Anyone else want Delonte West back?

[Chris]

I would love to have Delonte here.  He's exactly the type of tough, hustle player that's so important to have on a bench.  He's a great shooter and good defender, and he could play backup PG.  In other words, he'd fill the roles of both Eddie House and Tony Allen combined.

I miss Delonte.  I wish there had been a way we could have moved Tony in the Ray deal, but it just wasn't realistic.

One can't question the basketball sense behind having West. But the kid's got issues, and at some point this will come back to bite his team.

delonte issues are extraseasonal
seems like they never affect team during regular season, nor playoffs.
Hes not even a distractor in the locker during basketball season
Do you see MVP night
they guy everyone loves with great chemistry carrying the camera and recording all the event
that was delonte
I am sure hes very well liked in the locker and his personal problems
( wich i am not saying dont exist) can be taken care of during offseason.



Edited: brendan knows too.

I don't know if this is true.  I am almost positive he missed a portion of the last two seasons dealing with his depression (or bipolar, or whatever it was).

And we all saw what risks come with a player who wrecklessly brandishes guns with both Gilbert Arenas, as well as numerous other athletes.

He is a good player, and may be a nice kid.  But he has a ton of red flags for anyone looking to give him millions of dollars.

If i am not wrong first year was like 20 games.
this year something like 13
I think.
Injuries and attitudes ( sheed) can make some players look a lot worst than him
I am not saying the kid is the next coming of 1992 danny manning
its just that people should be more objective when judging a gun incident
Of course i come from a country where everybody is armed and probably my
perspective is a LOT different than most of you.
but I wonder how many NBA athletes are gunned...and simply run without being noticed most of the times...

Well, I think we need to separate the judgement of the person, and the judgement of a good investment of a basketball player.

I know nothing about him as a person.  He is not a bad person for carrying guns, or from suffering from a mental illness.

However, those things do make him a significant risk to sign to a guaranteed contract to play basketball.  It is basically the same as signing someone who has a long history of injuries.  You simply cannot count on him being on the floor, because he has shown that his personal problems have gotten in the way of that in the past.

2008-09 CLE 64 33:42 
 2009-10 CLE 60 25:00 


this is a lot of time a game
and a lot of games a season for a risky 6th man

specially when the misses come for small injuries too.


BBD numbers for example

2008-09 BOS 76 21:30 
 2009-10 BOS 54 17:18

tony allens

2008-09 BOS 46 19:18 
 2009-10 BOS 54 16:30 

who is more usefull to his team,

But he missed games because of non basketball issues, for two consecutive seasons.  He was lucky that they happened to be at the beginning of the season, but perhaps next time they won't be.  Or next time, it will be more time. 

[Edgar]

I would love to have Delonte here.  He's exactly the type of tough, hustle player that's so important to have on a bench.  He's a great shooter and good defender, and he could play backup PG.  In other words, he'd fill the roles of both Eddie House and Tony Allen combined.

I miss Delonte.  I wish there had been a way we could have moved Tony in the Ray deal, but it just wasn't realistic.

One can't question the basketball sense behind having West. But the kid's got issues, and at some point this will come back to bite his team.

delonte issues are extraseasonal
seems like they never affect team during regular season, nor playoffs.
Hes not even a distractor in the locker during basketball season
Do you see MVP night
they guy everyone loves with great chemistry carrying the camera and recording all the event
that was delonte
I am sure hes very well liked in the locker and his personal problems
( wich i am not saying dont exist) can be taken care of during offseason.



Edited: brendan knows too.

I don't know if this is true.  I am almost positive he missed a portion of the last two seasons dealing with his depression (or bipolar, or whatever it was).

And we all saw what risks come with a player who wrecklessly brandishes guns with both Gilbert Arenas, as well as numerous other athletes.

He is a good player, and may be a nice kid.  But he has a ton of red flags for anyone looking to give him millions of dollars.

If i am not wrong first year was like 20 games.
this year something like 13
I think.
Injuries and attitudes ( sheed) can make some players look a lot worst than him
I am not saying the kid is the next coming of 1992 danny manning
its just that people should be more objective when judging a gun incident
Of course i come from a country where everybody is armed and probably my
perspective is a LOT different than most of you.
but I wonder how many NBA athletes are gunned...and simply run without being noticed most of the times...

Well, I think we need to separate the judgement of the person, and the judgement of a good investment of a basketball player.

I know nothing about him as a person.  He is not a bad person for carrying guns, or from suffering from a mental illness.

However, those things do make him a significant risk to sign to a guaranteed contract to play basketball.  It is basically the same as signing someone who has a long history of injuries.  You simply cannot count on him being on the floor, because he has shown that his personal problems have gotten in the way of that in the past.

2008-09 CLE 64 33:42 
 2009-10 CLE 60 25:00 


this is a lot of time a game
and a lot of games a season for a risky 6th man

specially when the misses come for small injuries too.


BBD numbers for example

2008-09 BOS 76 21:30 
 2009-10 BOS 54 17:18

tony allens

2008-09 BOS 46 19:18 
 2009-10 BOS 54 16:30 

who is more usefull to his team,

But he missed games because of non basketball issues, for two consecutive seasons.  He was lucky that they happened to be at the beginning of the season, but perhaps next time they won't be.  Or next time, it will be more time. 

maybe
maybe not
maybe he will learn his lesson after the incident and stop



or maybe Tony missed games because basketball issues
      He use to stink from time to time, those are the basketball issues
     

     BBD because non basketball issues
will miss games because he cries during a losing game, and coach will lose the respect on him.


who knows. i am just pointing the time they help last years
I feel absolutely uncapable of guessing what will happend next.But i have faith in him, for example, for what I saw on that press conference, for what i see in court.
Hes a better player than the other two. I want that for my team.
Of ourse I wanted that  the first time vin Baker came here and i was wrong.
so..anything could happend

[nickagneta]

If Delonte misses games due to illness or if a player misses games because of injury, what exactly is the difference?

Baby missed 27 games this year because he broke his thumb punching someone. Delonte missed 10 games while attending to his illness. Which was worse?

I don't see that Delonte's mental illness poses any more of a risk in signing him than does immaturity(Glen Davis), fragility and history of being injury prone(Marquis Daniels) or age and attitude(Rasheed Wallace).

[pearljammer10]

NO! Cavs can have, keep, and do whatever they want with him.

[Chris]

If Delonte misses games due to illness or if a player misses games because of injury, what exactly is the difference?

Baby missed 27 games this year because he broke his thumb punching someone. Delonte missed 10 games while attending to his illness. Which was worse?

I don't see that Delonte's mental illness poses any more of a risk in signing him than does immaturity(Glen Davis), fragility and history of being injury prone(Marquis Daniels) or age and attitude(Rasheed Wallace).

Well, I think signing Davis to a big contract is just as risky.

But the point is, it has happened twice now with Delonte.  That is a trend.  And it is different than a basketball injury, because of the nature of the problems.  Based on the problems he has had, I think there is a very decent chance that he does something to get suspended for a long period of time (or is in jail for a long period of time), or he is out with depression for a long period of time.

Either way, it is a huge red flag.

If we are talking about giving him $2 million a year, fine, then you take the risk.  If you are talking about giving him close to the entire MLE, then its a completely different story.

[FatjohnReturns]

If Delonte misses games due to illness or if a player misses games because of injury, what exactly is the difference?

Baby missed 27 games this year because he broke his thumb punching someone. Delonte missed 10 games while attending to his illness. Which was worse?

I don't see that Delonte's mental illness poses any more of a risk in signing him than does immaturity(Glen Davis), fragility and history of being injury prone(Marquis Daniels) or age and attitude(Rasheed Wallace).

yup totally agree tp.

[Evantime34]

I loved Delonte when he was hear and we stunk. I like Delonte now that he is gone (but I hate his team). If he came back and played a bench role I would love him more than the first time.

Players who play with intensity and passion can always play for my teams.

Pending Edgar's aproval: Evan also knows.

[nickagneta]

If Delonte misses games due to illness or if a player misses games because of injury, what exactly is the difference?

Baby missed 27 games this year because he broke his thumb punching someone. Delonte missed 10 games while attending to his illness. Which was worse?

I don't see that Delonte's mental illness poses any more of a risk in signing him than does immaturity(Glen Davis), fragility and history of being injury prone(Marquis Daniels) or age and attitude(Rasheed Wallace).

Well, I think signing Davis to a big contract is just as risky.

But the point is, it has happened twice now with Delonte.  That is a trend.  And it is different than a basketball injury, because of the nature of the problems.  Based on the problems he has had, I think there is a very decent chance that he does something to get suspended for a long period of time (or is in jail for a long period of time), or he is out with depression for a long period of time.

Either way, it is a huge red flag.

If we are talking about giving him $2 million a year, fine, then you take the risk.  If you are talking about giving him close to the entire MLE, then its a completely different story.

Or Delonte has finally found the right combination of psychotropic drugs and is stable and it will never happen again.

Mental illness is like any other illness. Take the proper medication and it can be kept under control. I'm not so sure you can take a pill to cure what ails Baby's immaturity, Daniels fragility, Rasheed's age or Tony's BBIQ.

[Bankshot]

If Delonte misses games due to illness or if a player misses games because of injury, what exactly is the difference?

Baby missed 27 games this year because he broke his thumb punching someone. Delonte missed 10 games while attending to his illness. Which was worse?

I don't see that Delonte's mental illness poses any more of a risk in signing him than does immaturity(Glen Davis), fragility and history of being injury prone(Marquis Daniels) or age and attitude(Rasheed Wallace).

Well, I think signing Davis to a big contract is just as risky.

But the point is, it has happened twice now with Delonte.  That is a trend.  And it is different than a basketball injury, because of the nature of the problems.  Based on the problems he has had, I think there is a very decent chance that he does something to get suspended for a long period of time (or is in jail for a long period of time), or he is out with depression for a long period of time.

Either way, it is a huge red flag.

If we are talking about giving him $2 million a year, fine, then you take the risk.  If you are talking about giving him close to the entire MLE, then its a completely different story.

Or Delonte has finally found the right combination of psychotropic drugs and is stable and it will never happen again.

Mental illness is like any other illness. Take the proper medication and it can be kept under control. I'm not so sure you can take a pill to cure what ails Baby's immaturity, Daniels fragility, Rasheed's age or Tony's BBIQ.

Well I'd rather have Baby on this team.  I don't want a point guard that's not a point guard and a 2 guard that's too small to guard most 2 guards. Delonte is still not a good ballhandler. No thanks.

[chelsearules]

no

[Edgar]

I loved Delonte when he was hear and we stunk. I like Delonte now that he is gone (but I hate his team). If he came back and played a bench role I would love him more than the first time.

Players who play with intensity and passion can always play for my teams.

Pending Edgar's aproval: Evan also knows.

he does.

and nick too

[Edgar]

If Delonte misses games due to illness or if a player misses games because of injury, what exactly is the difference?

Baby missed 27 games this year because he broke his thumb punching someone. Delonte missed 10 games while attending to his illness. Which was worse?

I don't see that Delonte's mental illness poses any more of a risk in signing him than does immaturity(Glen Davis), fragility and history of being injury prone(Marquis Daniels) or age and attitude(Rasheed Wallace).

Well, I think signing Davis to a big contract is just as risky.

But the point is, it has happened twice now with Delonte.  That is a trend.  And it is different than a basketball injury, because of the nature of the problems.  Based on the problems he has had, I think there is a very decent chance that he does something to get suspended for a long period of time (or is in jail for a long period of time), or he is out with depression for a long period of time.

Either way, it is a huge red flag.

If we are talking about giving him $2 million a year, fine, then you take the risk.  If you are talking about giving him close to the entire MLE, then its a completely different story.

Or Delonte has finally found the right combination of psychotropic drugs and is stable and it will never happen again.

Mental illness is like any other illness. Take the proper medication and it can be kept under control. I'm not so sure you can take a pill to cure what ails Baby's immaturity, Daniels fragility, Rasheed's age or Tony's BBIQ.

Well I'd rather have Baby on this team.  I don't want a point guard that's not a point guard and a 2 guard that's too small to guard most 2 guards. Delonte is still not a good ballhandler. No thanks.

well
feel free to disagree for a tweener that gets blocked most of the time
and isnt a shooter

[Chris]

If Delonte misses games due to illness or if a player misses games because of injury, what exactly is the difference?

Baby missed 27 games this year because he broke his thumb punching someone. Delonte missed 10 games while attending to his illness. Which was worse?

I don't see that Delonte's mental illness poses any more of a risk in signing him than does immaturity(Glen Davis), fragility and history of being injury prone(Marquis Daniels) or age and attitude(Rasheed Wallace).

Well, I think signing Davis to a big contract is just as risky.

But the point is, it has happened twice now with Delonte.  That is a trend.  And it is different than a basketball injury, because of the nature of the problems.  Based on the problems he has had, I think there is a very decent chance that he does something to get suspended for a long period of time (or is in jail for a long period of time), or he is out with depression for a long period of time.

Either way, it is a huge red flag.

If we are talking about giving him $2 million a year, fine, then you take the risk.  If you are talking about giving him close to the entire MLE, then its a completely different story.

Or Delonte has finally found the right combination of psychotropic drugs and is stable and it will never happen again.

Mental illness is like any other illness. Take the proper medication and it can be kept under control. I'm not so sure you can take a pill to cure what ails Baby's immaturity, Daniels fragility, Rasheed's age or Tony's BBIQ.

If that's the case, then that's different (although those things can change quickly...drugs can stop working as quickly as they start). 

But based on what I know...that he has missed games in two straight seasons because of depression, and has pending legal charges for having unlicensed firearms, I would prefer to look elsewhere with the C's MLE. 

If he is willing to sign for the LLE like Daniels, then great, I am all for it.  If he were already the posession of the C's, so they could sign him with bird rights like Davis or Allen, then great.  But just because Rasheed Wallace tricked them into thinking he was not completely cooked does not mean they should take a risk of signing West, when there will likely be guys just as talented available, who do not have the red flags.

[Who]

I didn't appreciate Delonte when he was here in Boston ... but I have been very impressed with his level of play since joining the Cavaliers.

I would love to have him back here and become the first guard off the bench.

[Who]

If Delonte misses games due to illness or if a player misses games because of injury, what exactly is the difference?

Baby missed 27 games this year because he broke his thumb punching someone. Delonte missed 10 games while attending to his illness. Which was worse?

I don't see that Delonte's mental illness poses any more of a risk in signing him than does immaturity(Glen Davis), fragility and history of being injury prone(Marquis Daniels) or age and attitude(Rasheed Wallace).

Well, I think signing Davis to a big contract is just as risky.

But the point is, it has happened twice now with Delonte.  That is a trend.  And it is different than a basketball injury, because of the nature of the problems.  Based on the problems he has had, I think there is a very decent chance that he does something to get suspended for a long period of time (or is in jail for a long period of time), or he is out with depression for a long period of time.

Either way, it is a huge red flag.

If we are talking about giving him $2 million a year, fine, then you take the risk.  If you are talking about giving him close to the entire MLE, then its a completely different story.

Generally speaking, I am fine with Delonte earning an MLE contract ... but I don't think there are enough minutes available here to justify the Celtics giving him that type of money.