Did we jump the gun on Nate? (Hinrich may be available)

[Donoghus]

It really seems like the Bulls have been dragging their feet here.  

You think that they would be a little more urgency on their part if they truly want to make a run at a max FA in the offseason.

That being said, they'll probably have something done by 3pm but I'll be interested to see how its ends up.

Assuming Salmons is traded for expiring contracts, isn't the only thing the Bulls have to do is move Thomas' contract or renounce him to have the space for a max free agent next summer

On the books for next year($ in Millions per year)

Rose $5.5
Noah $3.1
Gibson $1.1
Deng $11.3
Hinrich $9.0
Johnson $1.7

6 caps holds of slightly less than $500K - $3

Total: $34.7

That should be plenty under the cap for Wade

Yeah, they'll be sitting around $35 million in that situation.  

Rather than just renounce Thomas though, don't you think they should be packaging him or trying to get something of value for moving him?  He's still young and other teams are certainly going to show interest in him.  Package him with Hinrich.  Try and get some value in return.

Say they do get Wade (which I don't think will happen), you're gonna be paying Hinrich $9 million to come off the bench when you might have the opportunity to move him to get even more salary off the books right now?  His contract aside, there still sounds like there is the ability to entice someone to take him on.  

I just don't think Chicago should remain complacent right now.  

[Donoghus]

And if Chicago really wanted to be aggressive, they could move Deng also.  Could give themselves the ability to go out and get something like a Joe Johnson/Chris Bosh combo.

I don't think they'll move them but they very well open up even more cap room. 

[PLamb]

Gordon had three really bad games in that series

He just so happened to score 20 points in one of them through volume shooting and getting to the line

He also gave up 24 PPG to Ray Allen in that series giving up games of 28, 30 and 51 points

Gordon was huge in other games for them but he was not stellar that whole series

Much like his entire career Gordon showed up on some nights and on others he didn't

[PLamb]

It really seems like the Bulls have been dragging their feet here.  

You think that they would be a little more urgency on their part if they truly want to make a run at a max FA in the offseason.

That being said, they'll probably have something done by 3pm but I'll be interested to see how its ends up.

Assuming Salmons is traded for expiring contracts, isn't the only thing the Bulls have to do is move Thomas' contract or renounce him to have the space for a max free agent next summer

On the books for next year($ in Millions per year)

Rose $5.5
Noah $3.1
Gibson $1.1
Deng $11.3
Hinrich $9.0
Johnson $1.7

6 caps holds of slightly less than $500K - $3

Total: $34.7

That should be plenty under the cap for Wade

Yeah, they'll be sitting around $35 million in that situation.  

Rather than just renounce Thomas though, don't you think they should be packaging him or trying to get something of value for moving him?  He's still young and other teams are certainly going to show interest in him.  Package him with Hinrich.  Try and get some value in return.

Say they do get Wade (which I don't think will happen), you're gonna be paying Hinrich $9 million to come off the bench when you might have the opportunity to move him to get even more salary off the books right now?  His contract aside, there still sounds like there is the ability to entice someone to take him on.  

I just don't think Chicago should remain complacent right now.  

Oh neither do I

But it is their history

Moving Hinrich and Thomas makes perfect sense it just won't ultimately effect their ability to get a max level free agent is all

[jdpapa3]

I think that Nate and Hinrich have about the same value to an NBA team in what they provide. Nate makes significantly less money, and the number he requires this offseason will be less than the 9 mill that Kirk is making. It's an interesting question.

Ultimately, I feel Doc and Danny felt this team needed a scoring punch and microwave type of option that could really heat up and put a stop to the scoring lulls. House needed a wide open look or to run through a complex setup of screens to get free. Robinson can create looks on his own.

[Roy Hobbs]

Moving Hinrich and Thomas makes perfect sense it just won't ultimately effect their ability to get a max level free agent is all

Dumping Hinrich could potentially get them within striking distance of signing two max free agents.  They'd have potentially around $30 million to spend, which is just short of being able to add Wade + Bosh, for instance.  If Joe Johnson agrees to a sub-max deal, they could walk away with two elite free agents, if they play their cards right.

[PLamb]

Moving Hinrich and Thomas makes perfect sense it just won't ultimately effect their ability to get a max level free agent is all

Dumping Hinrich could potentially get them within striking distance of signing two max free agents.  They'd have potentially around $30 million to spend, which is just short of being able to add Wade + Bosh, for instance.  If Joe Johnson agrees to a sub-max deal, they could walk away with two elite free agents, if they play their cards right.

Yeah adding Wade and Bosh to that core is scary Roy

Wade
Rose
Noah
Deng
Bosh 

That's would be their starting five if they move Hinrich and Thomas for expiring contracts

Can we just give them the next three titles and skip 2013-14

LOL

Still scary to think about

[Donoghus]

Moving Hinrich and Thomas makes perfect sense it just won't ultimately effect their ability to get a max level free agent is all

Dumping Hinrich could potentially get them within striking distance of signing two max free agents.  They'd have potentially around $30 million to spend, which is just short of being able to add Wade + Bosh, for instance.  If Joe Johnson agrees to a sub-max deal, they could walk away with two elite free agents, if they play their cards right.

That's why I think they should make every concerted effort to move Hinrich by 3pm today. 

A core of Rose, JJ, Deng, Bosh, and Noah with guys like Gibson & Johnson off the bench is a darn good start.  Even if they had to move Deng to make the chances of it more realistic, is going to create a very good core for them if they were able to get those FAs.

[sk7326]

Chicago's top priority ahead of the deadline is clearing Kirk Hinrich, according to a report from the Daily Herald's Mike McGraw.

The Bulls are trying to clear additional cap space for this summer.

Link

I'd rather have Hinrich than Nate, although they each bring different skills to the table.  It sounds like Chicago may be motivated to move him just for expiring contracts, and there's a chance that we could have worked something out with Eddie / Scal / Giddens.

Of course, it's harder to pull off a 3-for-1 type of deal, and Hinrich has a bad contract.  Still, all things being equal, I'd prefer Hinrich.

All things are not equal - Hinrich is a poor shooter and has a rotten contract ... Robinson has knucklehead tendencies but can fill it up and has a good deal ... not even close imo

[Who]

I would have loved to landed Kirk Hinrich too. He would have been an excellent backup combo guard. A real difference maker off the bench.

I think the Celtics don't want to take on Hinrich's contract, even for our expiring "dumps".

Agreed, unfortunately.

[crownsy]

The difference is nate is a potential bust we only have to suffer for a year.

Kurt is a potential bust who we would have to pay alot of money. He hasn't shown himself worthy of what he makes for at least 2 years now.

[Who]

The difference is nate is a potential bust we only have to suffer for a year.

Kurt is a potential bust who we would have to pay alot of money. He hasn't shown himself worthy of what he makes for at least 2 years now.

Why is Kirk Hinrich a potential bust?

The only way Hinrich is value for his contract is if he plays 35 minutes a night as the starting point guard. But he doesn't need to be good value for what he's owed ... not for Boston ... Hinrich just needs to be a major upgrade this season in the Celtics' hopes of winning a title + a very good role player for the remainder of his contract which he is well able to do.

I'd be more interested in Nate if the Celtics had his bird rights. So that they could resign Nate + Ray + spend the MLE.

[Donoghus]

I would have loved to landed Kirk Hinrich too. He would have been an excellent backup combo guard. A real difference maker off the bench.

I think the Celtics don't want to take on Hinrich's contract, even for our expiring "dumps".

Agreed, unfortunately.

I also think that as the day progressed, the moves of Salmons & Thomas made it a little more palatable for Chicago to keep Hinrich because it wasn't going to destroy their chances at a max guy.

As the day progressed, the incentive was lost to HAVE to move him.

[Who]

I would have loved to landed Kirk Hinrich too. He would have been an excellent backup combo guard. A real difference maker off the bench.

I think the Celtics don't want to take on Hinrich's contract, even for our expiring "dumps".

Agreed, unfortunately.

I also think that as the day progressed, the moves of Salmons & Thomas made it a little more palatable for Chicago to keep Hinrich because it wasn't going to destroy their chances at a max guy.

As the day progressed, the incentive was lost to HAVE to move him.

I missed most of today's festivities, only got to check in after the deadline passed, but it looked to me that Chicago became more interested in trading Hinrich solely for expiring contracts than they have been in the past.

[crownsy]

The difference is nate is a potential bust we only have to suffer for a year.

Kurt is a potential bust who we would have to pay alot of money. He hasn't shown himself worthy of what he makes for at least 2 years now.

Why is Kirk Hinrich a potential bust?

The only way Hinrich is value for his contract is if he plays 35 minutes a night as the starting point guard. But he doesn't need to be good value for what he's owed ... not for Boston ... Hinrich just needs to be a major upgrade this season in the Celtics' hopes of winning a title + a very good role player for the remainder of his contract which he is well able to do.

I'd be more interested in Nate if the Celtics had his bird rights. So that they could resign Nate + Ray + spend the MLE.

Do you know what his eFG% is right now?

IT's 38%. he's a starting guard who is supposed to be a good shooter. he hasn't been for two full years now.