rebuilding trade

[buzz]

I wonder, in retrospect, if Danny could have traded Ray for Stephen Jackson, Anthony Randolph and Andres Nocioini back when Capt Jack was making life in Golden State miserable and the Warriors were soured on Randolph, if he would have done it

I think there might have been a window in the early season where they might have been able to get Jackson and Monta for Ray.

Randolph? Probably not for Ray, though I do think they are willing to trade him. Suffice to say, he is not happy there, and I don't think they are happy with him, either.

[BballTim]

There are no guarantees.  Yes, they could rebuild forever like the Clippers.  Or maybe the Grousbecks will sell the team to a Russian syndicate.

But they are headed down now, down down down, with a bunch of aging players.  The question is not, should they rebuild, the question is, when?  The longer they remain in NBA purgatory (a 40-45 win team) the longer it will take for them to become really good again.
 

Honestly? I would have traded Ray Allen the second he stepped off the duck boats for our victory parade. And if not that offseason, certainly this past one. While I understand having the false hope that we can still somehow contend this year, IMO Danny held onto him too long and effectively squandered an opportunity to enhance roster value, as he likes to put it.

Once we were at the deadline, it didn't matter much. No player or trade out there was a difference-maker in the short or long-term. Not doing a bad trade could even benefit us later on, as we didn't clog up our payroll with stiffs like Jamison, and we can try to use Rondo/Pierce/Perk to do a trade similar to the rumored Butler/Jamison deal (except as you said, with younger, better players this time).

  Traded Ray for what? Almost every trade I heard of last summer was Ray and Rondo for something that wouldn't have us winning in the near term because we'd ave no backcourt. Were there any deals where they could have traded Ray for a star and some bad contracts? If so, who? I don't recall any great players moving that we could have had. I was all for trading Ray last summer until I saw what was available.

[buzz]

yeah, Bird... I think the lockout supersedes all here. Most likely scenario is us coming out of the lockout in the summer of 2012 with only Rondo and our next 3 first round picks on the books, as well as Bird Rights on Perk, KG, Baby and maybe Pierce or Ray.

Patience, grasshoppers.

[buzz]

 Traded Ray for what? Almost every trade I heard of last summer was Ray and Rondo for something that wouldn't have us winning in the near term because we'd ave no backcourt. Were there any deals where they could have traded Ray for a star and some bad contracts? If so, who? I don't recall any great players moving that we could have had. I was all for trading Ray last summer until I saw what was available.

I think all those trades were BS leaked by Danny to help drive Rondo's market value down (and to some extent, trial balloons on whether we could trade Ray without an uprising).

I guess it doesn't matter much, though. Once KG came up lame in that game over a year ago, the party was over for the next several years.

[buzz]

Warriors a good team to poach for young talent, IMO. Owner is the middle of a financial poopstorm and their revenues are apparently falling across the board.

Take on Maggette and/or Biedrins in return for either Curry or Randolph. Throw in Rondo/Perk to land Curry if need be.

[Brickowski]

The only way we could fall to 5th in the seedings this year is if Toronto overtakes us for 1st in the Atlantic

Winning the Atlantic guarantees the 4th seed as the lowest placement

9 games ahead of Toronto with 18 games to play makes me feel pretty comfortable that the 4th seed is all but guaranteed at this point

Yes, they would have to suck.  I forgot that rule, because I think Milwaukee may catch them. 

But look at the bright side.  The Celtics will almost certainly be drafting ahead of the Oklahoma City Thunder this year.

[arctic 3.0]

looking at the roster/contract situation i have to say we're looking at an uphill battle.
using rays contract at the trade deadline was our best chance to improve on the run.
we really have few tradeable assets (perk, rondo, maybe davis) and perks value already falling and will likely continue to do so after a early playoff exit.

my best case senario for this offseason would be to sign travis outlaw to the MLE and  try and trade perk and davis for randolph and magette (who would have to be included to get GS to bite)

we could then choose from ray/tony/marquis/robinson/williams with out eating cap space.

point guards: rondo, robinson
wings: pierce, outlaw, allen, magette
bigs: KG, randolf, wallace, williams

imagine 6'11"randolph and 6'9" outlaw filling the lanes for rondo

[arctic 3.0]

you know things are bad when you start thinking about off season moves before the playoffs begin.
but i really want randolph. i'd take magette's killer contract all day to get that kid in celtics green.

[Chris]

looking at the roster/contract situation i have to say we're looking at an uphill battle.
using rays contract at the trade deadline was our best chance to improve on the run.
we really have few tradeable assets (perk, rondo, maybe davis) and perks value already falling and will likely continue to do so after a early playoff exit.

my best case senario for this offseason would be to sign travis outlaw to the MLE and  try and trade perk and davis for randolph and magette (who would have to be included to get GS to bite)

we could then choose from ray/tony/marquis/robinson/williams with out eating cap space.

point guards: rondo, robinson
wings: pierce, outlaw, allen, magette
bigs: KG, randolf, wallace, williams

imagine 6'11"randolph and 6'9" outlaw filling the lanes for rondo

Honestly, I kind of like that plan.  I think Ray would be long gone if they trade for Maggette, But they could deal with that.  And if they can sign Outlaw for a little less than the MLE, perhaps they could then go after another veteran big man with the remaining money.  Resign Nate and maybe Daniels or Tony Allen for depth, and then use a late first round pick to take a flyer on the best available player.

Of course, there is the problem of Perk being a terrible fit for Nellie-ball, but who knows if he will actually be back next year.  And they can always turn it into a 3-team deal if they need to. 

[divo0oneh]

The way i see it? trade Rondo/Davis to the T-Wolves for Rubio. 2nd overall pick (Evan Turner)

late 1st rounder pick up a big man that can play! there are a lot of potential big guys in this draft!

give MLE to an athletic PF this off season or maybe Manu Ginobli then select a long athletic wing in the 2nd round and there we go

[PLamb]

The way i see it? trade Rondo/Davis to the T-Wolves for Rubio. 2nd overall pick (Evan Turner)

late 1st rounder pick up a big man that can play! there are a lot of potential big guys in this draft!

give MLE to an athletic PF this off season or maybe Manu Ginobli then select a long athletic wing in the 2nd round and there we go

So much wrong here

Minnesota would NEVER trade the rights to Rubio AND a top 2 pick for Rondo and Davis

NEVER happen

Manu will NEVER sign for just the MLE

NEVER happen

Besides Tyrus Thomas, there are NO athletic power forwards in this draft worth anywhere near the MLE and Thomas will get more than the MLE

I do like your draft ideas though

[Brickowski]

Why would MN want Rondo when they already have Jonny Flynn?

I would wait until the Wolves trade Jefferson somewhere else (which they will-- it's obvious that either he or Kevin Love has to go) and offer Perkins for Corey Brewer and Wayne Ellington, or Perkins, filler and a second rounder for Brewer and Ryan Hollins.

[More Banners]

Why would MN want Rondo when they already have Jonny Flynn?

I would wait until the Wolves trade Jefferson somewhere else (which they will-- it's obvious that either he or Kevin Love has to go) and offer Perkins for Corey Brewer and Wayne Ellington, or Perkins, filler and a second rounder for Brewer and Ryan Hollins.

Not sure if MN would want Perk in the triangle (he's not a great passer), but I like the idea of trading Perk and/or BBD for an athletic scoring wing that can shoot, using the MLE on an uptempo PF or 2, and keeping TA and Quisy for $2.4-5 mil/yr for 2 year deals (5 million/year for both is pretty good).  That would be enough to reshape the tone of the team:  KG moves to center, athletic PF and SG next to PP and Rondo.

[wiley]

Why would MN want Rondo when they already have Jonny Flynn?

I would wait until the Wolves trade Jefferson somewhere else (which they will-- it's obvious that either he or Kevin Love has to go) and offer Perkins for Corey Brewer and Wayne Ellington, or Perkins, filler and a second rounder for Brewer and Ryan Hollins.

[wiley]

Why would MN want Rondo when they already have Jonny Flynn?

I would wait until the Wolves trade Jefferson somewhere else (which they will-- it's obvious that either he or Kevin Love has to go) and offer Perkins for Corey Brewer and Wayne Ellington, or Perkins, filler and a second rounder for Brewer and Ryan Hollins.

I don't know how that happened, possible the vodka in the spray bottle......anyhow, that's my biggest problem with my trade proposal is that Minnesota ends up with both Flynn and Rondo...I think Rondo's way more valuable, but it still means Minny would be better off trading Flynn in another deal...lots of work...

This idea is based on KG having a good to excellent playoff run with the Celtics this year....if he has no value, then the trade is lopside towards the C's, but if he can still bring some game, then his intangibles do balance this trade quite nicely.....a Rondo Perk duo is not chump change....