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Offline Fafnir

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Despite Doc's proclamation on the rotation, I have a strong feeling that Nate will win at least one play-off game for us.

In terms of evaluating the trade, though, the question has got to be will Nate win more playoff games for us than Eddie would have, right?

Because if Eddie and Nate are even, that means we threw in Walker for free, which doesn't seem to be great value.
This is true, I think the gamble that Nate would add more than Eddie was justified.

Offline MBunge

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I think Bill Walker and, to some extent, Nate are evidence of the messed up chemistry on this team and how Doc had handled it in almost completely the wrong way.  It's pretty clear that there's a conflict between the vets and the younger players over how the team should play and Doc has let it fester all season.

There were plenty of games where the vets were either banged up or giving crap effort and Walker, no matter how awful his defense, should have gotten some minutes.  Likewise, it seems obvious to me that Nate is feeling a lot of pressure to "fit in" when he's on the court, instead of being the offensive spark plug who comes in and tries to score in a hurry.  In both cases, Doc has refused to step in and take sides in this team's internal struggle.

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Despite Doc's proclamation on the rotation, I have a strong feeling that Nate will win at least one play-off game for us.

In terms of evaluating the trade, though, the question has got to be will Nate win more playoff games for us than Eddie would have, right?

Because if Eddie and Nate are even, that means we threw in Walker for free, which doesn't seem to be great value.

  Or, would Nate not lose as much as Eddie.

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I'm not any higher on Walker now that he has a chance to get minutes with the Knicks than I was when he didn't play for us.  In my opinion, he hasn't been that good with the Knicks, either.  He had a couple 20 point games early on, but he has leveled off.  The one thing that surprises me is his 3pt shooting, but his all around game is horrible.  He can't defend, pass, or rebound.  He's just not a very good player.

Offline Mr October

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D'Antoni suggested that the team's foundation consists of Danilo Gallinari(notes), Wilson Chandler(notes), Toney Douglas(notes) and Bill Walker(notes). "We're in a position to add two superstars or a lot of good players. We have to have a great summer.

Of course these four guys are part of the Knicks "foundation". Gallinari, Chandler, and Douglas are the only fully guaranteed contracts on their roster for next year, and Walker is a minimum-level contract. (Eddy Curry is under a player option, and likely will be back; while Sergio Rodriguez is an RFA.)

If Walker were making more than peanuts, I guarantee he'd be cut to free up even more cap space to land a free agent.

Yup.

For our playoff run right now, I'd rather have Robinson and Finley.

Bill Walkers are a dime a dozen. We'll get another young swing man this summer i'm sure.

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Good. I want all teams from NY to suck. And if this is how their going to go then it will help.
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"Foundation" for a team that has proven what in the past decade?
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If he's part of the foundation it's because they can get him for the minimum salary, which is all they'll have left to spend after they go on their shopping spree this summer.

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Just wanted to add that Scal was on the Foundation of this team. Does that make Scal a good player? No, it just made Scal a decent defender of mobile PFs that Danny overpaid and got stuck with after handing him a ridiculous contract.

If Bill is in the foundation of the Knicks it's probably because he is offensively minded and will come pathetically cheap, like probably 7 other members of their team next year.

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D'Antoni suggested that the team's foundation consists of Danilo Gallinari(notes), Wilson Chandler(notes), Toney Douglas(notes) and Bill Walker(notes). "We're in a position to add two superstars or a lot of good players. We have to have a great summer.

Of course these four guys are part of the Knicks "foundation". Gallinari, Chandler, and Douglas are the only fully guaranteed contracts on their roster for next year, and Walker is a minimum-level contract. (Eddy Curry is under a player option, and likely will be back; while Sergio Rodriguez is an RFA.)

If Walker were making more than peanuts, I guarantee he'd be cut to free up even more cap space to land a free agent.

Yup.

For our playoff run right now, I'd rather have Robinson and Finley.

Bill Walkers are a dime a dozen. We'll get another young swing man this summer i'm sure.

I don't think Bill Walker's a dime a dozen.  He's an unusually one-dimensional player who's pretty good at that one dimension, which is finishing.  He finishes open looks  at a very high rate.  If he can ever develop into a passable defender/rebounder, he'll be a very valuable role player.

That the non-rebounding, defenseless Mike Finley is getting time when Walker couldn't is somewhat confusing.
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Offline Tough Juice

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who cares about Bill Walker  ???

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D'Antoni suggested that the team's foundation consists of Danilo Gallinari(notes), Wilson Chandler(notes), Toney Douglas(notes) and Bill Walker(notes). "We're in a position to add two superstars or a lot of good players. We have to have a great summer.

Of course these four guys are part of the Knicks "foundation". Gallinari, Chandler, and Douglas are the only fully guaranteed contracts on their roster for next year, and Walker is a minimum-level contract. (Eddy Curry is under a player option, and likely will be back; while Sergio Rodriguez is an RFA.)

If Walker were making more than peanuts, I guarantee he'd be cut to free up even more cap space to land a free agent.

Yup.

For our playoff run right now, I'd rather have Robinson and Finley.

Bill Walkers are a dime a dozen. We'll get another young swing man this summer i'm sure.

1) Walker's not under contract next year. The team has an option on him. Same after next year;

2) You don't 'cut' guys in basketball. His salary counts the same if you do as if you keep him. This isn't football;

3) Mr. O, you're comments about swing players being a dime a dozen are a dime a dozen. Like a broken record. Do you ever say anything else about young SGs or SFs?
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Offline Spilling Green Dye

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If Bill Walker is part of your foundation then that doesn't speak highly of Walker... that speaks pathetically of the Knicks.  Thank goodness he's not part of our "foundation"

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D'Antoni suggested that the team's foundation consists of Danilo Gallinari(notes), Wilson Chandler(notes), Toney Douglas(notes) and Bill Walker(notes). "We're in a position to add two superstars or a lot of good players. We have to have a great summer.

Of course these four guys are part of the Knicks "foundation". Gallinari, Chandler, and Douglas are the only fully guaranteed contracts on their roster for next year, and Walker is a minimum-level contract. (Eddy Curry is under a player option, and likely will be back; while Sergio Rodriguez is an RFA.)

If Walker were making more than peanuts, I guarantee he'd be cut to free up even more cap space to land a free agent.

Yup.

For our playoff run right now, I'd rather have Robinson and Finley.

Bill Walkers are a dime a dozen. We'll get another young swing man this summer i'm sure.

3) Mr. O, you're comments about swing players being a dime a dozen are a dime a dozen. Like a broken record. Do you ever say anything else about young SGs or SFs?

Uh, how about you do like snively and actually try to explain why Bill Walker isn't a dime a dozen? SFs who can shoot but can't defend as well aren't a dime a dozen?

I'm afraid I disagree with you, too.