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Did Rasheed Infect the Team with "Lazy"?
« on: February 28, 2010, 01:57:24 PM »

Offline Bankshot

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I hate to put the blame on one guy, but in '08 and last season without KG, this team hustled their butts off and played great defense.  They started out good this year, but then Sheed started playing lazy, soon after the team followed.

I'm not really blaming Sheed, because frankly, if the team would allow one player's attitude to infect the entire team, that's on them.  It should have been the other way around, their hustle and hard work rubbing off onto Rasheed, but it hasn't.

Again, not really blaming Sheed, because it's on the Celtics if they let Rasheed's attitude infect the whole team.

Seems like none of the players had this attitude until Rasheed got here.  And I loved the Rasheed signing. :-\
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If Wallace was the team leader, then yes.



But KG, Pierce and Ray should be the leaders.  They should be pushing through out this season. 



It falls on their shoulders (and the coaching staff)

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« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2010, 02:02:55 PM »

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I hate to put the blame on one guy, but in '08 and last season without KG, this team hustled their butts off and played great defense.  They started out good this year, but then Sheed started playing lazy, soon after the team followed.

I'm not really blaming Sheed, because frankly, if the team would allow one player's attitude to infect the entire team, that's on them.  It should have been the other way around, their hustle and hard work rubbing off onto Rasheed, but it hasn't.

Again, not really blaming Sheed, because it's on the Celtics if they let Rasheed's attitude infect the whole team.

Seems like none of the players had this attitude until Rasheed got here.  And I loved the Rasheed signing. :-\

I think this Rasheed is infecting the team with lazyness is pure crap. Rasheed has a pretty good January, and our team was still playing like crap.

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« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2010, 02:07:42 PM »

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I hate to put the blame on one guy, but in '08 and last season without KG, this team hustled their butts off and played great defense.  They started out good this year, but then Sheed started playing lazy, soon after the team followed.

I'm not really blaming Sheed, because frankly, if the team would allow one player's attitude to infect the entire team, that's on them.  It should have been the other way around, their hustle and hard work rubbing off onto Rasheed, but it hasn't.

Again, not really blaming Sheed, because it's on the Celtics if they let Rasheed's attitude infect the whole team.

Seems like none of the players had this attitude until Rasheed got here.  And I loved the Rasheed signing. :-\

I think this Rasheed is infecting the team with lazyness is pure crap. Rasheed has a pretty good January, and our team was still playing like crap.

Why didn't they have this "we don't care" attitude before?  Why only after Wallace is on the team? I'm just desperate for answers. :-[
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« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2010, 02:15:25 PM »

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One player can't affect and change the entire mentality of the team, Sheed is not responsible for the team's laziness and slopiness (a slopiness that we witnessed last year too, although not to that extent).

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« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2010, 02:16:32 PM »

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I agree with you, Bankshot.  Rasheed is a team leader- he and KG have the most dominant personalities on the team.  Look on the bench or during warmups and introductions- several players are looking at and dancing with Rasheed, just goofing off.  He is a new player but he is a veteran with a super strong personality.  From what I see he is far more influential than Ray, Paul, Perk, and Rondo.  Players gravitate to Rasheed, and he goofs off and plays lazily.  He's definitely part of the problem, not part of the solution.

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« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2010, 02:18:35 PM »

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Players like PJ Brown, Powe, Posey, and of course KG look like they are heading into battle before a game.  Sheed looks like he's trying out for Dancing with the Stars.

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« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2010, 02:19:54 PM »

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Players like PJ Brown, Powe, Posey, and of course KG look like they are heading into battle before a game.  Sheed looks like he's trying out for Dancing with the Stars.

I guess LeBron James has a poisonous attitude and a lazy attitude too since he dances pre-game with his teammates. ::)

Stop making Sheed the scapegoat for the team's general attitude, this is ridiculous. If you really think that KG, Ray, Paul, proven veterans, are influenced like rookies by Sheed's personality, then I don't know what to tell you because frankly, it would mean you have a terrible image of these guys.

And even Rondo and Perk have proven that they have strong personalities and are not the kind to be influenced like that.

One guy can't change the entire team's mentality like that and make it sloppy (and once again, we've seen this slopiness last year too, to a lesser extent).

I guess you could also blame Marquis too because the guy looks half-asleep on the court, and, you know, seeing guys looking half-asleep can really change the entire team's attitude.

Seriously...

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« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2010, 02:23:23 PM »

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I disagree about the hustling and playing great last season even before KG got injured. I thought their play all season was mostly inconsistent and frustrating with frequent lethargic starts, some sloppy finishes and thrilling late game heroics to pull out wins and keep our record great. Honestly I don't think they had more than a two week stretch were they played well on both ends of the floor.

I see this season as an extension of the last one. The difference is we're not winning as much because we've had so many injuries to our key players and the team is a little older and slower.

I don't blame Sheed for a problem I think existed before he got here. He's not helping obviously but he's definitely not the cause.
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« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2010, 02:24:54 PM »

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Players like PJ Brown, Powe, Posey, and of course KG look like they are heading into battle before a game.  Sheed looks like he's trying out for Dancing with the Stars.

I guess LeBron James has a poisonous attitude and a lazy attitude too since he dances pre-game with his teammates. ::)

Stop making Sheed the scapegoat for the team's general attitude, this is ridiculous. If you really think that KG, Ray, Paul, proven veterans, are influenced like rookies by Sheed's personality, then I don't know what to tell you because frankly, it would mean you have a terrible image of these guys.

And even Rondo and Perk have proven that they have strong personalities and are not the kind to be influenced like that.

One guy can't change the entire team's mentality like that and make it sloppy (and once again, we've seen this slopiness last year too, to a lesser extent).

I guess you could also blame Marquis too because the guy looks half-asleep on the court, and, you know, seeing guys looking half-asleep can really change the entire team's attitude.

Seriously...
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« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2010, 02:25:19 PM »

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I disagree about the hustling and playing great last season even before KG got injured. I thought their play all season was mostly inconsistent and frustrating with frequent lethargic starts, some sloppy finishes and thrilling late game heroics to pull out wins and keep our record great. Honestly I don't think they had more than a two week stretch were they played well on both ends of the floor.

I see this season as an extension of the last one. The difference is we're not winning as much because we've had so many injuries to our key players and the team is a little older and slower.

I don't blame Sheed for a problem I think existed before he got here. He's not helping obviously but he's definitely not the cause.


Exactly. People seem to have selective memories.

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« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2010, 02:31:10 PM »

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I thought they competed pretty well last year without KG.  I never got the impression that they just weren't trying to win, like I get sometimes this year.

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« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2010, 02:38:12 PM »

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Kind of funny how when Magic was at the tail end of the year he would talk about how important it was to not waste energy, steps, or go too all out on every single play in order to be able to be effective when he needed to be. He basically kept saying he had to take plays off and not give 100% every play since he was older. No one took that as him being a lazy player. Sheed has an aloof personality and is smart enough to realize he can't run up and down the court at 100% like he could 10 years back. The only game that I felt like he was slacking and should have given a lot more effort was against Cleveland when Varejao and Hickson were getting every single offensive board and put back. On that same note they were doing it to BBD as well. I think he is pacing himself for good or bad and not trying to be lazy. His aloof personality just makes it seem that way. I definitely don't question his desire to win or whether or not he will bring it in the playoffs.

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« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2010, 02:46:46 PM »

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I thought they competed pretty well last year without KG.  I never got the impression that they just weren't trying to win, like I get sometimes this year.

I guess you've missed the countless threads over the past seasons complaining about how Pierce doesn't look like he's playing hard at times. About Rondo's defensive problems and he doesn't push the ball as he should, etc., etc.

We went into a similar funk last year after Christmas for a period of two weeks. In fact, we lost 4 games in a row. But we came out of it quite fine until KG go injured.

This year has been quite longer though, but it's nothing new for the team. Our problems from the past are simply being accentuated at the moment. And just a week ago we were kinda coming out of that funk playing some pretty good basketball, but Pierce went down. Coincidentally, our funk has been during a period where we've been battling injuries and recently a flu that has plagued our team. For whatever it's worth...

I'll say again what I said some weeks ago. Most of our problems parallel what Rondo is doing on the floor. When he's on and playing as he should, our team looks pretty great on both sides of the floor. When he stops doing it, our team looks like crap. He's our point man, and he carries with him the tempo and rhythm of our team.

For some reason, he hasn't been showing up much during second halves after promising first halves. People started blaming Pierce for this because he was supposedly taking control of the offense instead of Rondo. Pierce is not here now, and yet Rondo still has been doing a bit of his disappearing act in the second halves of games, particularly in the 3rd quarter. At times he turns it up again during the 4th, but many times it's just a bit too late.

So, if anything, let's tell Rondo to keep up the tempo and energy in both sides of the ball, and the team follows suit quite well. When he fails at this, the results speak for themselves.

Let me just say this, I think Rondo has been very good for us this year, but it has been a rare sight to see him having great nights for a full game. This should be his next step in his development. At least he's been more consistent from game to game.

Kind of funny how when Magic was at the tail end of the year he would talk about how important it was to not waste energy, steps, or go too all out on every single play in order to be able to be effective when he needed to be. He basically kept saying he had to take plays off and not give 100% every play since he was older. No one took that as him being a lazy player. Sheed has an aloof personality and is smart enough to realize he can't run up and down the court at 100% like he could 10 years back. The only game that I felt like he was slacking and should have given a lot more effort was against Cleveland when Varejao and Hickson were getting every single offensive board and put back. On that same note they were doing it to BBD as well. I think he is pacing himself for good or bad and not trying to be lazy. His aloof personality just makes it seem that way. I definitely don't question his desire to win or whether or not he will bring it in the playoffs.

EJ, I rarely agree with you, but you're spot on with this. And the Lakers game... let's not forget about his Lakers game hehe.

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this team is infected with oldness and injuryness...

yeah, maybe they don't care like they should...but i don't think that can be pinned on just one player.  this team just isn't as good as 2 years ago, and that's the measuring stick everybody wants to use.
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