Did Rasheed Infect the Team with "Lazy"?

[LB3533]

Everyone has to "buy in" to this laziness.

It's not just one guy that "infects" everyone else.

KG did change our culture 2 years ago, but EVERYONE had to buy in and follow that change, for it to work.

Look at Obama, he proclaimed for change, not everyone is buying it.

[sk7326]

The team played with an edge in 2008 - but the edge has seeped into arrogance.  So often you hear the sound "we have experience" - the experience constitutes one season.  KG has the scars - Sheed does to a lesser extent (but nobody would confuse him with heroism) - but it's not like the Celtics suddenly collectively discovered some Rosetta Stone for winning big games that eluded other people.

They won because they were unselfish, shot better, defended harder than anybody else and competed harder.  Now a lot of that is missing - most notably the shooting bit. 

[arctic 3.0]

looking at this team i see one thing missing. leon powe.
last year he was the guy who stepped up to fill in for the loss of posey. whether he was taking a charge, battling 1 on 4 for a rebound or punishing the opposing defense with an in your face dunk, powe was the x factor that teams had a hard time neutralizing. after he went down baby filled in ok, but could not and does not play with the ferocity that made leon so valuable.
we replaced him with sheed, a taller,more well rounded vet who may bring lots to the table but not what the team is starving for. when was the last time either baby or sheed slid into the lane take a charge? how about second chance points off the offensive glass? whats more demoralizing than playing 24 seconds of good d, resulting in a missed shot, only to see leon gather the rebound and throw down an emphatic dunk. kid has KG fire and a bruisers game. we can't replace that with baby's more polished O or even 1000 sheeds. 

Baby goes to take charges all the time....and would people already just forget about Posey/Powe???!! Its ridiculous powe as of now and this year would have done zero for this team

obviously he would have done nothing while injured. but do you really think that if we resigned powe and he came back from his injury in the same time frame as he is with cleveland, he would do nothing for this teams chances? that his infusion of hustle, rebounds and fire would have little effect on our prospects?

i think he would be a welcome addition to the squad.

also, i've not been harping on the loss powe/posey. i mention him to bring a different perspective to the question of whether the sheed signing was a mistake. and given that we signed sheed the same offseason as we chose not to sign leon it seems to me to be a valid comment.

Would he really give us any more than Baby or Wallace currently are giving us

Would he effect this team's inability to take care of the ball or shoot better from outside or make the starters not give up huge leads or have the second team go long stretches without scoring

I doubt it

Leon didn't look like he was any better than Sheldon Williams in that comeback game against us

Maybe he looked better in the next game he played but, come on, even if he were to return at his peak effectiveness and efficiency he EVER played at, he would be a drop in the well of what this team needs to fix itself

i'd give him a few weeks/months before deciding that he will never return to form. personally i dread meeting him in the playoffs.

would he stay in the paint, collect rebounds and put them back with out being stuffed?
would he increase our second chance points, throw down monster dunks and scream in the face of the player he just posterized?
would he put his stamp on every stretch of action he saw? sure he would. would that effect the opo's ability to mount big runs? would it effect the energy level of his teammates? he was the opposite of sheed. he incited his team through hustle and fire sheed (who could kick it up by dominating in the paint) shoots low percentage 3's that act like pee on a campfire. baby plays hard but there is nothing more demoralizing then watching your big get stuffed repeatedly on easy putbacks. this years bench has no one who brings it like powe brought it.

[housecall]

Thats like saying the team is full of weak minded players?

[arctic 3.0]

Thats like saying the team is full of weak minded players?

yeah that's what i'm sayin' KG, pierce and ray allen are weak minded... come on.

any team is effected by momentum swings.
we just lost to the nets so ... did we loose to a more talented team or did we beat ourselves. that's does not mean i'm saying KG's weak.

the team lacks the low minute, high impact bruiser that can demoralize the opo.

what we have instead is a low minute, low energy, low impact, center who's low % 3 point shots open the door for the opo to swing the momentum the other way. and a low minute, low center of gravity , low lift PF who's lack of ups opens the door for the opo to swat his shots away and build some defensive confidence.
 

[Rashi]

http://bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/celtics/view.bg?articleid=1236251&srvc=sports&position=3


Have you guys read that article?


Hopefully the C's do bring out Sheed's inside game and not just wait till the Playoffs to show what Sheed has really got inside the post.

[footey]

KG does not want to get in other guys' faces this year.  Sheed and Perk particularly need their butts kicked sometimes, and Garnett will not do it. For all his faults, the one guy who gives 100% hustle 100% of the time is BBD. I wish we could get that kind of effort from the other bigs.

[nandy16]

I thought about writing this as my first thread (By the way, this is the best Celtics discussion board with the smartest fanbase) but figured it would cause a lot of disagreements amongst us all.

After further review I don't like the Rasheed signing at all. His laziness has rubbed off on our team (even on Rondo who would never give up on broken plays in the past). He rarely gives 100% effort. He will not play in the post unless he has a mismatch. He also has a habit of shooting 3's which he misses 75% of the time, even when he is wide open. He could step in a little closer but that would take effort on his part. And I find it funny when he hits one, he gets all giddy and acts like he is the man.

He claims he will turn it up in the playoffs but did you see him in the playoffs last year when Detroit got swept? He knew his team was not beating Cleveland so he pretty much gave up. What will he do when the Celtics get a top quality opponent in the playoffs this year?

He will not turn it up in the playoffs like he claims. When the Celtics went up to Rasheed's doorstep in the recruitment pitch they thought they were getting the title hungry Rasheed who would be the final piece needed for another title. But what they got was an older complacent shell of his former self. Yes he may be a great teammate and I am sure his teammates love him but he has been an extreme disappointment.

I love my Celtic team and have watched them since I was a kid. I support the team no matter what but I am very disappointed in the coaching and overall effort this season. I hope they turn things around. I just want them to give their best and if that is not enough I can live with it.

[housecall]

Thats like saying the team is full of weak minded players?

yeah that's what i'm sayin' KG, pierce and ray allen are weak minded... come on.

any team is effected by momentum swings.
we just lost to the nets so ... did we loose to a more talented team or did we beat ourselves. that's does not mean i'm saying KG's weak.

the team lacks the low minute, high impact bruiser that can demoralize the opo.

what we have instead is a low minute, low energy, low impact, center who's low % 3 point shots open the door for the opo to swing the momentum the other way. and a low minute, low center of gravity , low lift PF who's lack of ups opens the door for the opo to swat his shots away and build some defensive confidence.
 

my post was intended for the thread title,ok

[arctic 3.0]

Thats like saying the team is full of weak minded players?

yeah that's what i'm sayin' KG, pierce and ray allen are weak minded... come on.

any team is effected by momentum swings.
we just lost to the nets so ... did we loose to a more talented team or did we beat ourselves. that's does not mean i'm saying KG's weak.

the team lacks the low minute, high impact bruiser that can demoralize the opo.

what we have instead is a low minute, low energy, low impact, center who's low % 3 point shots open the door for the opo to swing the momentum the other way. and a low minute, low center of gravity , low lift PF who's lack of ups opens the door for the opo to swat his shots away and build some defensive confidence.
 

my post was intended for the thread title,ok

gotcha
what exactly was the title of this tread anyway

[arctic 3.0]

the sheed effect:
like peeing on the campfire, douses the fire and stinks up the joint.

[moiso]

Early in the first half of the Nets' game, Sheed is jogging back on defense. He sees his man, Brook Lopez, sprinting toward the hoop, but makes no effort to catch him. Sure enough, a couple of seconds later, a crisp pass is deliverd to Lopez for an uncontested score.

That scene would never have happened in the 07/08 year. Or if it did, KG would go ballistic on the culprit. Ballistic.  There was not one player who got on Sheed for his non-chalance.  not even KG.

   If it's the play I'm thinking of, Sheed wasn't jogging up the court, he was putting out the effort but he was just slower than Lopez. Not amazing given their ages.

This play angered me.  Sheed had a huge headstart on Lopez who ended up dunking with Rasheed way behind him.  I saw total slacking on this play, age had nothing to do with it.  Clifford Ray could have beaten Lopez down the court from where they started.  And Lopez is no Devin Harris in tearms of speed anyway.  I've been thinking of that play since the moment I yelled at the tv when I saw it.

[LooseCannon]

I agree that three point shooting has been a major problem for this team this season ... 38% shooting on 19 attempts per game down to 34% shooting on 17.9 attempts per game. ... I think the loss of that weapon has deceased the offense's level of versatility. Ability to score in different ways at a high level.

Is it just me or have the Celtics been missing a lot on that potential dagger three through an opponent's heart that halts the momentum of an attempted third quarter comeback?

[BballTim]

I agree that three point shooting has been a major problem for this team this season ... 38% shooting on 19 attempts per game down to 34% shooting on 17.9 attempts per game. ... I think the loss of that weapon has deceased the offense's level of versatility. Ability to score in different ways at a high level.

Is it just me or have the Celtics been missing a lot on that potential dagger three through an opponent's heart that halts the momentum of an attempted third quarter comeback?

  On the flip side, I think they frequently go to the three too soon when they can make more hay by driving to the hole.

[PLamb]

looking at this team i see one thing missing. leon powe.
last year he was the guy who stepped up to fill in for the loss of posey. whether he was taking a charge, battling 1 on 4 for a rebound or punishing the opposing defense with an in your face dunk, powe was the x factor that teams had a hard time neutralizing. after he went down baby filled in ok, but could not and does not play with the ferocity that made leon so valuable.
we replaced him with sheed, a taller,more well rounded vet who may bring lots to the table but not what the team is starving for. when was the last time either baby or sheed slid into the lane take a charge? how about second chance points off the offensive glass? whats more demoralizing than playing 24 seconds of good d, resulting in a missed shot, only to see leon gather the rebound and throw down an emphatic dunk. kid has KG fire and a bruisers game. we can't replace that with baby's more polished O or even 1000 sheeds. 

Baby goes to take charges all the time....and would people already just forget about Posey/Powe???!! Its ridiculous powe as of now and this year would have done zero for this team

obviously he would have done nothing while injured. but do you really think that if we resigned powe and he came back from his injury in the same time frame as he is with cleveland, he would do nothing for this teams chances? that his infusion of hustle, rebounds and fire would have little effect on our prospects?

i think he would be a welcome addition to the squad.

also, i've not been harping on the loss powe/posey. i mention him to bring a different perspective to the question of whether the sheed signing was a mistake. and given that we signed sheed the same offseason as we chose not to sign leon it seems to me to be a valid comment.

Would he really give us any more than Baby or Wallace currently are giving us

Would he effect this team's inability to take care of the ball or shoot better from outside or make the starters not give up huge leads or have the second team go long stretches without scoring

I doubt it

Leon didn't look like he was any better than Sheldon Williams in that comeback game against us

Maybe he looked better in the next game he played but, come on, even if he were to return at his peak effectiveness and efficiency he EVER played at, he would be a drop in the well of what this team needs to fix itself

i'd give him a few weeks/months before deciding that he will never return to form. personally i dread meeting him in the playoffs.

would he stay in the paint, collect rebounds and put them back with out being stuffed?
would he increase our second chance points, throw down monster dunks and scream in the face of the player he just posterized?
would he put his stamp on every stretch of action he saw? sure he would. would that effect the opo's ability to mount big runs? would it effect the energy level of his teammates? he was the opposite of sheed. he incited his team through hustle and fire sheed (who could kick it up by dominating in the paint) shoots low percentage 3's that act like pee on a campfire. baby plays hard but there is nothing more demoralizing then watching your big get stuffed repeatedly on easy putbacks. this years bench has no one who brings it like powe brought it.

Again, what would Powe being back have to do with taking better care of the ball, stagnant offense, the starters stinking up the joint, the injuries or the other myriad of problems this team has that would not be fixed by simply having Powe instead of Sheldon Williams

Here's the answer

NOTHING

He will be rounding into playing shape just about the time March is ending

His addition to this team and/or retention by this team would not be some magic elixir to fix its ills simply because Leon could grab a rebound and put it back with authority or jump in front of someone to take a charge on a regular basis by April

Now a healthy Leon on next year's team would be a different story

This year, as I said, what he brings would be a drop in the well of what this team needs to right itself