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Celtics Not Rebuilding
« on: June 19, 2010, 10:31:01 AM »

Offline FallGuy

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Bulpett has it this morning in the Herald.

Seems to bode well for Doc's return.

Although, worryingly, the article also suggests Ainge may have had some health relapses.

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The problem is that some of what the club wants is not in its hands. The choices of others will impact greatly on how this team looks when it reconvenes in the fall.

But before they can even begin to fathom the details, the Celtics had to make one huge decision: Do they keep it together or do they blow it up?


They have decided on the former, according to sources. From that, the map becomes more clear. The Celtics will try to add to their core with a mid-level exception free agent and a draft pick, and trades will be explored, as well.

http://bostonherald.com/sports/columnists/view.bg?articleid=1262588&srvc=sports&position=4


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« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2010, 10:56:28 AM »

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I like that. I think we can squeeze a deep playoff run out of this team given the right offseason moves.


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« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2010, 10:58:59 AM »

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Nice piece, TP for posting the link.

It'll be tough to rebuild on the fly since, IMO, the team needs a go-to scorer, but doesn't really have the pieces to trade for one, they aren't usually available for the MLE, and draft picks take too long to develop into one.

I think there may be one more option, though...Scal will save us.  Trade Scal in a S&T with a non-guaranteed contract with a friendly buyout clause in year one, plus a 2011 draft pick for a MLE-level player.  Could the Wizards want to add a draft pick fairly cheap?  Probably.  Presto:  Mike Miller, without using the MLE, Scal picks up a random half-million before returning on a minimum contact, and we still have the MLE to use to add talent.

That doesn't give us the go-to scorer, but we could truly be the deepest team in the league next year if we can add 2-MLE level players to what we have.  Perhaps that depth, well managed, might keep us in the running for the next couple of years.

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« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2010, 11:06:28 AM »

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My biggest concern is the one that is not being talked about, KG.  I am not sure he can make it through a season at this point.  He hasn't made it through either of the last two.  This year they nursed him along all year and he still did not appear to be really 100% in the playoffs.

So how good are we really if KG has to coast through the reg season to have any chance of being around for the playoffs?  I am not sure what the answer is other than if you are not sure that KG will be robust next year, maybe we better blow it up.

Even with that, I don't see any trade with KG so that would really mean KG would have to retire with Sheed if we are going to do any significant rebuilding.  At this point it is hard to see that happening.

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Reading this makes me think that McHale will be hired this off season in a management position. Maybe as General Manager or Assistant Vice President but I think Danny and Kevin see a lot of things the same regarding the management of a team and McHale could really help out Danny so as to relieve some of the stress that the job is having on him. Then, when and if they need a Doc replacement or Danny replacement, McHale is in place.

McHale takes a lot of grief for his ending years in Minny bit he did a lot of good stuff there as well. His first 10 years there, with the exception of that idiotic Joe Smith move, were exceptional in my mind. He is also a very good coach and is said to be great with young talent.

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« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2010, 11:37:30 AM »

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This makes me smile.

Will Perk be healthy at the start of the season? I think is the biggest question

KG will be 1 year recovered from surgery.

I think we could definitely push for one more run.
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« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2010, 11:40:56 AM »

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McHale was really hamstrung by the Joe Smith situation and the KG massive contract from 2000-2004 where he was paid $28 million at the peak of it.

Didn't know that about the Ainge health issues. That worries me.

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« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2010, 12:53:16 PM »

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This makes me smile.

Will Perk be healthy at the start of the season? I think is the biggest question

KG will be 1 year recovered from surgery.

I think we could definitely push for one more run.

I would love to try for one more healthy season.   I know a lot of people want to blow up the team, but it would ease my mind greatly to bring the core back, including Doc, and try to find pieces that could fit in later as starters as the big three slows down...I don't think they have slowed down  from old age yet, just injuries, and with the summer to finish the recovery process, should be in good shape next year.  Perk is the big question mark now, but he is young and in good shape, hopefully he heals quickly.  I have missed all the latest news about Perk and don't know if his knee is a serious as they first thought.
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« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2010, 01:14:25 PM »

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I think there may be one more option, though...Scal will save us.  Trade Scal in a S&T with a non-guaranteed contract with a friendly buyout clause in year one, plus a 2011 draft pick for a MLE-level player.  Could the Wizards want to add a draft pick fairly cheap?  Probably.  Presto:  Mike Miller, without using the MLE, Scal picks up a random half-million before returning on a minimum contact, and we still have the MLE to use to add talent.


Nice idea, but I believe this is not allowed by the CBA.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q78

Players who are signed and traded must be signed first to a multi-year deal (single year deals are not allowable), of which the first year must be fully guaranteed.

Additionally, Mike Miller is a UFA. He himself would have to be resigned by Washington to be traded, and only after July 1 (e.g., after the draft).
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I think there may be one more option, though...Scal will save us.  Trade Scal in a S&T with a non-guaranteed contract with a friendly buyout clause in year one, plus a 2011 draft pick for a MLE-level player.  Could the Wizards want to add a draft pick fairly cheap?  Probably.  Presto:  Mike Miller, without using the MLE, Scal picks up a random half-million before returning on a minimum contact, and we still have the MLE to use to add talent.


Nice idea, but I believe this is not allowed by the CBA.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q78

Players who are signed and traded must be signed first to a multi-year deal (single year deals are not allowable), of which the first year must be fully guaranteed.

Additionally, Mike Miller is a UFA. He himself would have to be resigned by Washington to be traded, and only after July 1 (e.g., after the draft).

My understanding is that S&T deals have to be for at least 3 years with the first year guaranteed...but that doesn't mean the receiving team can't buy out the deal, including the first year, or just waive the player.  I don't believe there is any restriction on buyouts.  And I believe this might be a way to get a veteran for a draft pick while having the numbers match.

Lots of talk about Mike Miller and Travis Outlaw--anyone know whether their teams want to keep them, or where they might want to go?

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« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2010, 02:59:06 PM »

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Some good news. I like it! I'm so attached to our core guys I'd hate to see any of them leave. Hope this means a Perk extension is in the works.  

Love love the McHale idea. He can scout the coaching position while he's helping Danny. And pass on some tips to the young guys. Lord knows we need help in the post.

Hope Danny is OK and keeps taking care of himself. The craziness of the playoffs could not have been good for his health. Now that's over he can focus on reloading the roster.
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« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2010, 06:39:17 PM »

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Good read. I would love if these guys gave it one more run. Add some more size to contend with L.A massive frontline (maybe Shaq) and add another shooter to the bench (Miller or Reddick). Resign TA and Nate, let the bench play major minutes in the regular season to keep the starters rested, and i think we'll be in good shape to make a run.

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resign ray allen. draft a wing or a big with the 19th pick. rebuild the bench and get more athletic. beat orlando again

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My happiness includes some hesitancy considering how hard it was to watch our regular season. Will we have an even more mediocre regular season next year? That would mean a lot of regular season stress.