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Re: Tim Duncan or KG
« Reply #105 on: March 29, 2010, 01:59:41 PM »

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Duncan is better than KG now, and was better throughout his career. Duncan, Shaq and Kobe are the best 3 this decade has seen.

Garnett is somewhere right after those 3 - probably number 4.

Duncan has all the fundamental skills on offense and defense. Will destroy you inside and can hit from range. He's a great teammate. He does not need the spotlight, yet is willing to take the big shot. He performed repeatedly in the clutch in the playoffs. I can go on and on.

Re: Tim Duncan or KG
« Reply #106 on: March 29, 2010, 02:05:26 PM »

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I don't think the Spurs would have won as many titles if they had KG instead of Duncan.  Duncan used to absolutely dominate the paint.  As great as KG was, he never did that.

Re: Tim Duncan or KG
« Reply #107 on: March 29, 2010, 02:38:46 PM »

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I don't think the Spurs would have won as many titles if they had KG instead of Duncan.  Duncan used to absolutely dominate the paint.  As great as KG was, he never did that.

Yeah. If you have the decade's best paint dominator, you will win titles.

Duncan/Shaq
Olajuwon
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Chamberlain/Russel
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Those 7 players won 33 championships. Wow.... so um... the C's should do everything possible to find the next great big man after this team is dismantled.

Re: Tim Duncan or KG
« Reply #108 on: March 29, 2010, 02:43:49 PM »

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Let's Make this simple. IT IS A WASH. They are too similar. As someone pointed out, if they swapped teams, the same results what have happened with regard to Championships, Duncan would have 1 and KG 4.
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Re: Tim Duncan or KG
« Reply #109 on: March 29, 2010, 03:09:24 PM »

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I don't think the celtics win that championship if TD comes instead of KG.

I'm gonna disagree here, the Celts win either way.

As for freak-of-nature, once-in-a-lifetime player, I'm giving that award to Hakeem Olajuwon, not to either KG or TD.

The 2008 Championship squad had Powe, BBD, Brown, Posey, Perks and KG for its frontline bigs. Really, substitute KG for TD in that lineup and what does the Celtics miss? Pretty much nothing.

Ray Ray, except from the free throw line, missed continually for the first two playoff series. That could've been the end of it, there if it weren't for others to start scoring from the outside like House, Posey, Pierce, & sometimes Cassell. Finally, I believe w/ TD, the Cav's frontline (Ilgauskas, etc) would not have been able to stop him from dropping 30-40 points of them, all series long. That would have ended the semi-conf series in 6. We wouldn't have needed Pierce to drop 41 in that game 7 but he might have, perhaps a game or two earlier.

And finally, given the scoring prowess of both Pierce and Ray Ray, starting with the ECF, I don't see how our fortunes with TD would have gone down in the final series.

I don't think they would have won with Duncan.  Too much of the team's success was tied into their swarming, help defense and that particular team is one where KG's style/advantages were more beneficial than Duncan's would have been.

Duncan's defensive strengths (especially at this point in his career) are those of a center.  He and Perk would have been redundant in the paint/guarding opposing centers while not providing the same help coverage area that KG was able to in '08.  I think LeBron and (if we got that far) Kobe would have both been too much for that team with Duncan in there instead of KG.

Re: Tim Duncan or KG
« Reply #110 on: March 29, 2010, 05:43:38 PM »

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Too much of the team's success was tied into their swarming, help defense and that particular team is one where KG's style/advantages

C's help defense was a team effort, couched by Thibodeau, and it worked when everyone was involved, not just KG in the high post. But true, it messes with KG's playing style better.


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I think LeBron and (if we got that far) Kobe would have both been too much for that team

In other words, they'd both go off for 50-70 ppg and blow us out of the water? I think... like the media, you're overestimating the wingman extraordinare myth. At best, they'd get perhaps a few points or assists advantage, w/ TD instead of KG, as neither of them would drive to the hoop, as aggressively, with the twin towers of KP-TD down there. Likewise, PP along with Posey seemed to stick to the primadonnas pretty nicely for much of those series.

Now, here's the flipside... how would the Cavs prevent TD from dropping 30-40 ppg on them? In fact, with
Duncan, we have a scoring machine down low and one other scoring wingman, Pierce, who can score from anywhere on the floor. And TD would force the Cavs to run constant doubles on him, with immediate kick outs to House, Pierce, and others for open jumpers. That's a very difficult team to beat esp when neither the Cavs nor the Lakers have an answer for a one-two top scoring franchise players. They can stop one or the other but not both.

Re: Tim Duncan or KG
« Reply #111 on: March 29, 2010, 06:05:25 PM »

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Duncan is better than KG now, and was better throughout his career. Duncan, Shaq and Kobe are the best 3 this decade has seen.

Garnett is somewhere right after those 3 - probably number 4.

Duncan has all the fundamental skills on offense and defense. Will destroy you inside and can hit from range. He's a great teammate. He does not need the spotlight, yet is willing to take the big shot. He performed repeatedly in the clutch in the playoffs. I can go on and on.
I agree. I think some peoples glasses are a little too green.
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Re: Tim Duncan or KG
« Reply #112 on: March 29, 2010, 06:07:39 PM »

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If Duncan had of gotten performances like what Ray + Pierce did to LA in the Finals from Ginobili and Parker ... the Spurs would have blown the Lakers out of the water.

Re: Tim Duncan or KG
« Reply #113 on: March 29, 2010, 06:34:05 PM »

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If Duncan had of gotten performances like what Ray + Pierce did to LA in the Finals from Ginobili and Parker ... the Spurs would have blown the Lakers out of the water.
Exactly, Ginobli had one game that year that wasn't awful in that Series.

He just wasn't healthy, they're a scary team right now with George Hill and Manu playing so well.

Re: Tim Duncan or KG
« Reply #114 on: March 29, 2010, 07:12:31 PM »

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Tim Duncan is a great player, but his teammates are far superior to the that of KG's.

Duncan posted Kendrick Perkins numbers and the Spurs beat us without Parker.

That is sufficient evidence that the Spurs team were and are far more valuable than any of KG's T-Wolves team.
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Re: Tim Duncan or KG
« Reply #115 on: March 29, 2010, 07:38:27 PM »

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Tim Duncan is a great player, but his teammates are far superior to the that of KG's.

Duncan posted Kendrick Perkins numbers and the Spurs beat us without Parker.

That is sufficient evidence that the Spurs team were and are far more valuable than any of KG's T-Wolves team.


Celtics got to the the 2nd round of the playoffs without KG.


Plus, if you really want to go that way, KG lost to a Spurs team with a slumping Duncan and no Parker. 

Re: Tim Duncan or KG
« Reply #116 on: March 29, 2010, 07:41:27 PM »

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Tim Duncan is a great player, but his teammates are far superior to the that of KG's.

Duncan posted Kendrick Perkins numbers and the Spurs beat us without Parker.

That is sufficient evidence that the Spurs team were and are far more valuable than any of KG's T-Wolves team.

Duncan has had great teammates, no question. KG's lack of solid teammates is a tragedy and a big reason why his fans must have been thrilled to see what he did on the 2008 team.

Duncan and KG are very close in talent. But Duncan's inside game and clutch performances separate him.

KG has only played beyond the 1st round twice in his career. No matter how bad your teammates are, at some point you need to carry them in order to be considered on the level of an ALL-Decade big man like Shaq or Duncan.

NBA legends are made in the playoffs.

Re: Tim Duncan or KG
« Reply #117 on: March 29, 2010, 08:39:33 PM »

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Tim Duncan is a great player, but his teammates are far superior to the that of KG's.

Duncan posted Kendrick Perkins numbers and the Spurs beat us without Parker.

That is sufficient evidence that the Spurs team were and are far more valuable than any of KG's T-Wolves team.


Celtics got to the the 2nd round of the playoffs without KG.


Plus, if you really want to go that way, KG lost to a Spurs team with a slumping Duncan and no Parker. 


I remember last year's playoffs very clearly.

C's barely got into the 2nd round, needing Rondo to average a triple double to get passed a mediocre Bulls team.

KG losing to a slumping Duncan and no Parker clearly shows the greatness of Manu Ginobli and the greatness that is Greg Popavich.

Re: Tim Duncan or KG
« Reply #118 on: March 29, 2010, 08:54:40 PM »

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Tim Duncan is a great player, but his teammates are far superior to the that of KG's.

Duncan posted Kendrick Perkins numbers and the Spurs beat us without Parker.

That is sufficient evidence that the Spurs team were and are far more valuable than any of KG's T-Wolves team.


Celtics got to the the 2nd round of the playoffs without KG.


Plus, if you really want to go that way, KG lost to a Spurs team with a slumping Duncan and no Parker. 


I remember last year's playoffs very clearly.

C's barely got into the 2nd round, needing Rondo to average a triple double to get passed a mediocre Bulls team.

KG losing to a slumping Duncan and no Parker clearly shows the greatness of Manu Ginobli and the greatness that is Greg Popavich.


No.


It proves that the Spurs won that game and the Celtics lost. 


One game when both players are past their prime is not a good way to try and argue who was better.

Re: Tim Duncan or KG
« Reply #119 on: March 30, 2010, 01:22:42 AM »

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Tim Duncan is a great player, but his teammates are far superior to the that of KG's.

Duncan posted Kendrick Perkins numbers and the Spurs beat us without Parker.

That is sufficient evidence that the Spurs team were and are far more valuable than any of KG's T-Wolves team.


Celtics got to the the 2nd round of the playoffs without KG.


Plus, if you really want to go that way, KG lost to a Spurs team with a slumping Duncan and no Parker. 


I remember last year's playoffs very clearly.

C's barely got into the 2nd round, needing Rondo to average a triple double to get passed a mediocre Bulls team.

KG losing to a slumping Duncan and no Parker clearly shows the greatness of Manu Ginobli and the greatness that is Greg Popavich.
Had Paul or Ray gone down rather than KG I doubt we'd got past the first round last year.
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