Celtics Summer Game Plan

[Mr October]

Oh man, I love talking about off season plans... but right now I want threads like these to remain quiet. Shhhhhhhhhh....

Why don't we trade -Shhh!
How about we sign - Shhhh!!!!
Lets - Shhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!

We're still playing in the most exciting series of the playoffs! And I am way to anxious to look beyond Tuesday's game!!! 

In all seriousness I bet threads like these help you compensate with your own game 5 anxiety. 

Each to their own! Go Celtics!!!

[wiley]

Oh man, I love talking about off season plans... but right now I want threads like these to remain quiet. Shhhhhhhhhh....

Why don't we trade -Shhh!
How about we sign - Shhhh!!!!
Lets - Shhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!

We're still playing in the most exciting series of the playoffs! And I am way to anxious to look beyond Tuesday's game!!! 

In all seriousness I bet threads like these help you compensate with your own game 5 anxiety. 

Each to their own! Go Celtics!!!

You nailed it! Wish I knew what I was talking about....then I'd be killing two birds with one stone!

[slamtheking]

Teams willing to do a sign and trade for Ray Allen and why:

Dallas - they only had their core together for 2 months and given the inflexibility of their contract situation the Mavs might want to sign a real honest to goodness 2-guard that can hit the outside shot. A Jason Terry and future first round pick (say 2012 or 2013) for Ray Allen could work. Dallas gets their real SG and Boston gets a fantastic combo guard to come off the bench for 2 years. They could then offer Mike Miller their MLE.

Rondo/Terry/2nd round pick
Miller/Terry/Tony
Pierce/1st round pick
KG/Baby/Shelden
Perk/Rasheed

Chicago Bulls - after missing out on Joe Johnson, Lebron, Wade and Bosh the Bulls sign Carlos Boozer. Realizing they need help at the 2 guard to make a real push they trade Kurt Hinrich, Taj Gibson and a future 2nd round pick to Boston for a sign and trade of Ray Allen. The Celtics then once again sign Mike Miller with the MLE and have

Rondo/Hinrich
Miller/Tony/Hinrich
Pierce/1st round pick/2nd round pick
KG/Taj Gibson/Rasheed
Perk/Baby/Rasheed

Utah Jazz - after getting swept out of the playoffs by LA realize they can't win a championship with role players at the SF and SG positions. So they trade Andrei Kirilenko and Wes Matthews to the Celtics for Rasheed Wallace and a sign and trade Ray Allen. C's once again give the MLE to Miller.

Rondo/Tony/2nd round pick
Miller/Tony/Matthews
Pierce/Kirilenko
KG/1st round pick/Shelden
Perk/Baby

I'm sure there are others and I am also sure that people will think these scenarios unlikely but they do show that depending on what happens, Ray Allen as a sign and trade could become a valuable commodity

TP for some intriguing thoughts on it.  None of them are unreasonable should a S&T occur.  Not bad deals for the C's and any of the teams involved.

[D Dub]

I'd re-sign Ray Allen and run back the same starting lineup next year.  Ray's play just has flat-out not dropped off with age.  
You've got Pierce, KG & Rondo under contract anyways - so why not?

The following offseason we'll be able to parlay Sheed/KG into something better than 6th man type guys, and Ray will still be a solid contributor off the bench.

In that scenario, maybe we only win one or two playoff rounds next year and have to wait until the following year to reload for another title push, but that is a scenario that this Celtic fan will take all day long.

  

[Brendan]

I'd re-sign Ray Allen and run back the same starting lineup next year.  Ray's play just has flat-out not dropped off with age.  
You've got Pierce, KG & Rondo under contract anyways - so why not?

The following offseason we'll be able to parlay Sheed/KG into something better than 6th man type guys, and Ray will still be a solid contributor off the bench.

In that scenario, maybe we only win one or two playoff rounds next year and have to wait until the following year to reload for another title push, but that is a scenario that this Celtic fan will take all day long.

  

Take out emotions and trading Pierce makes more sense in my opinion, then trading Ray.

Obviously this wouldn't work with the CBA - at least I think not - Pierce and Rasheed to Philly for AI and Dalembert. Pierce opts out. Signs with C's for Max MLE.

Rondo / Backup PG
Ray / Pierce
AIv2 / Pierce
KG / BBD
Perk / Dalembert

[BballTim]

I'd re-sign Ray Allen and run back the same starting lineup next year.  Ray's play just has flat-out not dropped off with age.  
You've got Pierce, KG & Rondo under contract anyways - so why not?

The following offseason we'll be able to parlay Sheed/KG into something better than 6th man type guys, and Ray will still be a solid contributor off the bench.

In that scenario, maybe we only win one or two playoff rounds next year and have to wait until the following year to reload for another title push, but that is a scenario that this Celtic fan will take all day long.

  

Take out emotions and trading Pierce makes more sense in my opinion, then trading Ray.

Obviously this wouldn't work with the CBA - at least I think not - Pierce and Rasheed to Philly for AI and Dalembert. Pierce opts out. Signs with C's for Max MLE.

Rondo / Backup PG
Ray / Pierce
AIv2 / Pierce
KG / BBD
Perk / Dalembert

  Interesting scenario, other than Paul giving up about $15M. If we could trade him before the option date on his contract, we'd probably have to wait until Xmas or so to re-sign him.

[PosImpos]

I'd re-sign Ray Allen and run back the same starting lineup next year.  Ray's play just has flat-out not dropped off with age.  
You've got Pierce, KG & Rondo under contract anyways - so why not?

The following offseason we'll be able to parlay Sheed/KG into something better than 6th man type guys, and Ray will still be a solid contributor off the bench.

In that scenario, maybe we only win one or two playoff rounds next year and have to wait until the following year to reload for another title push, but that is a scenario that this Celtic fan will take all day long.

  

Take out emotions and trading Pierce makes more sense in my opinion, then trading Ray.

Obviously this wouldn't work with the CBA - at least I think not - Pierce and Rasheed to Philly for AI and Dalembert. Pierce opts out. Signs with C's for Max MLE.

Rondo / Backup PG
Ray / Pierce
AIv2 / Pierce
KG / BBD
Perk / Dalembert

Not possible.  If we trade Pierce, he won't be able to come back.

[Brendan]

I'd re-sign Ray Allen and run back the same starting lineup next year.  Ray's play just has flat-out not dropped off with age.  
You've got Pierce, KG & Rondo under contract anyways - so why not?

The following offseason we'll be able to parlay Sheed/KG into something better than 6th man type guys, and Ray will still be a solid contributor off the bench.

In that scenario, maybe we only win one or two playoff rounds next year and have to wait until the following year to reload for another title push, but that is a scenario that this Celtic fan will take all day long.

  

Take out emotions and trading Pierce makes more sense in my opinion, then trading Ray.

Obviously this wouldn't work with the CBA - at least I think not - Pierce and Rasheed to Philly for AI and Dalembert. Pierce opts out. Signs with C's for Max MLE.

Rondo / Backup PG
Ray / Pierce
AIv2 / Pierce
KG / BBD
Perk / Dalembert

Not possible.  If we trade Pierce, he won't be able to come back.

Pierce would have to reject his ETO and then he could be traded to Philly. Philly could then buy him out. We could sign him 20 days later.

[PosImpos]

I'd re-sign Ray Allen and run back the same starting lineup next year.  Ray's play just has flat-out not dropped off with age.  
You've got Pierce, KG & Rondo under contract anyways - so why not?

The following offseason we'll be able to parlay Sheed/KG into something better than 6th man type guys, and Ray will still be a solid contributor off the bench.

In that scenario, maybe we only win one or two playoff rounds next year and have to wait until the following year to reload for another title push, but that is a scenario that this Celtic fan will take all day long.

  

Take out emotions and trading Pierce makes more sense in my opinion, then trading Ray.

Obviously this wouldn't work with the CBA - at least I think not - Pierce and Rasheed to Philly for AI and Dalembert. Pierce opts out. Signs with C's for Max MLE.

Rondo / Backup PG
Ray / Pierce
AIv2 / Pierce
KG / BBD
Perk / Dalembert

Not possible.  If we trade Pierce, he won't be able to come back.

Pierce would have to reject his ETO and then he could be traded to Philly. Philly could then buy him out. We could sign him 20 days later.

Not for anything better than the vet. minimum, since we'd be over the cap.  Plus, why the heck would Philly buy him out?  They trade their best player and then buy out the guy they get back, who by the way is still a very solid player? 

Makes no sense whatsoever.

[Change]

No offense. I'm glad none of you are the GM. Danny would lol reading some of these suggestions. Trading Pierce is the ultimate disrespect (only a bandwagoner would suggest this). Where was this when he destroying the HEAT a series ago. You can't just throw players together and expect a team to jell. It takes years to build chemistry. At least be realistic with the ideas.

[GreenFaith1819]

I'd re-sign Ray Allen and run back the same starting lineup next year.  Ray's play just has flat-out not dropped off with age.  
You've got Pierce, KG & Rondo under contract anyways - so why not?

The following offseason we'll be able to parlay Sheed/KG into something better than 6th man type guys, and Ray will still be a solid contributor off the bench.

In that scenario, maybe we only win one or two playoff rounds next year and have to wait until the following year to reload for another title push, but that is a scenario that this Celtic fan will take all day long.

  

Very Interesting point you made about Ray's age and his game. I have to agree with you. His offense certainly hasn't dropped any, in my view at least.

He was rather inconsistent defensively during the course of the season - but IMO he has made up for that here in the Post-Season. He played decent defense on Dwayne Wade, and he has been Stellar Defensively on Lebron..no one will shut Lebron or Wade down, but Ray has played them both well in stretches. That's all I can ask for.

Bring em' back, Danny!

[FallGuy]

No offense. I'm glad none of you are the GM. Danny would lol reading some of these suggestions. Trading Pierce is the ultimate disrespect (only a bandwagoner would suggest this). Where was this when he destroying the HEAT a series ago. You can't just throw players together and expect a team to jell. It takes years to build chemistry. At least be realistic with the ideas.

Well, no offense but if you would never trade Pierce purely because it would be  disrespectful, I'm glad you're not the GM either.    Good GMs do not pay for previous performance or on the basis of emotional ties to a player.

[CoachBo]

Well, I definitely don't think you blow this thing up to 2005 levels this summer. Trading everyone - which will be harder than many of you seem to think - isn't the answer.

The most intelligent path is the pursuit of a bridge younger player to team with Rondo while you transition slowly out of this group. There are a number of ways to do that: I happen to advocate moving Perkins, since there are clearly going to be several clubs looking for a physical 5.

[GreenFaith1819]

Well, I just believe that our core will remain the same - as in our starting 5.

I have the Itch that Danny will do something special with that 19th pick - whether that means pair it with another player to move up..trade it to another team for a current NBA player..maybe someone will drop to us (A La Paul Pierce when he fell to us)...I don't know.

But I believe Danny has the plan. We'll get someone who can help us.

[misha]

We need to find a way to transform the big 3 to important role players come summer of 2012 with the suitable salaries. While getting there, Danny will add important pieces from the draft and small trades. Sure, we might not win the title during the next two years, but would benefit from that in a long run.