the process. Also, who is Washington going to lure in free agency?  If it was announced today that they signed Hinrich for 2 years $17 million would you think it was a bad deal?

Arenas is gone by tonight.

My guess is that WAS did this to acquire pieces and that they'd probably just turn around and trade Hinrich (IND is looking for a PG, LAL has had interest in him, etc).

I'd do this if I was WAS probably, but woulda pushed for Deng instead.

Hmm... Deng's massive contract would scare me.

[Dybdal]

The only thing that makes sense to me about what the wizzards are doing is the same speculation that was run on these boards a few days ago about the posibility of a lock out.

They will try to keep around or under the cap while building hype around John Wall and keep everything on a 2 year contract and then start going after another Max contract when John Wall has had 2 years to develop.

Adding Kirk Henrich isnt a win now type of deal and it isnt a deal set into motion to mentor John Wall.. i honnestly think they plan to get some revenue in with a full running hype machine around John Wall for the next 2 years.

[JSD]

I'm not bashing Kirk Hinrich's abilites, but I don't understand why Chicago is willing to absorb his contract, cut waaaaaaaay into their own freed up space (which they traded Caron Butler, Brendon Haywood and Antawn Jamison to acquire), and allow Chicago to easily free up enough space for two max free agents and just get the 17th pick in what's widely considered a miserable draft class.

Kirk Hinrich is a player/contract you consider taking on in you're a serious contender. Not a lottery bound team, who could potentially have signed a max free agent.

I disagree, like Mike Bibby to Atlanta I think good solid veterans on a rebuilding team helps speed the process. Also, who is Washington going to lure in free agency?  If it was announced today that they signed Hinrich for 2 years $17 million would you think it was a bad deal?

Arenas is gone by tonight.

My guess is that WAS did this to acquire pieces and that they'd probably just turn around and trade Hinrich (IND is looking for a PG, LAL has had interest in him, etc).

I'd do this if I was WAS probably, but woulda pushed for Deng instead.

You brought up another good point here too, Hinrich is a very tradeable asset for WAS.

[jdpapa3]

So, the Thunder had to take on 2 million for the 18th pick and the Wizards had to take on 17 million for the 17th pick??!!

I know a Wizards fan and he is mad that Grunfeld has managed to ruin what should be a glorious day for Wizards fans worldwide.

Hinrich >>> Cook

And Butler>>Hinrich...and doesn't play the same position as the guy they are about to draft...the Wizards make no sense.