Sean Williams

[fanofgreen]

Sounds like you're less about Sean Wiliams than you are anti-Wallace.

I'm Anti-Sheed/Baby/Perk. haha

I wouldn't put Baby in that group.  Although he's not always effective, he always give 100%.

Well him giving 100% doesn't seem to help us out any. I'd rather have Sean Williams going 80% and being effective (blocking shots-rebounding-altering shots) than having Baby giving 100%, and not knowing how to utilize that effort in a helpful way.

[fanofgreen]

I don't think Sean Williams is good enough to crack the Celtics big man rotation.

In fact, I don't think he is good enough to beat out Scalabarine or Shelden Williams for the fifth or sixth big in the depth chart role.

I think Sean Williams is a long term project. That if you sign him you are planning on him becoming a contributor late next season or the year thereafter. I don't think there is any chance of him being a positive contributor this season.

Well, either way, I don't see a downside to signing him.

Personally, I think there will be times when he could work as a situational player. When another team's second unit is going at the rim freely, you need to at least try something different and right now we don't have any options to even try....

Because Sean Williams stopped so many teams from going to the rim when he was in New Jersey?

The guy's game is all flash and no substance.

He has a little potential to him and could become a useful player down the road but that is a long term project. Not a month until the playoffs project.

It's like signing Gerald Green and expecting him to become a key contributor overnight. It just isn't going to happen.

but we have substance right now....we need a little flash. We need the option of having someone who is at least capable of blocking a shot.

The difference between Gerald and Williams is Williams has a specific skill that we are in need of...

but again, what is the downside of signing him?

Yeah, I want Williams because of his natural/specific skill set, (blocking and altering shots, athleticism for Offensive rebs., energy). Something we currently dont have at all, on this roster right now.

I dont understand this whole notion of people saying he's a long term project. This kid is not Anthony Randolph. Sean Williams is not someone who you build the future of a team around, he's not a future All-Star, He's a like a young Theo Ratliff, he's a young defensive minded player with good energy and great ahleticism.

[winsomme]

No interest in Williams. He's not capable of helping a contender.

Williams needs to learn how to play team orientated basketball. How to play with discipline and purpose.

The Celtics are a contender? What's Williams gonna do, make us worse?

Williams may not be the answer, but the Cs should fill out the roster with young guys worth a look (Almond, Sims, Willaims, whatever) at this point.

We are in rebuilding mode whether people want to admit it or not.

I wouldn't say we are in rebuilding mode. I think we need to let KG have an offseason's worth of rehab before I would go that far.

The rebuilding question will come down in the offseason when Danny decides what to do about Ray.

If Ray is re-signed and Paul is re-upped, then we definitely are not in rebuilding mode. We'll have to get some key bench pieces with the MLE and IMO be back in business.

As for today, however, we need a shotblocking presence off the bench. That doesn't mean the player needs to take over Baby's spot in the rotation. It just means that Doc has the option to go to in games where the other team is getting to the rim too easily.

I've never bought the "needs to be better than Baby" argument. At this point in the season, it's about match ups...especially in terms of the bench players. Sometimes Baby will be just fine in a game, sometimes we will need to show the other team a different look..

right now, we have no different looks to show teams.

[fanofgreen]

No interest in Williams. He's not capable of helping a contender.

Williams needs to learn how to play team orientated basketball. How to play with discipline and purpose.

The Celtics are a contender? What's Williams gonna do, make us worse?

Williams may not be the answer, but the Cs should fill out the roster with young guys worth a look (Almond, Sims, Willaims, whatever) at this point.

We are in rebuilding mode whether people want to admit it or not.

I wouldn't say we are in rebuilding mode. I think we need to let KG have an offseason's worth of rehab before I would go that far.

The rebuilding question will come down in the offseason when Danny decides what to do about Ray.

If Ray is re-signed and Paul is re-upped, then we definitely are not in rebuilding mode. We'll have to get some key bench pieces with the MLE and IMO be back in business.

As for today, however, we need a shotblocking presence off the bench. That doesn't mean the player needs to take over Baby's spot in the rotation. It just means that Doc has the option to go to in games where the other team is getting to the rim too easily.

I've never bought the "needs to be better than Baby" argument. At this point in the season, it's about match ups...especially in terms of the bench players. Sometimes Baby will be just fine in a game, sometimes we will need to show the other team a different look..

right now, we have no different looks to show teams.

Yeah, Against teams like Memphis, Atlanta then Seam Williams would see more time.

Against teams like tonight; Detroit, Miluakee, Baby would see more time.

[ssspence]

No interest in Williams. He's not capable of helping a contender.

Williams needs to learn how to play team orientated basketball. How to play with discipline and purpose.

The Celtics are a contender? What's Williams gonna do, make us worse?

Williams may not be the answer, but the Cs should fill out the roster with young guys worth a look (Almond, Sims, Willaims, whatever) at this point.

We are in rebuilding mode whether people want to admit it or not.

I wouldn't say we are in rebuilding mode. I think we need to let KG have an offseason's worth of rehab before I would go that far.

The rebuilding question will come down in the offseason when Danny decides what to do about Ray.

If Ray is re-signed and Paul is re-upped, then we definitely are not in rebuilding mode. We'll have to get some key bench pieces with the MLE and IMO be back in business.

As for today, however, we need a shotblocking presence off the bench. That doesn't mean the player needs to take over Baby's spot in the rotation. It just means that Doc has the option to go to in games where the other team is getting to the rim too easily.

I've never bought the "needs to be better than Baby" argument. At this point in the season, it's about match ups...especially in terms of the bench players. Sometimes Baby will be just fine in a game, sometimes we will need to show the other team a different look..

right now, we have no different looks to show teams.

I appreciate your optimiism, but don't agree. The guys that are already on the team are going to improve with age?

If you're not a contender, you're rebuilding. We have next to no young talent on this team, and if we don't get some the next few years are going to be U G L Y.

I'm not saying Williams is the result, but we're not going to find anyone who's going to greatly improve the Cs, so use this opportunity to take a look at guys who be useful in the future.

Example: we have exactly 0 SGs under contract for next year. Think it might be worth taking a peek at Morris Almond when there is absolutely nothing to lose in doing so? I think the Cs can manage a 10 day contract or two...
 

[winsomme]

No interest in Williams. He's not capable of helping a contender.

Williams needs to learn how to play team orientated basketball. How to play with discipline and purpose.

The Celtics are a contender? What's Williams gonna do, make us worse?

Williams may not be the answer, but the Cs should fill out the roster with young guys worth a look (Almond, Sims, Willaims, whatever) at this point.

We are in rebuilding mode whether people want to admit it or not.

I wouldn't say we are in rebuilding mode. I think we need to let KG have an offseason's worth of rehab before I would go that far.

The rebuilding question will come down in the offseason when Danny decides what to do about Ray.

If Ray is re-signed and Paul is re-upped, then we definitely are not in rebuilding mode. We'll have to get some key bench pieces with the MLE and IMO be back in business.

As for today, however, we need a shotblocking presence off the bench. That doesn't mean the player needs to take over Baby's spot in the rotation. It just means that Doc has the option to go to in games where the other team is getting to the rim too easily.

I've never bought the "needs to be better than Baby" argument. At this point in the season, it's about match ups...especially in terms of the bench players. Sometimes Baby will be just fine in a game, sometimes we will need to show the other team a different look..

right now, we have no different looks to show teams.

Yeah, Against teams like Memphis, Atlanta then Seam Williams would see more time.

Against teams like tonight; Detroit, Miluakee, Baby would see more time.

Personally, I really wanted Danny to go after Ty Thomas. I thought he would have been a tremendous addition to our bench both in terms of depth and versatility. I don't know how much money he will command in the offseason, but he's a guy I hope they look at to use the MLE...

for now, though, I think adding Williams is a no-brainer. If for no other reason then there is no downside.

[Chris]

I appreciate your optimiism, but don't agree. The guys that are already on the team are going to improve with age?

If you're not a contender, you're rebuilding. We have next to no young talent on this team, and if we don't get some the next few years are going to be U G L Y.

I'm not saying Williams is the result, but we're not going to find anyone who's going to greatly improve the Cs, so use this opportunity to take a look at guys who be useful in the future.

Even if the C's were looking to rebuild, Williams is the LAST guy I would be looking at.  He is lazy, has no fundamentals, and has had numerous off the court problems that stem from him being in BOSTON.  Oh yeah, and he isn't a very good basketball player.  

I am fine with them trying to get younger (next year), but he is not the answer.  I would rather they take a flier on Danny's favorite, Big Red, than this burnout.

Example: we have exactly 0 SGs under contract for next year. Think it might be worth taking a peek at Morris Almond when there is absolutely nothing to lose in doing so? I think the Cs can manage a 10 day contract or two...
 

Well, there are games, they are something to lose.

I have no problem with them giving Almond a spot on the summerleague team, and an invite to camp next season to prove he can do something other than shoot.  However, I am not confident he is, or will ever be an NBA rotation player, so I would prefer the C's keep their focus on guys who actually deserve to be on an NBA floor.  

I think some of you need to realize that you don't successfully rebuild a franchise just by getting younger.  You rebuild a franchise by getting talent.  Yes, it helps when that talent is younger, because you have a larger window to put more talent around them, however, the talent is MUCH more important than the age.  If all you are doing is collecting mediocre (or worse) guys less than 25, then you are destined for 20 years of horrendous basketball.

[Chris]

Example: we have exactly 0 SGs under contract for next year. Think it might be worth taking a peek at Morris Almond when there is absolutely nothing to lose in doing so? I think the Cs can manage a 10 day contract or two...
 

Well, there are games, they are something to lose.

[/quote]

Oh yeah, they can lose money too.  It will cost a lot more money to pay Almond to sit on the end of an NBA bench, then to continue playing in the NBDL. 

[ssspence]

I appreciate your optimiism, but don't agree. The guys that are already on the team are going to improve with age?

If you're not a contender, you're rebuilding. We have next to no young talent on this team, and if we don't get some the next few years are going to be U G L Y.

I'm not saying Williams is the result, but we're not going to find anyone who's going to greatly improve the Cs, so use this opportunity to take a look at guys who be useful in the future.

Even if the C's were looking to rebuild, Williams is the LAST guy I would be looking at.  He is lazy, has no fundamentals, and has had numerous off the court problems that stem from him being in BOSTON.  Oh yeah, and he isn't a very good basketball player.  

I am fine with them trying to get younger (next year), but he is not the answer.  I would rather they take a flier on Danny's favorite, Big Red, than this burnout.

Example: we have exactly 0 SGs under contract for next year. Think it might be worth taking a peek at Morris Almond when there is absolutely nothing to lose in doing so? I think the Cs can manage a 10 day contract or two...
 

Well, there are games, they are something to lose.

I have no problem with them giving Almond a spot on the summerleague team, and an invite to camp next season to prove he can do something other than shoot.  However, I am not confident he is, or will ever be an NBA rotation player, so I would prefer the C's keep their focus on guys who actually deserve to be on an NBA floor.  

I think some of you need to realize that you don't successfully rebuild a franchise just by getting younger.  You rebuild a franchise by getting talent.  Yes, it helps when that talent is younger, because you have a larger window to put more talent around them, however, the talent is MUCH more important than the age.  If all you are doing is collecting mediocre (or worse) guys less than 25, then you are destined for 20 years of horrendous basketball.

I appreciate your point, though it's unneccsary to take it to the extreme. Like most Celtics fans, I wasn't born yesterday.

The Cs aren't going to turn into a pumpkin at midnight. They won't suddenly become the timberwolves because they sign a young guy or two to get some meaningful watch in practice or occasionally in games. But from where we sit currently, they're likely inevitably looking at a very painful few years of declining production from overpaid players and mediocre periperhal talent.   

The point: The writing is on the wall. The Cs have limited potential and limited assets. The constant aversion to taking chances of any kind on this board is disappointing. I'd rather take a chance or two than embrace defeat out of pride.

So no, losing games (which we do very well already) or the expense of 10 contracts (seriously?) are not great reasons to avoid having young players with a skill in practice or around the team. 

[Chris]

I appreciate your optimiism, but don't agree. The guys that are already on the team are going to improve with age?

If you're not a contender, you're rebuilding. We have next to no young talent on this team, and if we don't get some the next few years are going to be U G L Y.

I'm not saying Williams is the result, but we're not going to find anyone who's going to greatly improve the Cs, so use this opportunity to take a look at guys who be useful in the future.

Even if the C's were looking to rebuild, Williams is the LAST guy I would be looking at.  He is lazy, has no fundamentals, and has had numerous off the court problems that stem from him being in BOSTON.  Oh yeah, and he isn't a very good basketball player.  

I am fine with them trying to get younger (next year), but he is not the answer.  I would rather they take a flier on Danny's favorite, Big Red, than this burnout.

Example: we have exactly 0 SGs under contract for next year. Think it might be worth taking a peek at Morris Almond when there is absolutely nothing to lose in doing so? I think the Cs can manage a 10 day contract or two...
 

Well, there are games, they are something to lose.

I have no problem with them giving Almond a spot on the summerleague team, and an invite to camp next season to prove he can do something other than shoot.  However, I am not confident he is, or will ever be an NBA rotation player, so I would prefer the C's keep their focus on guys who actually deserve to be on an NBA floor.  

I think some of you need to realize that you don't successfully rebuild a franchise just by getting younger.  You rebuild a franchise by getting talent.  Yes, it helps when that talent is younger, because you have a larger window to put more talent around them, however, the talent is MUCH more important than the age.  If all you are doing is collecting mediocre (or worse) guys less than 25, then you are destined for 20 years of horrendous basketball.

I appreciate your point, though it's unneccsary to take it to the extreme. Like most Celtics fans, I wasn't born yesterday.

The Cs aren't going to turn into a pumpkin at midnight. They won't suddenly become the timberwolves because they sign a young guy or two to get some meaningful watch in practice or occasionally in games. But from where we sit currently, they're likely inevitably looking at a very painful few years of declining production from overpaid players and mediocre periperhal talent.   

The point: The writing is on the wall. The Cs have limited potential and limited assets. The constant aversion to taking chances of any kind on this board is disappointing. I'd rather take a chance or two than embrace defeat out of pride.

So no, losing games (which we do very well already) or the expense of 10 contracts (seriously?) are not great reasons to avoid having young players with a skill in practice or around the team. 

I have no aversion to taking chances, I have an aversion to thinking that players who can't make the worst team in the league would help this team at all.

The C's need an infusion of young talent, I agree with that.  But going after guys who are out of the league because they either can't play any defense, or really do anything except shoot (Almond), or who are complete headcases, and were nothing more than human pogo-sticks to begin with (Williams) are not the answer. 

And it makes no sense to make the move right now, since they would not get any playing time on this team.  First, because they are still trying to win, and second, because I believe that you get nowhere by giving young guys minutes they do not deserve...and those guys would never deserve minutes over the guys on the C's roster.  If either of them had a career half as productive as Scal's, I would be shocked.

So if you want to talk about the C's buying draft picks, fine, or if you want them to go after some young FA's, or maybe find a nice trade for a young guy or two, great.  But if they are going to take a risk on someone, they need a higher reward than those guys can give.

[winsomme]

I appreciate your optimiism, but don't agree. The guys that are already on the team are going to improve with age?

If you're not a contender, you're rebuilding. We have next to no young talent on this team, and if we don't get some the next few years are going to be U G L Y.

I'm not saying Williams is the result, but we're not going to find anyone who's going to greatly improve the Cs, so use this opportunity to take a look at guys who be useful in the future.

Even if the C's were looking to rebuild, Williams is the LAST guy I would be looking at.  He is lazy, has no fundamentals, and has had numerous off the court problems that stem from him being in BOSTON.  Oh yeah, and he isn't a very good basketball player.  

I am fine with them trying to get younger (next year), but he is not the answer.  I would rather they take a flier on Danny's favorite, Big Red, than this burnout.

Example: we have exactly 0 SGs under contract for next year. Think it might be worth taking a peek at Morris Almond when there is absolutely nothing to lose in doing so? I think the Cs can manage a 10 day contract or two...
 

Well, there are games, they are something to lose.

I have no problem with them giving Almond a spot on the summerleague team, and an invite to camp next season to prove he can do something other than shoot.  However, I am not confident he is, or will ever be an NBA rotation player, so I would prefer the C's keep their focus on guys who actually deserve to be on an NBA floor.  

I think some of you need to realize that you don't successfully rebuild a franchise just by getting younger.  You rebuild a franchise by getting talent.  Yes, it helps when that talent is younger, because you have a larger window to put more talent around them, however, the talent is MUCH more important than the age.  If all you are doing is collecting mediocre (or worse) guys less than 25, then you are destined for 20 years of horrendous basketball.

I appreciate your point, though it's unneccsary to take it to the extreme. Like most Celtics fans, I wasn't born yesterday.

The Cs aren't going to turn into a pumpkin at midnight. They won't suddenly become the timberwolves because they sign a young guy or two to get some meaningful watch in practice or occasionally in games. But from where we sit currently, they're likely inevitably looking at a very painful few years of declining production from overpaid players and mediocre periperhal talent.   

The point: The writing is on the wall. The Cs have limited potential and limited assets. The constant aversion to taking chances of any kind on this board is disappointing. I'd rather take a chance or two than embrace defeat out of pride.

So no, losing games (which we do very well already) or the expense of 10 contracts (seriously?) are not great reasons to avoid having young players with a skill in practice or around the team. 

I have no aversion to taking chances, I have an aversion to thinking that players who can't make the worst team in the league would help this team at all.

The C's need an infusion of young talent, I agree with that.  But going after guys who are out of the league because they either can't play any defense, or really do anything except shoot (Almond), or who are complete headcases, and were nothing more than human pogo-sticks to begin with (Williams) are not the answer. 

And it makes no sense to make the move right now, since they would not get any playing time on this team.  First, because they are still trying to win, and second, because I believe that you get nowhere by giving young guys minutes they do not deserve...and those guys would never deserve minutes over the guys on the C's roster.  If either of them had a career half as productive as Scal's, I would be shocked.

So if you want to talk about the C's buying draft picks, fine, or if you want them to go after some young FA's, or maybe find a nice trade for a young guy or two, great.  But if they are going to take a risk on someone, they need a higher reward than those guys can give.

Sean Williams would get PT. There are teams that Baby simply is not effective against. Yeah, you can keep throwing him out there, but to what end.

I still left with the same question: what is the downside of signing him?

If he's a headache, then release him. As for not making the Nets, they don't need specialists (someone skilled at one particular thing). The Cs actually could use shot blocking which Williams is good at. He's particularly good as a weak side shot blocker.

It's really a no brainer from where I'm sitting.

[ssspence]

I appreciate your optimiism, but don't agree. The guys that are already on the team are going to improve with age?

If you're not a contender, you're rebuilding. We have next to no young talent on this team, and if we don't get some the next few years are going to be U G L Y.

I'm not saying Williams is the result, but we're not going to find anyone who's going to greatly improve the Cs, so use this opportunity to take a look at guys who be useful in the future.

Even if the C's were looking to rebuild, Williams is the LAST guy I would be looking at.  He is lazy, has no fundamentals, and has had numerous off the court problems that stem from him being in BOSTON.  Oh yeah, and he isn't a very good basketball player.  

I am fine with them trying to get younger (next year), but he is not the answer.  I would rather they take a flier on Danny's favorite, Big Red, than this burnout.

Example: we have exactly 0 SGs under contract for next year. Think it might be worth taking a peek at Morris Almond when there is absolutely nothing to lose in doing so? I think the Cs can manage a 10 day contract or two...
 

Well, there are games, they are something to lose.

I have no problem with them giving Almond a spot on the summerleague team, and an invite to camp next season to prove he can do something other than shoot.  However, I am not confident he is, or will ever be an NBA rotation player, so I would prefer the C's keep their focus on guys who actually deserve to be on an NBA floor.  

I think some of you need to realize that you don't successfully rebuild a franchise just by getting younger.  You rebuild a franchise by getting talent.  Yes, it helps when that talent is younger, because you have a larger window to put more talent around them, however, the talent is MUCH more important than the age.  If all you are doing is collecting mediocre (or worse) guys less than 25, then you are destined for 20 years of horrendous basketball.

I appreciate your point, though it's unneccsary to take it to the extreme. Like most Celtics fans, I wasn't born yesterday.

The Cs aren't going to turn into a pumpkin at midnight. They won't suddenly become the timberwolves because they sign a young guy or two to get some meaningful watch in practice or occasionally in games. But from where we sit currently, they're likely inevitably looking at a very painful few years of declining production from overpaid players and mediocre periperhal talent.   

The point: The writing is on the wall. The Cs have limited potential and limited assets. The constant aversion to taking chances of any kind on this board is disappointing. I'd rather take a chance or two than embrace defeat out of pride.

So no, losing games (which we do very well already) or the expense of 10 contracts (seriously?) are not great reasons to avoid having young players with a skill in practice or around the team. 

I have no aversion to taking chances, I have an aversion to thinking that players who can't make the worst team in the league would help this team at all.

The C's need an infusion of young talent, I agree with that.  But going after guys who are out of the league because they either can't play any defense, or really do anything except shoot (Almond), or who are complete headcases, and were nothing more than human pogo-sticks to begin with (Williams) are not the answer. 

And it makes no sense to make the move right now, since they would not get any playing time on this team.  First, because they are still trying to win, and second, because I believe that you get nowhere by giving young guys minutes they do not deserve...and those guys would never deserve minutes over the guys on the C's roster.  If either of them had a career half as productive as Scal's, I would be shocked.

So if you want to talk about the C's buying draft picks, fine, or if you want them to go after some young FA's, or maybe find a nice trade for a young guy or two, great.  But if they are going to take a risk on someone, they need a higher reward than those guys can give.

Fine. No real problem with this. To each there own.

I'd like to see the Cs give a chance or two to a player with potential before the end of the year and / or be proactive about finding talent outside the draft, but point taken.

[Chris]

I appreciate your optimiism, but don't agree. The guys that are already on the team are going to improve with age?

If you're not a contender, you're rebuilding. We have next to no young talent on this team, and if we don't get some the next few years are going to be U G L Y.

I'm not saying Williams is the result, but we're not going to find anyone who's going to greatly improve the Cs, so use this opportunity to take a look at guys who be useful in the future.

Even if the C's were looking to rebuild, Williams is the LAST guy I would be looking at.  He is lazy, has no fundamentals, and has had numerous off the court problems that stem from him being in BOSTON.  Oh yeah, and he isn't a very good basketball player.  

I am fine with them trying to get younger (next year), but he is not the answer.  I would rather they take a flier on Danny's favorite, Big Red, than this burnout.

Example: we have exactly 0 SGs under contract for next year. Think it might be worth taking a peek at Morris Almond when there is absolutely nothing to lose in doing so? I think the Cs can manage a 10 day contract or two...
 

Well, there are games, they are something to lose.

I have no problem with them giving Almond a spot on the summerleague team, and an invite to camp next season to prove he can do something other than shoot.  However, I am not confident he is, or will ever be an NBA rotation player, so I would prefer the C's keep their focus on guys who actually deserve to be on an NBA floor.  

I think some of you need to realize that you don't successfully rebuild a franchise just by getting younger.  You rebuild a franchise by getting talent.  Yes, it helps when that talent is younger, because you have a larger window to put more talent around them, however, the talent is MUCH more important than the age.  If all you are doing is collecting mediocre (or worse) guys less than 25, then you are destined for 20 years of horrendous basketball.

I appreciate your point, though it's unneccsary to take it to the extreme. Like most Celtics fans, I wasn't born yesterday.

The Cs aren't going to turn into a pumpkin at midnight. They won't suddenly become the timberwolves because they sign a young guy or two to get some meaningful watch in practice or occasionally in games. But from where we sit currently, they're likely inevitably looking at a very painful few years of declining production from overpaid players and mediocre periperhal talent.   

The point: The writing is on the wall. The Cs have limited potential and limited assets. The constant aversion to taking chances of any kind on this board is disappointing. I'd rather take a chance or two than embrace defeat out of pride.

So no, losing games (which we do very well already) or the expense of 10 contracts (seriously?) are not great reasons to avoid having young players with a skill in practice or around the team. 

I have no aversion to taking chances, I have an aversion to thinking that players who can't make the worst team in the league would help this team at all.

The C's need an infusion of young talent, I agree with that.  But going after guys who are out of the league because they either can't play any defense, or really do anything except shoot (Almond), or who are complete headcases, and were nothing more than human pogo-sticks to begin with (Williams) are not the answer. 

And it makes no sense to make the move right now, since they would not get any playing time on this team.  First, because they are still trying to win, and second, because I believe that you get nowhere by giving young guys minutes they do not deserve...and those guys would never deserve minutes over the guys on the C's roster.  If either of them had a career half as productive as Scal's, I would be shocked.

So if you want to talk about the C's buying draft picks, fine, or if you want them to go after some young FA's, or maybe find a nice trade for a young guy or two, great.  But if they are going to take a risk on someone, they need a higher reward than those guys can give.

Sean Williams would get PT. There are teams that Baby simply is not effective against. Yeah, you can keep throwing him out there, but to what end.

I still left with the same question: what is the downside of signing him?

If he's a headache, then release him. As for not making the Nets, they don't need specialists (someone skilled at one particular thing). The Cs actually could use shot blocking which Williams is good at. He's particularly good as a weak side shot blocker.

It's really a no brainer from where I'm sitting.

I strongly disagree that Williams would get playing time.  A prerequisite to playing in Doc's system is understanding the defensive rotations, and Williams has never made a defensive rotation in his life. 

I would be surprised if he ever even dressed for a game if the C's signed him.

[winsomme]

I appreciate your optimiism, but don't agree. The guys that are already on the team are going to improve with age?

If you're not a contender, you're rebuilding. We have next to no young talent on this team, and if we don't get some the next few years are going to be U G L Y.

I'm not saying Williams is the result, but we're not going to find anyone who's going to greatly improve the Cs, so use this opportunity to take a look at guys who be useful in the future.

Even if the C's were looking to rebuild, Williams is the LAST guy I would be looking at.  He is lazy, has no fundamentals, and has had numerous off the court problems that stem from him being in BOSTON.  Oh yeah, and he isn't a very good basketball player.  

I am fine with them trying to get younger (next year), but he is not the answer.  I would rather they take a flier on Danny's favorite, Big Red, than this burnout.

Example: we have exactly 0 SGs under contract for next year. Think it might be worth taking a peek at Morris Almond when there is absolutely nothing to lose in doing so? I think the Cs can manage a 10 day contract or two...
 

Well, there are games, they are something to lose.

I have no problem with them giving Almond a spot on the summerleague team, and an invite to camp next season to prove he can do something other than shoot.  However, I am not confident he is, or will ever be an NBA rotation player, so I would prefer the C's keep their focus on guys who actually deserve to be on an NBA floor.  

I think some of you need to realize that you don't successfully rebuild a franchise just by getting younger.  You rebuild a franchise by getting talent.  Yes, it helps when that talent is younger, because you have a larger window to put more talent around them, however, the talent is MUCH more important than the age.  If all you are doing is collecting mediocre (or worse) guys less than 25, then you are destined for 20 years of horrendous basketball.

I appreciate your point, though it's unneccsary to take it to the extreme. Like most Celtics fans, I wasn't born yesterday.

The Cs aren't going to turn into a pumpkin at midnight. They won't suddenly become the timberwolves because they sign a young guy or two to get some meaningful watch in practice or occasionally in games. But from where we sit currently, they're likely inevitably looking at a very painful few years of declining production from overpaid players and mediocre periperhal talent.   

The point: The writing is on the wall. The Cs have limited potential and limited assets. The constant aversion to taking chances of any kind on this board is disappointing. I'd rather take a chance or two than embrace defeat out of pride.

So no, losing games (which we do very well already) or the expense of 10 contracts (seriously?) are not great reasons to avoid having young players with a skill in practice or around the team. 

I have no aversion to taking chances, I have an aversion to thinking that players who can't make the worst team in the league would help this team at all.

The C's need an infusion of young talent, I agree with that.  But going after guys who are out of the league because they either can't play any defense, or really do anything except shoot (Almond), or who are complete headcases, and were nothing more than human pogo-sticks to begin with (Williams) are not the answer. 

And it makes no sense to make the move right now, since they would not get any playing time on this team.  First, because they are still trying to win, and second, because I believe that you get nowhere by giving young guys minutes they do not deserve...and those guys would never deserve minutes over the guys on the C's roster.  If either of them had a career half as productive as Scal's, I would be shocked.

So if you want to talk about the C's buying draft picks, fine, or if you want them to go after some young FA's, or maybe find a nice trade for a young guy or two, great.  But if they are going to take a risk on someone, they need a higher reward than those guys can give.

Sean Williams would get PT. There are teams that Baby simply is not effective against. Yeah, you can keep throwing him out there, but to what end.

I still left with the same question: what is the downside of signing him?

If he's a headache, then release him. As for not making the Nets, they don't need specialists (someone skilled at one particular thing). The Cs actually could use shot blocking which Williams is good at. He's particularly good as a weak side shot blocker.

It's really a no brainer from where I'm sitting.

I strongly disagree that Williams would get playing time.  A prerequisite to playing in Doc's system is understanding the defensive rotations, and Williams has never made a defensive rotation in his life. 

I would be surprised if he ever even dressed for a game if the C's signed him.

Mikki Moore got playing time and was completely lost on defense....

[Chris]

I appreciate your optimiism, but don't agree. The guys that are already on the team are going to improve with age?

If you're not a contender, you're rebuilding. We have next to no young talent on this team, and if we don't get some the next few years are going to be U G L Y.

I'm not saying Williams is the result, but we're not going to find anyone who's going to greatly improve the Cs, so use this opportunity to take a look at guys who be useful in the future.

Even if the C's were looking to rebuild, Williams is the LAST guy I would be looking at.  He is lazy, has no fundamentals, and has had numerous off the court problems that stem from him being in BOSTON.  Oh yeah, and he isn't a very good basketball player.  

I am fine with them trying to get younger (next year), but he is not the answer.  I would rather they take a flier on Danny's favorite, Big Red, than this burnout.

Example: we have exactly 0 SGs under contract for next year. Think it might be worth taking a peek at Morris Almond when there is absolutely nothing to lose in doing so? I think the Cs can manage a 10 day contract or two...
 

Well, there are games, they are something to lose.

I have no problem with them giving Almond a spot on the summerleague team, and an invite to camp next season to prove he can do something other than shoot.  However, I am not confident he is, or will ever be an NBA rotation player, so I would prefer the C's keep their focus on guys who actually deserve to be on an NBA floor.  

I think some of you need to realize that you don't successfully rebuild a franchise just by getting younger.  You rebuild a franchise by getting talent.  Yes, it helps when that talent is younger, because you have a larger window to put more talent around them, however, the talent is MUCH more important than the age.  If all you are doing is collecting mediocre (or worse) guys less than 25, then you are destined for 20 years of horrendous basketball.

I appreciate your point, though it's unneccsary to take it to the extreme. Like most Celtics fans, I wasn't born yesterday.

The Cs aren't going to turn into a pumpkin at midnight. They won't suddenly become the timberwolves because they sign a young guy or two to get some meaningful watch in practice or occasionally in games. But from where we sit currently, they're likely inevitably looking at a very painful few years of declining production from overpaid players and mediocre periperhal talent.   

The point: The writing is on the wall. The Cs have limited potential and limited assets. The constant aversion to taking chances of any kind on this board is disappointing. I'd rather take a chance or two than embrace defeat out of pride.

So no, losing games (which we do very well already) or the expense of 10 contracts (seriously?) are not great reasons to avoid having young players with a skill in practice or around the team. 

I have no aversion to taking chances, I have an aversion to thinking that players who can't make the worst team in the league would help this team at all.

The C's need an infusion of young talent, I agree with that.  But going after guys who are out of the league because they either can't play any defense, or really do anything except shoot (Almond), or who are complete headcases, and were nothing more than human pogo-sticks to begin with (Williams) are not the answer. 

And it makes no sense to make the move right now, since they would not get any playing time on this team.  First, because they are still trying to win, and second, because I believe that you get nowhere by giving young guys minutes they do not deserve...and those guys would never deserve minutes over the guys on the C's roster.  If either of them had a career half as productive as Scal's, I would be shocked.

So if you want to talk about the C's buying draft picks, fine, or if you want them to go after some young FA's, or maybe find a nice trade for a young guy or two, great.  But if they are going to take a risk on someone, they need a higher reward than those guys can give.

Sean Williams would get PT. There are teams that Baby simply is not effective against. Yeah, you can keep throwing him out there, but to what end.

I still left with the same question: what is the downside of signing him?

If he's a headache, then release him. As for not making the Nets, they don't need specialists (someone skilled at one particular thing). The Cs actually could use shot blocking which Williams is good at. He's particularly good as a weak side shot blocker.

It's really a no brainer from where I'm sitting.

I strongly disagree that Williams would get playing time.  A prerequisite to playing in Doc's system is understanding the defensive rotations, and Williams has never made a defensive rotation in his life. 

I would be surprised if he ever even dressed for a game if the C's signed him.

Mikki Moore got playing time and was completely lost on defense....

OK, if KG, Sheed, and Shelden Williams all go down with injuries, then you might see that idiot on the floor.  But until then, I don't think he gets on the bench, let alone the floor.

Williams is much more POB than Mikkie Moore anyways.