Why I want Danny gone

[openairmovie]

What it comes down to is Danny Ainge doesnt have the balls to make bold moves

Think of what he has done as a GM   
Yes I UNDERSTAND HE GOT RAY ALLEN AND KG HERE   , (I say this because everytime I slam Ainge I get called a pinkhat or yelled at cuz he made this deal)  From my point of view he HAD to make that deal to save his job.  The Celtics were sitting at #5 pick, and that pick would have done nothing to put the celtics at any better a position than they were during that miserable season, slightly better , but not alot. Ainge would have lost his job, so when he was offered Ray for that pick he had to take it. At that point, KG fell into his lap essentially.    Other than this, Ainge has NOT drafted well, pre- and post big 3 era,   Ainge has NOT traded well/made good moves mid season (Minus PJ Brown)   Mikki moore, Marbury, Robinson for House , Cassell, ect. ect.   Ainge proved that he is not a guy to build from the bottom up,  to get young guys and build around that,  that is why we had such a great season in 07,  and we are destined for mediocrity with him at the helm for much longer.   I cant blame Doc,  doc cant control what pieces he is given, he has to make due with what he has.  Though I do still feel the team has tuned him out at this point, I still pin a large amount of the blame on Ainge

[PosImpos]

The reason everybody around here is so disappointed by this season is because we all expected the team to play much better than they have based on who they have on the roster.

That fact is proof that Danny Ainge is not to blame for the team's struggles.  He did what he needed to do - he put together a team with the talent to win 60 games and compete for a championship.  The players haven't lived up to that expectation.  Whether it's because of injuries, chemistry, or just plain lack of caring and effort, it's not Danny's fault.

[tenn_smoothie]

Everyone knew the window was three years.  It was worth it.  We won a championship and until late December it still felt like we were contenders.  

 We won a title with this group. They got old and they're no longer dominant. Nor will they be again. We knew this would happen.

Wyc's tight fists with Posey hurt us badly last year. Ainge and Wyc rolled the dice. They won big in 2008. Now, it's over.

Time to move on.

that sums it up .......... the window was three years - we knew that going in.

i know everyone wanted one more flag for this group - me included ......... and it sure looked doable after those beautiful series against detroit and los angeles in 2008.

as i've stated several times - letting posey go was stupid. this team was built for a three year run and signing posey would have kept that run intact - why was ainge worrying about three years down the road anyway - or maybe it was wyc - but that makes no sense since he paid the dollars to put that title together in the first place.

losing posey plus KG's knee problems have made banner #18 a long shot with this team - but they did win #17 and they were beautiful to watch that year.

at this point, i'd like to be as loyal as possible. i'm very content that bird and mchale retired as celtics - i'd like to see pierce, kg and ray allen retire here too as long as we can re-sign them for lower money and start to rebuild around rondo and perkins.


the thing that makes it hard for this group is that they don't win easily - their style demands very hard work and concentration in order for it to be effective - they don't get a lot of easy baskets and they have to grind games out on defense to win - they were very motivated to keep that up the first year they came together, but that's a difficult style to maintain. i remember even during 2008 commenting on how painful they were to watch on offense, but [dang] they were a gorgeous sight to behold on defense.

just believe this team is tired mentally more than anything else.

[dlpin]

I'm sorry, but people really think that the reason for our problems is not signing Posey?

How has he turned out for NO?
Oh, yeah, he is virtually untradable, playing badly with a long contract.

He wouldn't have changed anything regarding KG's knees: he would have taken BBD's minutes, not KG's who was at a near career low 30 mpg last year.

If there's a player who doesn't give a crap and is merely playing out his last contract, that player is posey.

[freshinthehouse]

Man, this place can be a laff riot.  Fire Ainge.  Give me a break.

[wiley]

What it comes down to is Danny Ainge doesnt have the balls to make bold moves

Think of what he has done as a GM   
Yes I UNDERSTAND HE GOT RAY ALLEN AND KG HERE   , (I say this because everytime I slam Ainge I get called a pinkhat or yelled at cuz he made this deal)  From my point of view he HAD to make that deal to save his job.  The Celtics were sitting at #5 pick, and that pick would have done nothing to put the celtics at any better a position than they were during that miserable season, slightly better , but not alot. Ainge would have lost his job, so when he was offered Ray for that pick he had to take it. At that point, KG fell into his lap essentially.    Other than this, Ainge has NOT drafted well, pre- and post big 3 era,   Ainge has NOT traded well/made good moves mid season (Minus PJ Brown)   Mikki moore, Marbury, Robinson for House , Cassell, ect. ect.   Ainge proved that he is not a guy to build from the bottom up,  to get young guys and build around that,  that is why we had such a great season in 07,  and we are destined for mediocrity with him at the helm for much longer.   I cant blame Doc,  doc cant control what pieces he is given, he has to make due with what he has.  Though I do still feel the team has tuned him out at this point, I still pin a large amount of the blame on Ainge

I believe Ainge tried to sell Garnett on Bosont before he went out and got Ray...but KG was skeptical, so Danny went out and got Ray to please him.....this sounds like a plan to get KG, not like KG fell into Danny's lap, not in the least....And took a lot of flak for his trades by bloggers and media alike who didn't want an older team...The only way you can criticize Danny is if you don't think that one championship was worth the injury risks going forward....I'll take what we got......Our problems now are injuries (Pierce and KG), Danny is a GM not a magician.

[openairmovie]

A lineup of Perk Al  Piece Jeff Green Rondo   would have given us slightly more wins, and set us up well for the top heavy draft in 08  w/ Mayo Beasley Rose, Gordon, Lopez, ect.

Once Ainge made the deal for Ray  KG changed his mind on boston and decided he would want to come here...I'd consider that falling into his lap

Other than that one series of trading...can any of you name another useful player for player trade that Ainge has made for this team?  Id love to hear it

[CoachBo]

I'm sorry, but people really think that the reason for our problems is not signing Posey?

How has he turned out for NO?
Oh, yeah, he is virtually untradable, playing badly with a long contract.

He wouldn't have changed anything regarding KG's knees: he would have taken BBD's minutes, not KG's who was at a near career low 30 mpg last year.

If there's a player who doesn't give a crap and is merely playing out his last contract, that player is posey.

As people on this board are so wont to do, you totally miss the point with Posey.

Last season - you know, the one where Pierce ran out of gas at the end because he had no competent backup - was compromised by the decision not to resign Posey. Period.

This year has little or nothing to do with Posey, but the fact is Grousbeck pinched pennies after the title. Pierce was slowing down last year, and why anyone is surprised by this year escapes me. We put a BUNCH of unnecessary miles on him last year to save Grousbeck a couple of bucks - not to mention totally ignoring the reality that the window with this group was so tight that one season could not be discarded.

Were we going to win it all without Garnett? No. But Grousbeck didn't know that while he was staring at Lincoln's imprint on his thumb 18 months ago, did he?

[Redz]

A lineup of Perk Al  Piece Jeff Green Rondo   would have given us slightly more wins, and set us up well for the top heavy draft in 08  w/ Mayo Beasley Rose, Gordon, Lopez, ect.

Once Ainge made the deal for Ray  KG changed his mind on boston and decided he would want to come here...I'd consider that falling into his lap

Other than that one series of trading...can any of you name another useful player for player trade that Ainge has made for this team?  Id love to hear it

That "one series of trades" brought the franchise its first championship 22 years.

[dark_lord]

A lineup of Perk Al  Piece Jeff Green Rondo   would have given us slightly more wins, and set us up well for the top heavy draft in 08  w/ Mayo Beasley Rose, Gordon, Lopez, ect.

Once Ainge made the deal for Ray  KG changed his mind on boston and decided he would want to come here...I'd consider that falling into his lap

Other than that one series of trading...can any of you name another useful player for player trade that Ainge has made for this team?  Id love to hear it

That "one series of trades" brought the franchise its first championship 22 years.

exactly

[PLamb]

A lineup of Perk Al  Piece Jeff Green Rondo   would have given us slightly more wins, and set us up well for the top heavy draft in 08  w/ Mayo Beasley Rose, Gordon, Lopez, ect.

Once Ainge made the deal for Ray  KG changed his mind on boston and decided he would want to come here...I'd consider that falling into his lap

Other than that one series of trading...can any of you name another useful player for player trade that Ainge has made for this team?  Id love to hear it

That "one series of trades" brought the franchise its first championship 22 years.

I thought Danny's trade to reacquire Antoine Walker was a good player for player trade that helped propel the Celtics that year

[BballTim]

When Thib was put in charge for part of a game when Doc was tossed, Thib didn't make a single substitution.

Say no to Thib, please.

Wow, what outstanding logic.  Are you serious?  You are going to base your opinion on the 5 minutes that he was the head coach (but not really) instead of on the effects he has had on our team's play over the last 3 years???  The guy is 100% (at worst, 90%) responsible for the defense that won us a championship and even keeps us competitive in games like the one today when Ray can't throw it in the ocean and Rondo's head gets out of it because of fouls.

At the least, the guy has a fire that Glen has never ever ever ever ever had as a head coach. 

  Don't you think bringing KG and Ray and getting Rondo more minutes had a lot more to do with the defense than Thibs? What kind of wonders do you think he could have done with our previous lineup?

[BballTim]

What it comes down to is Danny Ainge doesnt have the balls to make bold moves

  Haha. KG says hello.

[Onslaught]

The reason everybody around here is so disappointed by this season is because we all expected the team to play much better than they have based on who they have on the roster.

That fact is proof that Danny Ainge is not to blame for the team's struggles.  He did what he needed to do - he put together a team with the talent to win 60 games and compete for a championship.  The players haven't lived up to that expectation.  Whether it's because of injuries, chemistry, or just plain lack of caring and effort, it's not Danny's fault.

I agree. Most people around this form started the season very happy with things. Now that it's turned out looking rather disappointing they want to throw everyone out. Danny did the best he could with what we had available to get. 

[BballTim]

Ainge isn't nearly as smart as some of you make him out to be, and Wyc's tight fists with Posey hurt us badly last year. But neither are either as dumb as the OP makes them out to be. They're both about average; I'd kill to have a top-notch GM in here like Morey, but Ainge has done NOTHING to warrant a firing.

  Wake me up when Morey assembles a team that rivals the 07-08 Celts.