Should TA Be Re-Signed?

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If I were TA's agent, I'd advise him to get out of Boston as soon as possible and go with an up tempo team like the Knicks or the Warriors.  He'll never really succeed in Rivers' offense, and his defensive abilites are underappreciated by both the coaching staff and the fans.

I agree. I was thinking the same thing with Nate. Would he want to re-sign here and play 15minutes a game. With the 3 HOF & Rondo on this team, there aren't enough minutes for guys like Nate & TA.

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If he were a full-time player, he would easily be all-NBA. (Quick: name a 2 that's clearly better than Tony. Kobe and Wade come to mind, but neither are obviously better.)

I little over the deep end with the Tony love here.

Shane Battier
Dwayne Wade
Kobe Bryant
Aaron Afflalo
Thabo Sefolosha
Dahntay Jones
Andre Iguodala
Brandon Roy
Corey Brewer
Ronnie Brewer
Kirk Hinrich
Courtney Lee
Rip Hamilton


There's a bunch of players just off the top of my head that I happen to think are consistently better defenders than Tony. There's.....13 there and I didn't even go looking at rosters to find any. Tony is a good defender who's consistency on that end wanders most of the time and who can be caught playing off his man looking for the steal all too often and also get faked into the air way too easily. He's also reckless and foul prone.

Sorry, Tony is not ALL-NBA anything if he were to become a starter somewhere. That's just not true.

I always thought Kobe was an overrated defender.  He's decent, but this notion that he is a great defender is mostly hype imo.  And I don't think a lot of these players are better defenders than Tony.  Probably on a similar level.

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If I were TA's agent, I'd advise him to get out of Boston as soon as possible and go with an up tempo team like the Knicks or the Warriors.  He'll never really succeed in Rivers' offense, and his defensive abilites are underappreciated by both the coaching staff and the fans.

I agree. I was thinking the same thing with Nate. Would he want to re-sign here and play 15minutes a game. With the 3 HOF & Rondo on this team, there aren't enough minutes for guys like Nate & TA.

Why would Tony want to play for a perennial loser?  Plus, after this year, if he comes back, I think Tony would play more minutes, especially if the Tony we are seeing now comes back and plays that way next season.

[Brickowski]

No, Kobe is a great defender when he wants to be.  I'd say that Kobe and Battier anre better than Tony, but none of the others are.

Wade fouls just as much as Tony.  But the refs don't call them.  Simple as that. In fact when Wade makes a sour face at an official, the official pees in his pants.

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You know Doc, he loves defender more than offensive minded player. As long as he isn't asked to handle the ball or shoot 3 pointer then all's well. Get Mike Miller & find a way to re-sign Nate. If those 2 conditions are met, then you definitely re-sign Tony Allen. Tony can do what he does best, which is attack and play great Defense. Plus his teammate love him. Didn't Pierce lobby to re-sign him in the first place?

The Big Three lobbied to get Rasheed on this team as well. Sometimes, players aren't the best judges for what additions are to be made to a team.

Sheed was the best available big last season. To me that was a successful signing at the time. In hindsight, Ainge should have stayed far away. Sheed was way past his prime before he signed that ridiculous 3 year contract. TA just entered his prime, and will likely resign for cheap. Not saying C's should re-sign TA, but you can't compare TA to Sheed. TA is 100% effort, Sheed is 100% lazy.

You are missing my point. My point is that Pierce lobbying to have Tony on the team shouldn't matter because players aren't the best judges of what is best for a team. The Big Three lobbied for Sheed and that probably wasn't the best thing for this team. Maybe they influenced Danny and Doc maybe they didn't but it's pretty close to certain at this point that adding Rasheed was not a good thing.

I personally don't care if Paul lobbies for Tony to be on this team because Paul isn't the GM and doesn't know what's best for the team. Given his recent admission that he forced himself to come back to early, it's pretty obvious Paul Pierce is not even a good judge of what's good for him when it comes to the team never mind stuff that has to do with other players.

My comparison had nothing to do with the individual players(Tony and Sheed) abilities or whether one player is lazy or not or whether one has energy or not. It has to do with the players on the team trying to influence who management brings aboard.

[Brickowski]

If I were TA's agent, I'd advise him to get out of Boston as soon as possible and go with an up tempo team like the Knicks or the Warriors.  He'll never really succeed in Rivers' offense, and his defensive abilites are underappreciated by both the coaching staff and the fans.

I agree. I was thinking the same thing with Nate. Would he want to re-sign here and play 15minutes a game. With the 3 HOF & Rondo on this team, there aren't enough minutes for guys like Nate & TA.

Why would Tony want to play for a perennial loser? 

To play more minutes and make more money.  Besides, the Knicks won't be a perennial loser.  The will sign at least one good FA and be decent next year.  Who wouldn't want to play for D'Antoni?

As for Sheed, given what was available, he WAS the best thing for this team and there was no close second.  He's played quite well at times.

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I like him as a 4th wing provided the 3rd wing is bigger and can shoot.  If Daniels is resigned we should probably say goodbye to TA.

I'd prefer TA to Daniels because of his superior athleticism, defense and hustle play, but I could understand if the team preferred Daniels lower-risk style.

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Let Rondo decide.....(maybe Tony can be become a play-next-to-Rondo specialist..)  I know I know, no jumpers....who cares..

[Brickowski]

Why should TA be content to be a 4th wing when he can start or be a consistent rotation player elsewhere?  Once again, if I were his agent I'd tell the Celtics to stuff it.  Other teams watch film.  They know his value.

[looseball]

I hope they resign Tony.  I think he's been under-utilized so far.  When he was put in to slow down Carmello the other night, he did a pretty decent job.  I would like to see him in the lineup at the end of games when you really need a stop to protect a lead (in place of Ray, if need be).  It's a real plus to have guys come in off the bench who provide a spark and make things happen, not just maintain the status quo.  Guys like Tony and Big Baby do just that.  Hopefully Nate will become a third.

On offense he's a plus, too, because he takes it to the hoop and does well on the break.  He may not have a great outside shot, but he is shooting 50%!  When all is said and done, a layup is the best shot you can take.

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Why should TA be content to be a 4th wing when he can start or be a consistent rotation player elsewhere?  Once again, if I were his agent I'd tell the Celtics to stuff it.  Other teams watch film.  They know his value.

TP, Brick.  Why do we assume it's up to us?  And with 5 teams in states w/o a state income tax in an economic and CBA climate where teams may very well pinch pennies, he may be better off elsewhere.  I really think Tony could be a rotation player somewhere...aren't there quite a few inconsistent players getting regular minutes around the league?  Yes, indeed.

I'd hate so see him (or anyone) go for nothing, considering how limited we are (min and MLE) in bringing in FA's, so I'd offer him a deal quickly as a show of faith (2 yrs, 5 million, as now, plus a team option for a 3rd year in case he's needed), and let him shop it around in hopes someone will give him more but wants/needs a sign-and-trade to make it happen.  

We're probably better off signing him, but that isn't the same thing as playing him.  He'll have good games, but it's always a gamble...Casino Tony...helping us win against Denver doesn't change who he is.

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Why should TA be content to be a 4th wing when he can start or be a consistent rotation player elsewhere?  Once again, if I were his agent I'd tell the Celtics to stuff it.  Other teams watch film.  They know his value.

I don't think anyone is going to offer him a starting role.

I also think it's unlikely anyone offers him a first wing off the bench role.

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I think Danny's going to look around to see what he can get with the MLE before he starts resigning his own FA's (except for Ray and probably Nate). 

If he can get an upgrade over Daniels/Finley/TA for the 3rd wing such as Outlaw or Miller, he's going to take it.  Since either of those 2 can back up PP better, I could see TA being resigned as the 4th wing provided he doesn't get a better offer (I doubt that he would financially but he might be in a better situation for minutes or playing style.)  If Danny can't get anyone better than his current backups, I could see Danny bringing back either Daniels or TA but not both to go with Finley (if he doesn't retire).  Danny has hopefully identified the need for at least one backup wing that can shoot from outside.  having 2, regardless of their defensive capabilities, isn't effective for this team.

some of this is predicated on Sheed being woeful from outside this year.  Even BBD's jumper has been awful.  If they were hitting at a decent pace, the second unit of Nate, Sheed and BBD could stretch the defense (pulling out the big men in the process) and allow Daniels and TA to drive to the basket.  This was probably what Danny was hoping for to some extent from the bench (House when the season started instead of Nate) to provide offensive balance.  Unfortunately, Sheed and BBD are not making outside shots so Danny is going to have to restructure the second unit to get better shooters to play with them next year.  If Danny replaces Daniels with one, TA is a viable option to fill in as the 4th wing.

[Cman]

At the right price, yeah.
I wonder how much interest TA will really generate around the league though.  He is one of those players whose value is higher with the Celtics than on another team -- he knows his role here, and isn't asked to do much, just to be Tony Allen.  On another team, there would be higher expectations, and inevitable disappointment.  I think everyone - the Cs, TA, his agent, and other teams - realizes this.

[Greenbean]

At the right price, yeah.
I wonder how much interest TA will really generate around the league though.  He is one of those players whose value is higher with the Celtics than on another team -- he knows his role here, and isn't asked to do much, just to be Tony Allen.  On another team, there would be higher expectations, and inevitable disappointment.  I think everyone - the Cs, TA, his agent, and other teams - realizes this.

I actually think he is a bad fit on this team. Tony needs minutes to succeed and there arent many available to him right now. He could be a bargain for alot of teams thin at the 2 spot.