Why do we get no obvious fouls, flagrant fouls, or taunting calls?

[bleedinggreen34]

I'm not trying to be a conspiracy theorist here, but...the refs were brutally against us to an absurd level in the first few Cavs games.  Then, it becomes apparent King Lebron has no hope, and the refs swing to our favor.  They remain in our favor until last nite when the Magic get a bunch of huge gift calls in order to avoid a sweep.

I think its probably a coincidence - mostly to do with home court, ref relationships w/ players and existing biases, etc.  But I thought I'd tempt the conspiracy crowd.

[Jon Niednagel]

I agree with Coach C and others. This has been a pretty fair series in terms of officiating, and I can't blame them for last night. That said, I do think officials are more reserved about calling fouls on Howard now after all the media hoopla about him receiving excessive whistles in the first two playoff series.

[celts55]

The biggest problem I had with the refs was that it seem the debatable (to be kind) calls went against the Celtics at the end. There was one where I tink it was Rondo stripped Nelson and they called a foul on pierce who was behind him, and of course the Davis clean block.
That being said, Reddick didn't travel everytime they called it. Carter was hit hard on the arm when he went to jam it. I could go on. It was the timing of the calls against the Celts that made it seem worse than it was.

[wdleehi]

Celtics didn't lose because of the officials. 


They lost because they didn't play good offense last night. 

[Fafnir]

Celtics didn't lose because of the officials. 


They lost because they didn't play good offense last night. 

They also defended poorly in the first quarter. Turnovers in the fourth quarter also cost us an opportunity to win. The good news is that being up 3-0 in a series allows for some error.

[papa shuttlesworth]

Both teams played hard.

[Manzana]

Calls are made and missed. What irked me is that it feels like Howard camps down in the paint for half of the shot clock. Am I the only one seeing this, or am I just being a whiny Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.. I know that traveling is hardly ever called.. so I don't expect them to call 3-seconds on Howard, but man, the guy just lives in the paint and he camps out there all night. Crying stopped. Moving on.

[ScoobyDoo]

Exactly Beat LA, this is what I'm talking about.

I actually do think the refereeing has been fine overall for this series. They've gotten some bad calls and so have we. WE've gotten away with some calls and so have they. This is all the bump and grind game to me...I call it that because you get away with a few bumps here and there and so do they...

But if you're calling Baby's foul on Jameer, pls call the body block on Pierce.

But even these I can let go, you win soem you lose some on the calls. Fine.

But that crap where Dwight elbows KG and KG ends up with a technical. And where Barnes is putting his hands into KG's chest. I watched that again, Barnes does it like four times. KG keeps walking backwards away from him and Barnes just keeps at him. That should be a technical as well.

Just call the obvious stuff that's all. Call the foul on Barnes shoving KG out of bounds, give him a tech or a flagrant 1. That's all.

And another thing, all my buddies out here that are Laker fans, often admit we get hosed on calls alot, like the ones I'm talking about. Those are Laker fans saying that.

So this isn't a wine session. It's a simple request for the refs to just call the obvious calls.

You call the ticky tack on baby, call the body block by Jameer.

Whne someone shoves our guys out of bounds or Howard elbows our guys in the face...call it. Don't clal a technical on our guys for taking an elbow to the face.   

[Orlando4thewin]

NBA refs are like NASCAR at the end of games guys. They always want a green-white-checkered finish. Paul Pierce didn't even have full control of the ball when Jameer and him hit the floor battling for it. The Refs saw it as a fight for a loose ball...and let the play go. If Pierce had control of the ball and Nelson knocked him down with the ball...game over, Pierce knocks down the game winning FTs. Doc Rivers after the no call...looked over at the ref who was 5 feet away from the play and said: "That was a good no call."

[Orlando4thewin]

By the way you guys sound like girls wanting technicals here and flagrants there. This is grown man basketball. Dwight's foul on Perkins was not a flagrant. It wasn't deliberate. You want a foul? The NBA does not allow retaliation. Retaliation will actually get people in more trouble than an initial movement/play. KG retaliated against Dwight after this hit on KG. Once again, watch that play and tell me Dwight calculated his hit. If you think so, I guess we'll never agree. I saw a hit that occured in the moment and it was unfortunate (but still a foul, I hear you there) ...but it was KG's response...a closed fist hit back. THAT...will make David Stern cry. David Stern is like you guys. He wants the NBA to become the WNBA. They will call flagrants on anything if you sissies get your way. Ever heard of the Bad Boy Pistons? Real basketball players? When REAL fouls were called. Just shut up with your I want taunting called here and a technical there. You sound like a little girl.

[Roy Hobbs]

By the way you guys sound like girls wanting technicals here and flagrants there. This is grown man basketball. Dwight's foul on Perkins was not a flagrant. It wasn't deliberate. You want a foul? The NBA does not allow retaliation. Retaliation will actually get people in more trouble than an initial movement/play. KG retaliated against Dwight after this hit on KG. Once again, watch that play and tell me Dwight calculated his hit. If you think so, I guess we'll never agree. I saw a hit that occured in the moment and it was unfortunate (but still a foul, I here you there) ...but it was KG's response...a closed fist hit back. THAT...will make David Stern cry. David Stern is like you guys. He wants the NBA to become the WNBA. They will call flagrants on anything if you sissies get your way. Ever heard of the Bad Boy Pistons? Real basketball players? When REAL fouls were called. Just shut up with your I want taunting called here and a technical there. You sound like a little girl.

Again, man...  calling Celtics fans "girls" isn't going to earn you a very long stay here.  Please give your opinions, but keep away from attacking Celtics fans.

[Orlando4thewin]

Again, man...  calling Celtics fans "girls" isn't going to earn you a very long stay here.  Please give your opinions, but keep away from attacking Celtics fans.
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Read your fellow forum members before me and tell me they don't sound like little girls. You sound like an intelligent person who enjoys basketball. These are grown men playing a game they are paid millions to play. Do you remember the NBA back in the days of the Bad Boy Pistons? Back when it was less about the fans seeing basketball that is "fun to watch" and more about basketball that involved real defense? Wanting all these fouls on plays where deliberate contact isn't there, (I'll give you Barnes on KG, but that is NOT a playoff flagrant 2) ...but Dwight Howard's fouls against C's players...they are not calculated DIRTY plays. Dirty plays are flagrant fouls.

[Orlando4thewin]

I mean Dwight and Perkins BOTH fell down on the play you all want a flagrant 2. He committed a flagrant 2 while falling to the floor with the man? Really? If I'm a Celtic fan, I'd like Dwight to stay on the floor to prove how much Orlando sucks with him in! Doesn't mean much to beat a team without the guy they call a superstar. Wouldn't you agree? If the Magic beat the Celtics without Paul Pierce...that wouldn't be much of a victory now would it?

[barefacedmonk]

By the way you guys sound like girls wanting technicals here and flagrants there. This is grown man basketball. Dwight's foul on Perkins was not a flagrant. It wasn't deliberate. You want a foul? The NBA does not allow retaliation. Retaliation will actually get people in more trouble than an initial movement/play. KG retaliated against Dwight after this hit on KG. Once again, watch that play and tell me Dwight calculated his hit. If you think so, I guess we'll never agree. I saw a hit that occured in the moment and it was unfortunate (but still a foul, I hear you there) ...but it was KG's response...a closed fist hit back. THAT...will make David Stern cry. David Stern is like you guys. He wants the NBA to become the WNBA. They will call flagrants on anything if you sissies get your way. Ever heard of the Bad Boy Pistons? Real basketball players? When REAL fouls were called. Just shut up with your I want taunting called here and a technical there. You sound like a little girl.

Little girls? Have you seen a certain 7 feet girl with steroid pumped biceps that whines all the time? Don't come around here trying to tell us its a "mans game". You really wouldn't like it everybody here manned up to you.....thankfully for you, the mods here do an excellent job and weed out "men" like you.

[xmuscularghandix]

Follow this.

ESPN, TNT, and the NBA want you as the average fan to "know" the following.

Kobe Bryant is the best player in the world. His team, The Lakers, are defending champions and are the best team in the world.

The Magic has the best record of the remaining teams, AND they lost last year in the finals so they're the 2nd best team.

The Celtics have come on strong in the playoffs and look like the team of two years ago, but not as good as the Lakers.

The Suns are prey sitting on the Lakers doorstep, they have no chance.



So then we have a few stories unfold.



Celtics are better, therefore The NBA has to switch it's marketing to better hype up another Boston/LA series.


But they still think the Lakers are better.


LA loses to Phoenix, and if Boston sweeps Orlando that would indirectly mean that Boston is the favorite in the finals....


can't have that.


no calls for you.








disclaimer: my heart is talking right now not my brain.