Sheed vs Williams - Glory vs Guts

[gar]

Sheed manages a -20 in 11 minutes of play. Brilliant!

[moiso]

I believe all the players like Barnes, McDyess, and Bass make MUCH less money than Sheed, so they really shouldn't be compared.  Compare Wallace to other guys making his money.  To do nothing.

[gar]

Agree that he will come in handy in certain matchups; but be should not be playing when teams go small. He gets abused. Better to have BBD and Shelden. Like when doc played BBD and Powe.

[kenmaine]

When the playoffs start, Rasheed is going to be really good.

TP, thanks for the laugh.
 
You distilled about a million ... posts into one sentence!

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[Edit.]  Please be careful about labeling other posters. -RH

[slamtheking]

I voted for Sheed.  Not because he's producing much or 'flipped his switch' for the playoffs but simply because he's big enough to back up Perk at Center where Shelden cannot. 

To be fair and honest (and I'm sure for some people here, delusional), his play has not absolutely stunk in this series.  It hasn't been great or even good, but it hasn't stunk.  He's filled the void in the middle when Perk goes out in a less substandard way than anticipated.  Granted, that's setting the bar really low but that's what I've come to expect from him this year. 

Do I hope he'll contribute some big game(s) in the playoffs?  absolutely.  Do I expect it?  not on your life.  If he can come in, hit a 2-3 post baskets a game, keep his man off the offensive glass and not cause turnovers on offense, I've come to accept that as a 'good' game for him.

I really do hope Danny can do something to move him this offseason but I dread that Sheed is here through at least the trading deadline of his last season if not his entire contract.

[Spilling Green Dye]

Just to clarify, it is possible to love the Celtics, cheer the Celtics, hope and pray the Celtics win it all and still believe deep down in your heart that one of their players is bad to the point of uselessness and think he's not going to do anything to help this team win.

I felt that way in 2008 about Tony Allen, that he was bad and really wouldn't do anything to help them win, and sure enough, he had maybe his worse year and he was pretty useless that post season. But the Celtics won.

It's possible it could be that way this year with Sheed. He's had maybe his worst year ever and he's been pretty useless this post season. But the C's are winning and that's what counts.

And for those criticizing Glen Davis as a weird way of defending Sheed by saying that Davis will suck one night and be great the next, well, doesn't that mean half the time he's good or great? Half the time Sheed isn't good or great. Looking over his year, he's been good or great for probably less than 15% of his games played. That's not good.

If Rasheed Wallace has been good only 15% of the year, then my review of Davis was off-base.  Why?  Because Davis had the worst regular season of anyone getting decent minutes.  So either Davis' lows were extremely low, or his highs weren't high or frequent.  I bring Davis into the equation b/c we are discussing big men off the bench for the Celtics, and the fact of the matter is we don't have an adequate big man off the bench.  At the very least, Rasheed has been consistent.  The only part of his game at this point that I'm disappointed in is that he doesn't rotate well and attempt to block a shot.  It's a big deal.

Rasheed is not a team player?  What are you basing this off of?  On offense he posts up and they rarely get it into him.  Next play down they call a high pick and roll, burn the clock down, and kick it out to him with 3 seconds left on the shot clock.  I haven't seen Rasheed take one bad shot these playoffs, discounting the end of shot clock ones he is forced into.  Our other big men, except for KG, make mistake after mistake under the hoop by traveling, getting blocked repeatedly, and not passing it out.  The only semblence of not being a team player that I can think of for Rasheed is that he doesn't take charges.  I wish he would, but I only see a few players doing it and I doubt that'll change anytime soon.  For the record, I think that's Davis' best attribute.. that he takes charges well.

[Spilling Green Dye]

Sheed manages a -20 in 11 minutes of play. Brilliant!

Did you not notice Davis' -22?  Its worth mentioning, b/c we are critiquing our big men off the bench.  We don't have a good one, and it could be a problem.

The only saving grace is that Rasheed plays very good defense on the likes of Howard and Shaq.  We don't need him to score, just play lockdown D. He can't rotate well, so his help D is out of the question.

[Spilling Green Dye]

I think the interesting question, or divide, here is this:

Have you determined that the Rasheed Wallace signing is a bust?

Group 1)  Adamantly say YES!  And they are intent on reminding you of this every chance they get.

Group 2)  To be determined.  I'm in this camp, and very few others are.  Until this post-season is over, IMO we can't make that final call.  We picked him up primarily for the post-season.  While he hasn't played well this post-season, there are a lot of games left.. including matchups that he was brought in for. 

I just find it so hard to believe that we have like a 90% subscription to group 1 on this board when this team is winning and the post-season is a ways from ending. 

[Chris]

When the playoffs start, Rasheed is going to be really good.

TP, thanks for the laugh.
 
You distilled about a million delusional posts into one sentence!

Just because someone disagrees with you, does not mean they are delusional.  There is no need to make personal attacks to make your point.

[Bankshot]

Sheed manages a -20 in 11 minutes of play. Brilliant!

Did you not notice Davis' -22?  Its worth mentioning, b/c we are critiquing our big men off the bench.  We don't have a good one, and it could be a problem.

The only saving grace is that Rasheed plays very good defense on the likes of Howard and Shaq.  We don't need him to score, just play lockdown D. He can't rotate well, so his help D is out of the question.

Yes, Davis was just as bad or worse in THAT game, but he has contributed in these playoffs and even helped win a game.  Can't say the same for Sheed... yet.

[Onslaught]

And even when Davis stinks it up I still feel like he's trying. I can forgive bad play if the guy gave some effort. But I've never seen any effort from Sheed.

[nickagneta]

Just to clarify, it is possible to love the Celtics, cheer the Celtics, hope and pray the Celtics win it all and still believe deep down in your heart that one of their players is bad to the point of uselessness and think he's not going to do anything to help this team win.

I felt that way in 2008 about Tony Allen, that he was bad and really wouldn't do anything to help them win, and sure enough, he had maybe his worse year and he was pretty useless that post season. But the Celtics won.

It's possible it could be that way this year with Sheed. He's had maybe his worst year ever and he's been pretty useless this post season. But the C's are winning and that's what counts.

And for those criticizing Glen Davis as a weird way of defending Sheed by saying that Davis will suck one night and be great the next, well, doesn't that mean half the time he's good or great? Half the time Sheed isn't good or great. Looking over his year, he's been good or great for probably less than 15% of his games played. That's not good.

Rasheed is not a team player?  What are you basing this off of? 

I give up. What am I basing it off?

I never said any such thing, so if you would kindly let me know why I think this is my opinion I would greatly appreciate it. Given that you are now putting words in my mouth you might as well go full tilt and put thoughts in my head!!

[Mr October]

vote: Rasheed

Yes he has been mostly a disappointment, but he will be needed against teams with bigger front lines.

And yes time is running out. If Sheed completely blows it, I will join the anti-sheed brigade.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

One thing that bothers me is how little people expect for their money.....does anyone here actually believe sheed COULD run the floor for 1/2 of the game...? I don't think he is in shape...! I don't think he could run the floor....FULL length 2 times without getting winded, I bet he couldn't beat Charles Barkley or Dick Bavetta..LOL....kidding on that part....But he can't keep up like he should..he isn't 55 you know.... He is, what...36...big deal, he SHOULD be able to run the floor and be under the rim or around the paint on almost every play...now i expect a lot of people to say it is ridiculous to expect a PAID, PRO ATHLETE to put out that kind of effort, as soon as you accept things like that, YOU are now the enabler, heck, next thing you'll be doing is getting used to getting nothing but someone's big retirement for your tax $$$.....(had to say that, sorry!).

[Bankshot]

One thing that bothers me is how little people expect for their money.....does anyone here actually believe sheed COULD run the floor for 1/2 of the game...? I don't think he is in shape...! I don't think he could run the floor....FULL length 2 times without getting winded, I bet he couldn't beat Charles Barkley or Dick Bavetta..LOL....kidding on that part....But he can't keep up like he should..he isn't 55 you know.... He is, what...36...big deal, he SHOULD be able to run the floor and be under the rim or around the paint on almost every play...now i expect a lot of people to say it is ridiculous to expect a PAID, PRO ATHLETE to put out that kind of effort, as soon as you accept things like that, YOU are now the enabler, heck, next thing you'll be doing is getting used to getting nothing but someone's big retirement for your tax $$$.....(had to say that, sorry!).

I agree.  Sheed is not too old to run the floor and hustle.  If he was too old, he'd be retired.