Man.. Rasheed has to go...

[Steve Weinman]

Sheed is playing like he's 35. As long as he is defending and rebounding, everything else is gravy. I look forward to his play in the playoffs.

Sure, except that he *isn't* rebounding.  His total rebound rate of 11.1 percent is horrific for a big man. 

For some sobering perspective on that front, the venerable Mikki Moore put up a 14.1 percent rebound rate (albeit in a much smaller sample size) as a Celtic.

-sw

[Fafnir]

Sheed is playing like he's 35. As long as he is defending and rebounding, everything else is gravy. I look forward to his play in the playoffs.

Sure, except that he *isn't* rebounding.  His total rebound rate of 11.1 percent is horrific for a big man. 

For some sobering perspective on that front, the venerable Mikki Moore put up a 14.1 percent rebound rate (albeit in a much smaller sample size) as a Celtic.

-sw

Which is why Sheed is much better playing 16 minutes in a game rather than 20+ like he was for much of the year.

[thirstyboots18]

I think Sheed will be playing very limited minutes in the post season.  And....dare I mention it.....Scal is trying to stay ready and in shape, and is playing one on one against Paul and KG (saw that in an interview with Scal a while ago).  I am not a Glen Davis fan...but he does hustle and get rebounds, and as long as he can find an open team mate that is ok.  Just please don't try to score or draw a foul by going up surrounded by taller opponents under the basket!

Sheed is a backup (one of three or four) for KG.  Kg is rapidly getting back into shape.  Therefore, Sheed will probably not find many minutes in the post season...but I do think he has been a decent post scorer when he chooses to play in the post....

[Eeyore III]

There were no alternatives. McDyess, the other possibility, didn't want to sign here, and has been even worse in SA than Sheed here. Orlando matched a full MLE offer for Gortat, while Bass and Millsap were offered more. There was no-one else we could have got for MLE or less that is playing better right now.

We could have had Baby as third big, where he would be more effective than in his current spot. But we weren't sure if another team would offer him more than we were willing to pay. We could have kept Leon, and been without a big for 3/4 of the season. Dejuan Blair was a fluke - 29 teams thought he wasn't worth it, a few of them twice over. Besides, we have had bad luck with bigs with knee problems.

Although he hasn't been living up to his talent or paycheck, we had nothing better than Sheed, and I fully believe (hope  ) that he will turn it up in the playoffs.

Rasho Nesterovic hasn't gotten regular minutes this year, but when he has, he has played very well.  He would have been a cheaper option.

[Fafnir]

Sheed is a backup (one of three or four) for KG.

I think Doc has been using Rasheed mainly as a backup center more and more as the season goes on.

I think that's where he'll get most of his minutes in the post season.

[Mizzy21390]

Has to go?  And how is that going to happen with 13 games left in the season?  Unless you mean "has to go this offseason" then this thread is completely pointless.  He's not going anywhere so accept it.

I agree that his laziness can be frustrating, but what were your expectations?  We had pretty much no other options this offseason, and I still think he plays decent.  He plays decent defense and gets rebounds.  He's also been one our most durable big-men this entire season.  Giving his minutes to Glen Davis would be disastrous.  Rasheed at least matches up well against some of our bigger opponents, and will prove to have value in the playoffs.

I love seeing a great win like the Dallas one followed up by a post demanding a Rasheed trade.. after the trading deadline     

Well, it was more like a rhetorical question, or a simple statement of my annoyance. Im not expecting him to be traded like tomorrow or anything, for saying, "Sheed has to go.." I know Sheed won't be going anywhere. AND I know the trade deadline is over. We have him for another year or two I think. This post was merely my frustration on his play even with a big win against Dallas. I wanted to see if anyone saw what I saw in the game last night.

I was just stating my feelings of how I wish he would play with effort. I'm not a Sheed basher, as I stated before I loved him in Detroit, and I love his spunk/character, the person he is.. I just wish he put more effort in the game, because its one of my pet peeves when a player does not put in effort, and becomes bored with a game, but at least won't pretend to be interested. It's dangerous.

I stated before that I was quite excited when we got Sheed, which can show that I knew what we were getting, when we signed him. I knew his age, stats, etc... but I was hoping KG would put that intensity into him to play like he did in 04 with the Pistons.

I will admit that I am happy that he's the only big besides Perk this season (I think), that hasn't had an injury to sit him down, and like you said he is durable. And like you said also, he does match up so MUCH better than BBD would against the bigs on the other teams. But even though BBD isn't comparable to Sheed, BBD gives effort and that shows to me that he is willing to try his hardest until he gets it. I just am so scared to really believe he's been waiting till the playoffs to actually play. Like I stated before, I really do hope I am wrong, and that he plays better than late and 'turns it on" once April 17?? comes by.



 But I dunno, Im just repeating myself now, so I'm done.

[dark_lord]

...down in the post more.

exactly! 

in not happy with his performance, but i have said all along, i will with hold judgment until the postseason.  sheed has historically "coasted" during the season, then exerts himself in the playoffs (i dont agree with the philosophy, but this is what he does).

if he is in fact containing himself for the postseason, im hoping to see him in the post more in the playoffs.  in the postseason, it tends to be a grinding, slower pace....where every possession is important.  im hoping this will put his butt in the post.  bc when he has been in the post during the season, he has contributed a lot.  i hope the leaders on this team encourage him to get in the post

Is this really true?

Statistically, his production in the playoffs has been comparable to his production in the regular season. So too, I feel, has his defensive contributions. 

Rasheed Wallace has also flopped in the playoffs for the last three years running in elimination series. Last year against the Cavs. Against the C's in the title winning season. And against the Cavs the year before that.

I don't think Rasheed has upped his performance level in the playoffs in recent years and I do not think there is reason to believe he will do so this year either.

his "coasting" is according to him.  i remember reading that the last couple yrs in detroit, he admitted to saving himself for the playoffs. 

like i stated b4, im hoping for this to happen:

if he is in fact containing himself for the postseason, im hoping to see him in the post more in the playoffs.  in the postseason, it tends to be a grinding, slower pace....where every possession is important.  im hoping this will put his butt in the post.  bc when he has been in the post during the season, he has contributed a lot.  i hope the leaders on this team encourage him to get in the post

[mmbaby]

Makes sense, especially when one gets to a certain age as a basketball player.

[JBcat]

Most back up centers have warts in their game and I would take him over most back up centers.   However I think part of the problem is there isn't much disparity in minutes between Perkins and Wallace.   I was really hoping this year Perkins would step up his game to play true starter minutes 30 to 35 game which hasn't happened.   

What is encouraging is the less 3 point attempts per game in the last month.   I think part of that is having a more functional second unit with Nate playing the point and Daniels and Davis healthy, and the signing of Finley. 

[Jon]

I gotta say, I don't think Sheed has been that bad.  Has he not quite lived up to the expectations of his contract?  Probably.  But then again, he's never played this few minutes (particularly off the bench) in his life.  Plus, you gotta believe there will at least be a couple games come playoff time that he'll make the difference in.  More importantly, he's better than most backup centers in this league (and in fact, better than some starting centers in this league). 

That said, what I'm more interested in pursuing is where anyone thinks Sheed is going even if we all were to concede he sucks.  I mean who exactly (other than a worse contract) would we trade him for? 

If we can ever trade him, it won't be until the summer or '11 or the '12 trading deadline where he'll have value as an expiring deal. 

[Fafnir]

More importantly, he's better than most backup centers in this league (and in fact, better than some starting centers in this league).

Who do you think he'd be starting for?

Rasheed's game has really fallen off, he's adequate as a backup C/PF. But I think we were all expecting more than adequate! The real problem is that he is in many ways a poor fit for what we could really use off the bench. A mobile big with size would be ideal to give us someone to match up with younger athletic front courts.

[Jon]

New Jersey (over Yi).
Charlotte (over Theo, and let's face it, Larry Brown loves Sheed so it would happen).
Denver (at this point he'd start over Johan Petro at the 4).
Detroit (that's a maybe)
Golden State (depending on how small they'd go)
Houston (strictly from a size standpoint)
Clippers (Gooden's starting there and he makes Wallace look like Mutombo)
Milwaukee (Mbah a Moute is very average)
Minnesota (over Darko)
Oklahoma (Krstic is hardly blowing people's socks off this year)
Philly (I don't think I take Sheed over Dalembert; however, it's closer than people think.  If Dalembert was half the player his stats would suggest he is, the Sixers wouldn't be so horrible). 
Phoenix (over Lopez)
Spurs (I wanted Dice over Sheed last summer, but Dice has probably been a bigger disappointment).
Wiz (pretty sure that Sheed would start over McGee)

That's about half the league that I'd say that Sheed is roughly on par or better than one of their 4s or 5s. 

[Edgar]

New Jersey (over Yi).
Charlotte (over Theo, and let's face it, Larry Brown loves Sheed so it would happen).
Denver (at this point he'd start over Johan Petro at the 4).
Detroit (that's a maybe)
Golden State (depending on how small they'd go)
Houston (strictly from a size standpoint)
Clippers (Gooden's starting there and he makes Wallace look like Mutombo)
Milwaukee (Mbah a Moute is very average)
Minnesota (over Darko)
Oklahoma (Krstic is hardly blowing people's socks off this year)
Philly (I don't think I take Sheed over Dalembert; however, it's closer than people think.  If Dalembert was half the player his stats would suggest he is, the Sixers wouldn't be so horrible). 
Phoenix (over Lopez)
Spurs (I wanted Dice over Sheed last summer, but Dice has probably been a bigger disappointment).
Wiz (pretty sure that Sheed would start over McGee)

That's about half the league that I'd say that Sheed is roughly on par or better than one of their 4s or 5s. 

he will start based on prestige
over all hes laying like ...lazy

[BASS_THUMPER]

sheed needs to go back to the ghetto and get is pimp hand strong again..

his last season in deroit was better than now and i expected better ball from him here

[manl_lui]

i think you are wrong...

why? because Rasheed in my opinion still has it in him...yeh hes lazy at times, but in games when it really matters he can be dangerous? i mean when KG was out and he started...he was averaging 15+ pts...you cant forget those facts...i for one is pretty proud of him recently, hes not chucking as much 3s anymore...and if anyone notices...correct me if im wrong but i dont think he had as much technical this year compare to last couple of years? usually i see him being suspended already by this time =\

come playoff time i wanna see him in action. He doesnt have to score, he can just defend and ill be fine with that...i mean isnt that what nate is for? and finley?

i just want to see Sheed play tight D on good Centers and PFs like Dwight, Bosh (if we face them in the 1st?), Antawn, Shaq, Varejao is we face the Cavs...