Sheed vs Williams - Glory vs Guts

[GreenFaith1819]

Well, the wonderful thing here is that everyone is entitled to an opinion.

[CelticHooligan3]

Vinnie tp I totally agree with you with your sheed statements. And for the record I don't think anyone is realistically sitting here blaming this loss on Sheed. I mean seriously that's beyond irrational.

The real issue is he went out of his way this entire year ( and even preseason ) to say the playoffs were where he'd shine the brightest. And make the most impact. And all his fans have echoed those sentiments. So I'm honestly just wanting an explanation of when this is going to happen. Cause I haven't seen it yet. And beleive me I want to. For his sake, for Dannys sake, and for us as fans. But I just don't see it. I could be wrong of course. And I'll happily admit it if I am.

But for the sake if discussion and this is NOT baiting. When do you guys realistically think he's gonna show up?? I'm honestly curious. Although I obviously have a different opinion. But for me anyways I need to hear the opposite side somtimes. Thanks guys.

[Onslaught]

I have no problem with the people that say Shelden is a bad player.

The problem is that Shelden doesn't make players around him worse, and Sheed does.

Shelden doesn't single handedly lose hard fought games. Sheed does, routinely, then complains to and about refs, bringing more ref hate on the Celts (which of course makes it harder for Shelden)

Shelden sometimes doesn't help win a game, but doesn't lose them.

Sheed is Toine, but not as likeable and not as thankful for his talent. He's basically a disrespect to the game

Thank you. TP for you.

[GreenFaith1819]

Vinnie tp I totally agree with you with your sheed statements. And for the record I don't think anyone is realistically sitting here blaming this loss on Sheed. I mean seriously that's beyond irrational.

The real issue is he went out of his way this entire year ( and even preseason ) to say the playoffs were where he'd shine the brightest. And make the most impact. And all his fans have echoed those sentiments. So I'm honestly just wanting an explanation of when this is going to happen. Cause I haven't seen it yet. And beleive me I want to. For his sake, for Dannys sake, and for us as fans. But I just don't see it. I could be wrong of course. And I'll happily admit it if I am.

But for the sake if discussion and this is NOT baiting. When do you guys realistically think he's gonna show up?? I'm honestly curious. Although I obviously have a different opinion. But for me anyways I need to hear the opposite side somtimes. Thanks guys.

Well, CH if he doesn't show up, then I am sure that Danny will address it in the offseason - or maybe he won't.

Or maybe Sheed Will show up against CLE - or maybe not.

I will believe that Sheed will help us, until the season is over and then I'll re-evaluate my thoughts on him.

Should I base my hope that Sheed will show up big based off of what he has done so far? That would be going off of what I see.

The game of Basketball deals with a whole lot more than what we see sometimes.

We don't know how the Celtics will play against CLE, CH. I believe that we have a great shot at an upset. We are playing well right now, without major help from Sheed. We could go as far as beating them without any production from Sheed. We just don't know.

As for me, I believe that Sheed and the Celtics Team will overcome CLE. But it will be a Team Effort.

The way The Celtics have Always done it.

[GreenFaith1819]

I have no problem with the people that say Shelden is a bad player.

The problem is that Shelden doesn't make players around him worse, and Sheed does.

Shelden doesn't single handedly lose hard fought games. Sheed does, routinely, then complains to and about refs, bringing more ref hate on the Celts (which of course makes it harder for Shelden)

Shelden sometimes doesn't help win a game, but doesn't lose them.

Sheed is Toine, but not as likeable and not as thankful for his talent. He's basically a disrespect to the game

So eja117 - do you believe Sheed is as big a disrespect to the game as when both Pierce and Toine had those bandages on their heads after that Pacers game in the playoffs a few years ago?

[rav123]

But neither has McDyess. Nor Gooden.

Matt Barnes and Brandon Bass have been solid additions for ORL, but we know that Danny didn't want another 6'7" or 6'8" player.

The Celtics will more than likely win on Tues. Wade will put up a valiant effort, but we should prevail. We'll meet CLE by end of the week, in CLE, and then I think we should start evaluating Sheed.

Concur. Sheed was the best available big. But we were also trying to get a backup SF - Danny tried for both Matt Barnes and Jamario Moon (S&T with Heat for Baby). However, since he wanted Sheed more, the MLE was spent there and we couldn't get a good backup SF (well, Marquis ought to have been).

Looking back, maybe we should have spent the LLE on an athletic/rebounding/defensive 7-footer (to be 4th big behind Baby), and split the MLE between a backup SF and an oversized backup PG (to complement Eddie House)

I also agree that we can only judge Sheed next series. He's;; show up when the playoffs start - right now, we aren't having any trouble with the Heat, and it's not necessary for Sheed to turn it on. Btw, Shelden is not that great. He's only marginally more athletic than Sheed or Baby (I saw Shelden miss two dunks in one of our games!), much less skilled offensively, only comparable defensively, hustles and equal amount to Baby (but more than Sheed) and Baby has rebounded as well as Shelden usually does so far.

[CelticHooligan3]

Greenfaith we agree on one thing. I ALSO beleive the team is playing well together right now. And are in a good position for a second round upset of Cleveland.

However that being said. I don't think the word team & Rasheed Wallace should ever be used together. Simply put he's not a team player. By all accounts the word from within was his stubborness has shocked some of his teammates. That's a nice way of saying he really doesn't fit in. I truly believe he's more of a detriment than anything. But once again I wish I was wrong about that.

But his effort even in his limited mins tells me otherwise. Which to me is quite ironic considering the fact this is the time of year when according to him and his aplogists he'd make the biggest impact. I personally just haven't seen it so far. Still crossing my fingers though.

[nickagneta]

Just to clarify, it is possible to love the Celtics, cheer the Celtics, hope and pray the Celtics win it all and still believe deep down in your heart that one of their players is bad to the point of uselessness and think he's not going to do anything to help this team win.

I felt that way in 2008 about Tony Allen, that he was bad and really wouldn't do anything to help them win, and sure enough, he had maybe his worse year and he was pretty useless that post season. But the Celtics won.

It's possible it could be that way this year with Sheed. He's had maybe his worst year ever and he's been pretty useless this post season. But the C's are winning and that's what counts.

And for those criticizing Glen Davis as a weird way of defending Sheed by saying that Davis will suck one night and be great the next, well, doesn't that mean half the time he's good or great? Half the time Sheed isn't good or great. Looking over his year, he's been good or great for probably less than 15% of his games played. That's not good.

[CelticHooligan3]

Well said Nick. TP!!

[GreenFaith1819]

Greenfaith we agree on one thing. I ALSO beleive the team is playing well together right now. And are in a good position for a second round upset of Cleveland.

However that being said. I don't think the word team & Rasheed Wallace should ever be used together. Simply put he's not a team player. By all accounts the word from within was his stubborness has shocked some of his teammates. That's a nice way of saying he really doesn't fit in. I truly believe he's more of a detriment than anything. But once again I wish I was wrong about that.

But his effort even in his limited mins tells me otherwise. Which to me is quite ironic considering the fact this is the time of year when according to him and his aplogists he'd make the biggest impact. I personally just haven't seen it so far. Still crossing my fingers though.

CH - First time I've heard of any of the Celtics saying he is a detriment or stubborn - is there an article somewhere in the Boston Herald about it?

Trust me - I am crossing my fingers, too. We certainly need all 6'11" of him against Shaq and Sideshow.

I believe he won't disappoint.

[Eja117]

Just to clarify, it is possible to love the Celtics, cheer the Celtics, hope and pray the Celtics win it all and still believe deep down in your heart that one of their players is bad to the point of uselessness and think he's not going to do anything to help this team win.

I felt that way in 2008 about Tony Allen, that he was bad and really wouldn't do anything to help them win, and sure enough, he had maybe his worse year and he was pretty useless that post season. But the Celtics won.

It's possible it could be that way this year with Sheed. He's had maybe his worst year ever and he's been pretty useless this post season. But the C's are winning and that's what counts.

And for those criticizing Glen Davis as a weird way of defending Sheed by saying that Davis will suck one night and be great the next, well, doesn't that mean half the time he's good or great? Half the time Sheed isn't good or great. Looking over his year, he's been good or great for probably less than 15% of his games played. That's not good.

Nick is on fire tonight

[GreenFaith1819]

Well, we've all made good points. I will maintain my stand until CLE (Or IF) CLE defeats us.

That's the joy of this game..just don't know how things will play out.

[nickagneta]

GF, I have to give you a TP every time I see you still defending and having faith that Sheed will still help because it's what I want to feel but just can't. So as long as you are doing that for both of us my friend, I'm good with that. And again, TP, you know like when karma runs out.

[CelticHooligan3]

Ya there was an article written about it like a couple weeks ago. Can't tell you by who or where. I'm sure someone else can pull it up. It was debated as to whether the article had and validity to it. I tend to beleive it does. I tend to think that the big three probably called him out earlier in the season due to his lack of effort & production. And Sheed being Sheed I bet he didn't take that so well. This is only my opinion of what I think MAY have happened. He was also said to be leading a posse of Marquis & Nate as well. While Rondo & Perk were together. The Big three & Fin dog were holding it down in that cliqe. And it remained to be seen where Baby & Shelden fit in. Prolly roaming lol  

[GreenFaith1819]

CH - the way this season hs played out, I certainly would not be surprised if what you say is true. And I wouldn't be surprised if it was false.

The Celtics, for the most part, have kept a tight lid on issues within the team. We probably won't know until after the season what really went on, just like we did last year.

I'm just believing that this will be in June, for us.