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The Sheed Solution!!!
« on: May 03, 2010, 12:15:33 PM »

Offline fanofgreen

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Here is what I have always thought Doc should've done with Rasheed from the very start....and what I would have done with Sheed.

the problem with Sheed is that he just wants to be another player out on the floor,the issue is; he is way to good to just be 'another player'. So since he's been in Boston he has been allowed to just be another player on the floor.

From the very start, he was allowed to drift around the 3pt. line,.....he was allowed to give less than 60% in the effort category.......he was allowed to do a host of other non-productive things, altogther,he was allowed to just be another player out on the floor.


WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN WITH SHEED, IS THIS....HERE'S THE SOLUTION:
The second Sheed checks into the game. the next 3 offensive possessions have to be, Sheed down on the block!

THats It! no matter what, automatically, nothing else is allowed to happen offensively, until Sheed takes 3 straight shots in the post.

If this were to happen, I guaranSHEED, that Sheed would actually become a factor, and would be engaged into the game, and would start caring, and would play with effort, and start playing defense,and start being a threat.

I dont understand how coaches have just ignored, or didnt notice, the fact the a player like sheed, you have to force-feed him the ball, even if he doesn't want it or doesn't accept it.

If sheed knew he was going to get the next 3 offensive possessions in the post, once he checked into the game, this is what  would happen:

Sheed would post-up score all 3 times - get 6 points
Sheed would post up maybe get fouled,and-1 maybe more than 6pts
Sheed would start drawing dbl. teams, opening it up for others
and than
After the 3 post-ups, sheed would go back to the perimeter and drift, and being just another player out on the floor.

So essentially you are going to get more out of Rasheed in just those 3 possessions, than you would had you let him, just check into the game with no agenda for 20-25 mins.

Doc needs to force-feed Sheed whether he likes it or not. Make it a rule, that when sheed checks into the game, no other plays are allowed to be ran until Sheed gets 3 good post-ups, and something productive happens.

You have got to put the pressure on Sheed, the entire weight of the team on Sheed, in those 3 possessions, and once those 3 post ups are done, then Rasheed is allowed to roam, and drift as much as he wants.

Re: The Sheed Solution!!!
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2010, 12:24:10 PM »

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Yea totally agree. Sheed on the box posting up is a good possesion. He will score or draw the foul with regularity. tp

Re: The Sheed Solution!!!
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2010, 12:25:35 PM »

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If Doc and the players felt it were really that "guaranSHEED," they'd be doing it by now.  

The fact that they don't go to Sheed on the low block very often has to be because they don't see that as their best option when he's on the floor.  I trust that because they see more of him than we do.

I think with this team your offense comes with your defense.  If you play good defense, then you're rewarded with offensive play calling and things tend to work out for you on the offensive end.  If you're a liability on defense, you're probably going to be dead weight on offense, too.  That's what we've seen with both Rasheed and Nate Robinson.
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Re: The Sheed Solution!!!
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2010, 12:29:47 PM »

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 The C's forced the ball to Sheed in the post in the third on Saturday, and he couldn't hit anything.  Offensively, they know what they need him to do, and they have been trying, but he was a failure. 

Defensively, I don't think he was terrible on Saturday.  He struggled against the quicker guys because he is slow, and should never be covering them.  However, his help defense was decent, and he was absolutely trying.

The problem is, Sheed is cooked, and now is really only good as a low post defender against other slow guys, and the occasional low post move offensively. 

Re: The Sheed Solution!!!
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2010, 12:36:41 PM »

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If Doc and the players felt it were really that "guaranSHEED," they'd be doing it by now.  

The fact that they don't go to Sheed on the low block very often has to be because they don't see that as their best option when he's on the floor.  I trust that because they see more of him than we do.

I think with this team your offense comes with your defense.  If you play good defense, then you're rewarded with offensive play calling and things tend to work out for you on the offensive end.  If you're a liability on defense, you're probably going to be dead weight on offense, too.  That's what we've seen with both Rasheed and Nate Robinson.

I will have to respectfully disagree.

first of all, because I'm not gonna put any trust in faith in what Doc and the players "FEEL" is right,  (based off the reg. season, I hope i dont think I should have to explain my reasoning behind that statement)

Second: The fact that Sheed on the low-block not being seen as their best option while he is on the floor??  really?!?!?
so i take it you are totally satisfied with his shot selection and field goal percentages then.

I mean, even when sheed was in Portland, Mike Dunleavy and Scottie Pippen had to get on Rasheed, and force feed him on the block at times, and that was at the height of his career, he wanted to drift around back then......so if there was any time to force feed Sheed on the block, it would be now at this point of his career.

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« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2010, 12:38:25 PM »

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The C's forced the ball to Sheed in the post in the third on Saturday, and he couldn't hit anything.  Offensively, they know what they need him to do, and they have been trying, but he was a failure. 

Defensively, I don't think he was terrible on Saturday.  He struggled against the quicker guys because he is slow, and should never be covering them.  However, his help defense was decent, and he was absolutely trying.

The problem is, Sheed is cooked, and now is really only good as a low post defender against other slow guys, and the occasional low post move offensively. 

They went to him twice, and he nearly made both of them, and he got good position, and looked like he was about to get into a rhythm, and then they went away from him.

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« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2010, 12:40:17 PM »

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The C's forced the ball to Sheed in the post in the third on Saturday, and he couldn't hit anything.  Offensively, they know what they need him to do, and they have been trying, but he was a failure. 

Defensively, I don't think he was terrible on Saturday.  He struggled against the quicker guys because he is slow, and should never be covering them.  However, his help defense was decent, and he was absolutely trying.

The problem is, Sheed is cooked, and now is really only good as a low post defender against other slow guys, and the occasional low post move offensively. 

They went to him twice, and he nearly made both of them, and he got good position, and looked like he was about to get into a rhythm, and then they went away from him.

Well, those two misses were not THAT close (I thought it was 3, but I'll check on that), and more importantly, they were in the middle of a major run by the Cavs, when they couldn't afford NOT to score.  If Wallace was not hitting those shots, then they couldn't afford to continue feeding him.

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« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2010, 12:41:14 PM »

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The C's forced the ball to Sheed in the post in the third on Saturday, and he couldn't hit anything.  Offensively, they know what they need him to do, and they have been trying, but he was a failure. 

Defensively, I don't think he was terrible on Saturday.  He struggled against the quicker guys because he is slow, and should never be covering them.  However, his help defense was decent, and he was absolutely trying.

The problem is, Sheed is cooked, and now is really only good as a low post defender against other slow guys, and the occasional low post move offensively. 

They went to him twice, and he nearly made both of them, and he got good position, and looked like he was about to get into a rhythm, and then they went away from him.
He made nice moves then blew wide open layups.

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« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2010, 12:47:31 PM »

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I have a better solution: Trade him for a 2nd rounder or buy him out. Problem fixed.

Re: The Sheed Solution!!!
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2010, 12:49:22 PM »

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My thing is, and focus is on the 'mindset'.

If Rasheed knew, IF everyone knew, that the first 3 possessions from when he checks into the game, were going to be him on the block....he would produce. guarantee it.

Right now Rasheed has the mindset, that he can go out there and drift, and  just be out their, so thats what he executes, and he does it very well.

If we translate that mindset into 3 low-block post ups, once he checks in, I believe he would execute that just as well as he executes, he's current mindset, of just being another player out on the floor.

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« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2010, 12:54:55 PM »

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The Sheed solution:



Problem solved. ;)

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Re: The Sheed Solution!!!
« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2010, 12:57:46 PM »

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I don't condone violence and I really do not want this to happen, but the most productivity you will see out of Sheed this year is if he hits LeBron hard in the elbow.

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Is there an undo button?