Why I want Danny gone

[BballTim]

Ainge said he didn't see any big trade helping us out, and that we could win a championship with our current guys. WAKE UP! We lost to the Nets w/out Pierce, but still the NETS! A team that can't beat the Nets can't in any way beat Orlando or Cleveland in a 7 game series, no way! Fire Danny Wyc! Please, now!

  Too bad this boards wasn't in existence when the 86 team lost to the worst team in the league on national television after building a 33 point lead. The ensuing trade proposals would have been pretty entertaining.

[cdif911]

Ainge said he didn't see any big trade helping us out, and that we could win a championship with our current guys. WAKE UP! We lost to the Nets w/out Pierce, but still the NETS! A team that can't beat the Nets can't in any way beat Orlando or Cleveland in a 7 game series, no way! Fire Danny Wyc! Please, now!

  Too bad this boards wasn't in existence when the 86 team lost to the worst team in the league on national television after building a 33 point lead. The ensuing trade proposals would have been pretty entertaining.

good call, Bird needs to be shipped off now!

[looseball]

I'm sorry, but people really think that the reason for our problems is not signing Posey?

How has he turned out for NO?
Oh, yeah, he is virtually untradable, playing badly with a long contract.

He wouldn't have changed anything regarding KG's knees: he would have taken BBD's minutes, not KG's who was at a near career low 30 mpg last year.

If there's a player who doesn't give a crap and is merely playing out his last contract, that player is posey.

As people on this board are so wont to do, you totally miss the point with Posey.

Last season - you know, the one where Pierce ran out of gas at the end because he had no competent backup - was compromised by the decision not to resign Posey. Period.

Greatly increasing a star's minutes because there is "no competent backup" is bad strategy in the short run, as the player eventually runs out of gas anyway (like you said).  It's even worse in the long run, as the player begins to break down.

It's up to the coach to wisely use the players at his disposal, and take his chances with them.  Big Baby played really well in the playoffs, so backups can surprise you.

[dlpin]

As people on this board are so wont to do, you totally miss the point with Posey.

Last season - you know, the one where Pierce ran out of gas at the end because he had no competent backup - was compromised by the decision not to resign Posey. Period.

This year has little or nothing to do with Posey, but the fact is Grousbeck pinched pennies after the title. Pierce was slowing down last year, and why anyone is surprised by this year escapes me. We put a BUNCH of unnecessary miles on him last year to save Grousbeck a couple of bucks - not to mention totally ignoring the reality that the window with this group was so tight that one season could not be discarded.

Were we going to win it all without Garnett? No. But Grousbeck didn't know that while he was staring at Lincoln's imprint on his thumb 18 months ago, did he?

How can I be missing the point if I was replying directly to the point that was made in a post immediately above mine?

And how the hell can Wyc be accused of pinching pennies when that very same offseason they offered the full MLE at a similar length for Maggette? And when this year we have the third highest payroll in the league because we offered the MLE for 3 years for Sheed?

It is more than clear that Wyc wanted to spend the MLE that offseason. Ainge just thought that Posey wasn't worth the number of years he was getting from NO. And guess what? He was RIGHT!

[BballTim]

I'm sorry, but people really think that the reason for our problems is not signing Posey?

How has he turned out for NO?
Oh, yeah, he is virtually untradable, playing badly with a long contract.

He wouldn't have changed anything regarding KG's knees: he would have taken BBD's minutes, not KG's who was at a near career low 30 mpg last year.

If there's a player who doesn't give a crap and is merely playing out his last contract, that player is posey.

As people on this board are so wont to do, you totally miss the point with Posey.

Last season - you know, the one where Pierce ran out of gas at the end because he had no competent backup - was compromised by the decision not to resign Posey. Period.

This year has little or nothing to do with Posey, but the fact is Grousbeck pinched pennies after the title. Pierce was slowing down last year, and why anyone is surprised by this year escapes me. We put a BUNCH of unnecessary miles on him last year to save Grousbeck a couple of bucks - not to mention totally ignoring the reality that the window with this group was so tight that one season could not be discarded.

Were we going to win it all without Garnett? No. But Grousbeck didn't know that while he was staring at Lincoln's imprint on his thumb 18 months ago, did he?

  Last year, if KG was healthy, we could have easily won the title. Not having Posey didn't kill our title hopes. Having Posey would have had much less of an impact on Paul's minutes than KG's injury did. And the reason this year has little or nothing to do with Posey is that, unsurprisingly, his play is dropping off. He still has 2+ years left on that ridiculous deal that Danny was smart enough to pass on.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I'm sorry, but people really think that the reason for our problems is not signing Posey?

How has he turned out for NO?
Oh, yeah, he is virtually untradable, playing badly with a long contract.

He wouldn't have changed anything regarding KG's knees: he would have taken BBD's minutes, not KG's who was at a near career low 30 mpg last year.

If there's a player who doesn't give a crap and is merely playing out his last contract, that player is posey.

As people on this board are so wont to do, you totally miss the point with Posey.

Last season - you know, the one where Pierce ran out of gas at the end because he had no competent backup - was compromised by the decision not to resign Posey. Period.

This year has little or nothing to do with Posey, but the fact is Grousbeck pinched pennies after the title. Pierce was slowing down last year, and why anyone is surprised by this year escapes me. We put a BUNCH of unnecessary miles on him last year to save Grousbeck a couple of bucks - not to mention totally ignoring the reality that the window with this group was so tight that one season could not be discarded.

Were we going to win it all without Garnett? No. But Grousbeck didn't know that while he was staring at Lincoln's imprint on his thumb 18 months ago, did he?

Come on CoachBo, what the are you talking about? Posey had nothing to do with what happened last year. Injuries did. This is quite clear to just about everyone. The KG injury, the Tony Allen injury, the Scalabrine injury, and the Leon Powe injury. After all this occurred, Doc mishandled the situation (minutes), but it all started with the string of injuries mentioned above.

And once again, you're way off with the Pierce situation. The only reason Pierce looks like he's "slowing down" it's because once again of injuries, not because of how he ran out of gas last year, etc. etc. He was having great season earlier in the season. He also had a [dang] good January, but once again he re-injured himself. So now he looks like crap. But obviously, all of this is due to James Posey. Come on.

[wdleehi]

So, Ainge gathered the pieces that he was able to use to trade for two all-star  players that gave the Celtics another title and a three year window of being true contenders.



And it was all luck?  Ainge and the Celtics just walked into these deals?



Two teams in recent memory won titles without getting lucky in the draft with a top 5 player or being a hub that top FAs want to go.



Boston and Detroit. 


It takes some good smart roster moves to do that.




And you want to see him gone? 

[More Banners]

So, Ainge gathered the pieces that he was able to use to trade for two all-star  players that gave the Celtics another title and a three year window of being true contenders.



And it was all luck?  Ainge and the Celtics just walked into these deals?



Two teams in recent memory won titles without getting lucky in the draft with a top 5 player or being a hub that top FAs want to go.



Boston and Detroit. 


It takes some good smart roster moves to do that.




And you want to see him gone? 

Well said.  TP.

Notice how both franchises raised expectations, then struggled to continue meeting them.  The sad truth is that deals and signings aren't always there when you need them.

[screwedupmaniac]

Danny Ainge has helped this team. A lot. He made it possible to win a championship, and picked up some amazing parts for super cheap (Rondo, Perk, Davis...) but I'm fed up. Ainge said he didn't see any big trade helping us out, and that we could win a championship with our current guys. WAKE UP! We lost to the Nets w/out Pierce, but still the NETS! A team that can't beat the Nets can't in any way beat Orlando or Cleveland in a 7 game series, no way! Fire Danny Wyc! Please, now!

Also, I love Paul Pierce, but if, for the sake of the team, a trade comes up involving Paul this summer, will we accept if it makes us better? Will Wyc? What's more important loyalty, or being a decent team that can BEAT THE NETS!?

Dude, you have it backwards...Danny explored all of his options, came up with the opportunity to get Butler and Jamison for Ray, and the owners turned it down because of all the money coming back. It's not that there wasn't opportunities; it's that ownership can only pay so much.

[PLamb]

So, Ainge gathered the pieces that he was able to use to trade for two all-star  players that gave the Celtics another title and a three year window of being true contenders.



And it was all luck?  Ainge and the Celtics just walked into these deals?



Two teams in recent memory won titles without getting lucky in the draft with a top 5 player or being a hub that top FAs want to go.



Boston and Detroit. 


It takes some good smart roster moves to do that.




And you want to see him gone? 

Well said.  TP.

Notice how both franchises raised expectations, then struggled to continue meeting them.  The sad truth is that deals and signings aren't always there when you need them.

I agree

Very well said indeed!!!

[openairmovie]

What it comes down to is Danny Ainge doesnt have the balls to make bold moves

  Haha. KG says hello.

As most people do who lurk message boards  your missing the point of what I said    when his job is on the line, or when ANY GM's job is on the line  they all would make a trade like that, no questions asked.   But when it comes down to it, it was proven this year Danny didnt have the balls to trade away Ray for younger talent.  It will be proven time and time again from here on out that Danny doesnt have the guts to make the big moves without being forced to make them

[wdleehi]

What it comes down to is Danny Ainge doesnt have the balls to make bold moves

  Haha. KG says hello.

As most people do who lurk message boards  your missing the point of what I said    when his job is on the line, or when ANY GM's job is on the line  they all would make a trade like that, no questions asked.   But when it comes down to it, it was proven this year Danny didnt have the balls to trade away Ray for younger talent.  It will be proven time and time again from here on out that Danny doesnt have the guts to make the big moves without being forced to make them

Really?


What trade did he turn down?


What trade has he ever been scare to pull the trigger on? 

[BballTim]

What it comes down to is Danny Ainge doesnt have the balls to make bold moves

  Haha. KG says hello.

As most people do who lurk message boards  your missing the point of what I said    when his job is on the line, or when ANY GM's job is on the line  they all would make a trade like that, no questions asked.   But when it comes down to it, it was proven this year Danny didnt have the balls to trade away Ray for younger talent.  It will be proven time and time again from here on out that Danny doesnt have the guts to make the big moves without being forced to make them

  You have no evidence that Danny's job was ever on the line. Wyc and the other owners never even hinted that he was on the hot seat that I can recall. Danny didn't see any deals this year where he could have obtained young talent for nothing more than expiring contracts. What you're saying is silly. If Ainge makes a big trade this summer you could just claim that he was forced to make the trade so he still doesn't have the guts to make a deal.

[dlpin]

What it comes down to is Danny Ainge doesnt have the balls to make bold moves

  Haha. KG says hello.

As most people do who lurk message boards  your missing the point of what I said    when his job is on the line, or when ANY GM's job is on the line  they all would make a trade like that, no questions asked.   But when it comes down to it, it was proven this year Danny didnt have the balls to trade away Ray for younger talent.  It will be proven time and time again from here on out that Danny doesnt have the guts to make the big moves without being forced to make them

They all would make a trade like that no questions asked?

Why did Phoenix turn down the offer? If you don't remember, at the time phoenix was the frontrunner to land KG. But then they didn't want to give up Amare (you know, the same Amare that was recently being shopped around for pennies on the dollar).

The celtics were only able to land KG because a number of places with better packages to offer declined to do so.

[kozlodoev]

I want Danny gone because I enjoyed the Paul Gaston era so much... and I want a competent manager such as Chris Wallace heading basketball operations  Oh, wait...