Why do we get no obvious fouls, flagrant fouls, or taunting calls?

[ScoobyDoo]

I understand the bump and grind, you get some calls, you loose some calls...we lost the call where Baby blocked Jameer's shot at the end of tonight's game. That wasn't a foul but Baby got called for it. I'm sure there were other calls we should have been whistled for but we didn't get whistled for them. That's the bump and grind of the game, I get that.

What I don't understand is:

1. No flgrant 2 on Howard in game two in Orlando.
2. No flgrant foul against Matt Barnes in game three against KG
3. No flgrant foul against Howard on Perkins tonight.

But here are the kickers for me...

Howard completley elbows KG in the face in the paint and then rakes him across the face as well. KG pushes him back as he's getting Howard's hands off his face. Result?

A)Technical foul on KG

Meanwhile, Howard is clapping & yelling while glaring at KG.

B)That's called taunting but alas, no technical foul on Howard.

Meanwhile...Barnes, who already shoved KG itno the stands in the last game, is going up to KG and putting his hands "into" an already very irritated KG's chest. KG knocks them Barnes hands away, which means he "clearly" does not want Barnes' hands on him. What does Barnes do? He approaches KG again with his hands into KG's chest.

C) That should also be a technical for taunting on Barnes.

There should have been a Tech on both Howard and Barnes, but nothing. KG, however is slapped with a tech. BS

Meanwhile, back at the farm...

Jameer Nelson is palying free safety at the end of the game. Body blocks Pierce....no foul.

These are just obvious fouls, ultra incedibly easy to call.

The Magic played hard and hats off to them but...

...there have been multiple highly antagonistic and hard flagrant type fouls against us with never a call.

These are not bump and grind fouls.

It really p---es me off that we are not getting any of these "obvious" calls.

[guava_wrench]

 

[MaxwellSmart86]

I understand the bump and grind, you get some calls, you loose some calls...we lost the call where Baby blocked Jameer's shot at the end of tonight's game. That wasn't a foul but Baby got called for it. I'm sure there were other calls we should have been whistled for but we didn't get whistled for them. That's the bump and grind of the game, I get that.

What I don't understand is:

1. No flgrant 2 on Howard in game two in Orlando.
2. No flgrant foul against Matt Barnes in game three against KG
3. No flgrant foul against Howard on Perkins tonight.

But here are the kickers for me...

Howard completley elbows KG in the face in the paint and then rakes him across the face as well. KG pushes him back as he's getting Howard's hands off his face. Result?

A)Technical foul on KG

Meanwhile, Howard is clapping & yelling while glaring at KG.

B)That's called taunting but alas, no technical foul on Howard.

Meanwhile...Barnes, who already shoved KG itno the stands in the last game, is going up to KG and putting his hands "into" an already very irritated KG's chest. KG knocks them Barnes hands away, which means he "clearly" does not want Barnes' hands on him. What does Barnes do? He approaches KG again with his hands into KG's chest.

C) That should also be a technical for taunting on Barnes.

There should have been a Tech on both Howard and Barnes, but nothing. KG, however is slapped with a tech. BS

Meanwhile, back at the farm...

Jameer Nelson is palying free safety at the end of the game. Body blocks Pierce....no foul.

These are just obvious fouls, ultra incedibly easy to call.

The Magic played hard and hats off to them but...

...there have been multiple highly antagonistic and hard flagrant type fouls against us with never a call.

These are not bump and grind fouls.

It really [pee]es me off that we are not getting any of these "obvious" calls.

I agree 100%...the Final 6 free throws the Magic got to end regulation were ALL CRAP calls...C's did NOTHING to get those calls on them---AND we were in the penalty---they hit 5/6 of the free throws---and we lose in OT...if they DON'T call the Tech on KG--we WIN...HORRIBLE Scott Foster in charge here.

[barefacedmonk]

The officiating has been pretty decent in this series....all the games have been called evenly. We can let one game slide even if we feel that we got robbed of some calls...although this game wasn't lost due to the refs....we'll win the next one..

[ScoobyDoo]

You know Guava wrench, I'm one of those guys you never want to play against on the court. I'm a nose to the court type of player. So instead of just posting a sarcastic face to my post, why don't you make an intelligent response rather than a Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. footed face. Or just don't  

The point is, I like good hard fought basketball. What I don't like is when the obvious fouls are not called. And that goes both ways, against Boston and for Boston. I want it called straight.

Barnes foul should've been a flagrant, it wasn't a basketball play, there was no play on the ball. Call it.

Call it when Howard elbows guys in the face, that's all.

If there is a taunting play, call it.

Very simple, call the game, call the plays.
  

[FallGuy]

The officiating has been pretty decent in this series....all the games have been called evenly. We can let one game slide even if we feel that we got robbed of some calls...although this game wasn't lost due to the refs....we'll win the next one..

Exactly right. Orlando won. Boston lost.

Refs haven't cost the Celtics a single game all playoffs.

[ScoobyDoo]

Agreed Maxwell.

And yeah Bareface, I have no real problem with the overall officiating for this series, it's been pretty good, actually.

My problem is when I see what to me are incredibly easy to call and very clearly flagrants where no play is made on the ball, or plays where taunting should be called and we get goose egg.

For the Barnes play on KG, if there's no flagrant 1, there should be at least a technical foul, minimum.

That's what I don't like, when obivous things aren't called. Even the foul on Perkins could slide but when you add them up and you get nothing on Barnes, nothing on Howard for elbowing KG, nothing on Barnes for pushing KG and nothing on Jameer for body blocking Pierce. It would be nice to get at least half those calls.

All the other stuff, they get some calls we get some calls.

I dont' see us getting soem real obvious, blatant calls. That I don't like.

[twinbree]

TP. These are excellent questions and I hope Doc sends the tapes to the league. Missing the regular personal calls OK we know we can't count on the refs to get those right always. But missing the Ts and the flagrant fouls is a problem.

The whole point of having them is to stop the chippiness from getting out of hand. Before that Barnes shove on KG last game he elbowed him going around the pick and that wasn't called. Now tonight a couple more questionable things let go. If one team feels they can get away with cheapshots and keeps at it how soon before someone on the other team explodes and does something rash? Hope the Celtics keep cool and calm next game and close it out with no Ts and no suspensions.

[mmbaby]

Scooby, excellent post, as usual. I couldn't have said it better myself, so thanks for doing it for me. The games are swayed toward the darling Dwight, media delight. But you know what? We're still going to beat the pants off them in the end and hopefully Dwight's elbow will hit the wrong bone of our players one of these times and get permanently jolted out of joint, and, hopefully, he will feel intense and excruciating pain there for many many months.

[ScoobyDoo]

Exactly Twinbree, probably said it better than I did.

1. The refs have genrally pretty good this series
2. You win som, you lose some calls, I get that.
3. The obvious stuff? We just aren't getting that and it means the refs are letting the Magic get away with some real cheap shots on our palyers.

Rake a guys arms hard, wrap him up hard on a host around the shoulders, no problem.

Shoving a guy over the player's bench while making zero play on the ball and no call opther than a foul? That's a problem.

[barefacedmonk]

My problem is when I see what to me are incredibly easy to call and very clearly flagrants where no play is made on the ball, or plays where taunting should be called and we get goose egg.

That's what I don't like, when obivous things aren't called.

I dont' see us getting soem real obvious, blatant calls. That I don't like.

I understand what you are saying...and I undestand that it can be frustrating....but then again, the refs called some ridiculous travel calls on JJR...it happens...personally, I hate all NBA refs...they officiate games like prima donnas...I like the NCAA refs better...they make better calls...but it is what it is...and this deep in playoffs...I don't want any of our players to rub an official the wrong way.....it can only hurt us.

[get_banners]

if nelson got FTs near the end on a clean block by baby, then his body blow into pierce should have absolutely been a foul. was it crazy? no. was it a foul? yes. if you give one team ticky tacky fouls down the stretch (including 2 FTs on a clean play by baby), you don't swallow your whistle the other way. pierce should have had 2 FTs to win the game. refs overall have been pretty good, but they were bad this game. and i know people say refs don't cost you games, but yeah, if they make the call against nelson at the end, game and series are over.

[Celtics Fan]

Get Banners,
David Stern was on the take tonight along with the pitiful officating. I could not agree with you more man. Let see how it goes in Orlando

[Beat LA]

Great post. 

For the record, I believe that all NBA officials are crooked - especially when it comes to the players that David Stern (hate that guy) loves (LeBron, Kobe, Dwight, Wade, etc). 

Maybe I've been listening to Tommy for too long (since 2004-05), but it seems to me that the league has it out for us (and perhaps has always had it out for us).  Now, before you dismiss me as an idiotic homer, I'd just like to say that I watch a lot of games with my mom - who hated the Celtics in the 70s and 80s - and even she can no longer ignore the fact that we always seem to get the short end of the deal.  You know, sometimes I try to rewatch the games online and look at the contest with objectivity, and the end result is still the same, so I don't know what to say anymore.

I've also given up on trying to figure out what a foul is and is not; the calls vary from game to game over the course of the 82 game schedule, and then become totally mystifying during the postseason.  I wish that it was called the same way all year long.  Also, it's always funny to me that all that coaches and players are looking for from the referees is consistency.  Maybe it's just me, but I don't want consistency, I want the CONSISTENT enforcement of the rules stated in the rule book.  When the coaches and players say that all they're looking for is consistency from the officials, it sounds like the quote from someone in the distant past about the Supreme Court and the law (I'm paraphrasing): the law is what the Supreme Court says it is.  Someone needs to say that in the NBA, the rules are what the officials say it is (from game to game).  It's ridiculous.  Anyway, that's my rant.

BTW, Howard should have been thrown out last night - that takedown of Perk was a blatant flagrant 2 (in addition to verbally taunting KG after impaling him with his elbow); factor in his flagrant foul on Pierce in Game 2 (for which he should have thrown out and suspended), along with his malicious elbows last night, and he should be suspended from Game 5.  That punk Barnes should have been called for a technical as well, especially in light of his altercation with Garnett in Game 3 that also should have been a flagrant - I'm surprised that the refs didn't call a charge on Garnett when he was pushed into SVG (although it looked like Stan was moving, but we'll never get that call  ).  I mean god, at least McHale only clotheslined Rambis once  .

[CoachCowens]

My problem is when I see what to me are incredibly easy to call and very clearly flagrants where no play is made on the ball, or plays where taunting should be called and we get goose egg.

That's what I don't like, when obivous things aren't called.

I dont' see us getting soem real obvious, blatant calls. That I don't like.

I understand what you are saying...and I undestand that it can be frustrating....but then again, the refs called some ridiculous travel calls on JJR...it happens...personally, I hate all NBA refs...they officiate games like prima donnas...I like the NCAA refs better...they make better calls...but it is what it is...and this deep in playoffs...I don't want any of our players to rub an official the wrong way.....it can only hurt us.

The officiating wasn't good but it wasn't as bad as we have seen in the past. The C's had a couple bogus traveling calls too that canceled out JJ's. In the end the Magic got the calls, the lucky shots and the C's couldn't sustain a rhythm.