KG looks terrible

[hpantazo]

I know it's talked about often enough, but I'm shocked at how bad he looks the last few games. He is virtually useless, and a main cause of the poor play of the starters. I thought according to the celtics, he should have been getting his legs back about now, but he looks much worse than he did in november. I would gladly take the late november/early december KG for the rest of the season if I could. This leads to two questions:

1) Is he done? Will he be a shell of his former self from now on, or can he get back to at least the late november form?

2) If he is done, i.e. this is the KG we will have from now on, then why on earth is management trying to trade for guys like Nate and trying to win now instead of going into full rebuild mode? I mean, it's obvious to everyone that if KG is done, then we are not winning anything with this group ever again.

I was optimistic that although he would never return to vintage KG, he would be close to the KG we had in 2008 given enough time, mainly because management has been approaching the season as an all-out go for the title season (getting Daniels and Wallace, trying to get a backup pg instead of rebuilding, etc), but lately with KG looking worse instead of better I'm seriously concerned and questioning the rational of Ainge and the medical staff. What do you guys think?

[moiso]

Its sad to see and he doesn't appear to be getting better at all.  The crazy part is that KG keeps saying that he's healthy.

[Drucci]

Don't worry, KG will get better soon. The staff knows it too, because if he was "cooked", they wouldn't have signed Sheed, Quis, etc, nor trying to do all they can for winning the title this season.

[vinnie]

Drucci -- just curious, but how do you know that KG will get better soon? I would love to see it happen, but he has been back for about three weeks now, including the All Star break, and I have seen little that says he is going to show big improvement the rest of this year. In my opinion, KG has played somewherte between 5-10 solid games this year and last night was game 51. Not a positive sign.

[Q_FBE]

Well, I guess there is always the insurance clause for injured players so we can get an adjustment on the total salary we pay if KG decided to retire today due to poor health. Or we can try to buy him out and move on like we ended doing with Vin Baker.

Best bet would be to hope he feels better and is ready for the playoff grind.

Having KG and Ray off the payroll would put us under the cap.

Lets hope Sheed is willing to carry the load and we give serious thought to keeping Marquis Daniels, too.

[BudweiserCeltic]

The crazy part is that people keep forgetting that he missed about 10 games just recently. And for as bad as he is, he's 53.6% from the field in the month of February, turning the ball over once per game, and he just came from Sacramento grabbing 9 rebounds in 31 minutes of play. He's averaging 12 points a game, which is nothing to sniff at... not KG-like numbers, but more than "terrible".

Again, the exaggeration going around here boggles my mind. Of course, KG isn't were he's supposed to be, and certainly has ways to go getting back into form (to whatever form he'll manage to get) but his demise has been completely overstated.

[jdpapa3]

Come on. Useless?

He was scored on once the entire game yesterday and that was an early 3 by Donte Greene. He is still playing very good defense. He isn't getting the ball enough.

[Drucci]

Drucci -- just curious, but how do you know that KG will get better soon? I would love to see it happen, but he has been back for about three weeks now, including the All Star break, and I have seen little that says he is going to show big improvement the rest of this year. In my opinion, KG has played somewherte between 5-10 solid games this year and last night was game 51. Not a positive sign.

How do you know that he will never get better? The question can be asked both ways.

I have no inside details about KG's health but after seeing him struggle in the first two months of the season to finally get back with good health, I just don't see why it wouldn't happen again.

KG looks very different from one game to another, he is really struggling sometimes to move laterally or jump but in some games he looks OK, runs pretty well and quick during the entire game. Actuall, I thought that he looked good in last night's game. He ran well during the entire game, jumped high and secured a lot of boards, things that he hadn't done for the previous games. Sure, he got blocked by Thompson at the end of the game but even a pre-injury KG could get blocked, so people are overreacting on that play in my opinion.

Doc said at the beginning of the season (if I recall correctly) that KG would have nights "on" and nights "off". That's what we're seeing, and I'm still convinced he will improve.

He can only improve by playing more and more games as the season goes on, by the way, so I'm not worried.

[RAcker]

Come on. Useless?

He was scored on once the entire game yesterday and that was an early 3 by Donte Greene. He is still playing very good defense. He isn't getting the ball enough.

I agree.  Let's not get carried away people.  He had close to 10 rebounds and played pretty solid D.

[indeedproceed]

When KG is rebounding you can tell he's working hard not to jump. He's hooking holding pushing, whatever just so long as he doesn't have to jump to get up there to get it.

Reminds me of the old pitcher in Major League



Rick Vaughn: [Seeing Harris take off his shirt, revealing white suff on his chest] What's that (crap) on your chest?
Eddie Harris: [Looking at his chest] Crisco.
Eddie Harris: [wiping it across his head]
Eddie Harris: Bardol.
Eddie Harris: [wiping it along his waist line]
Eddie Harris: Vagisil. Any one of them will give you another two to three inches drop on your curve ball. Of course if the umps are watching me real close I'll rub a little jalapeo up my nose, get it runnin', and if I need to load the ball up I just...
Eddie Harris: [wipes his nose]
Eddie Harris: ...wipe my nose.
Rick Vaughn: You put snot on the ball?
Eddie Harris: I haven't got an arm like you, kid. I have to put anything on it I can find. Someday you will too.

[rondohondo]

The crazy part is that people keep forgetting that he missed about 10 games just recently. And for as bad as he is, he's 53.6% from the field in the month of February, turning the ball over once per game, and he just came from Sacramento grabbing 9 rebounds in 31 minutes of play. He's averaging 12 points a game, which is nothing to sniff at... not KG-like numbers, but more than "terrible".

Again, the exaggeration going around here boggles my mind. Of course, KG isn't were he's supposed to be, and certainly has ways to go getting back into form (to whatever form he'll manage to get) but his demise has been completely overstated.

You can't just look at the FG%

KG is not nearly as effective on offense as he was even 2 seasons ago.

- He no longer is able to get on the fast break with Rondo,which makes us a very slow team
- He no longer can play in the low post on offense
- Can't finish alley oops
- Hardly ever gets an offensive rebound or put back dunk

He has lost it and its understandable, the guy has played over 40000 intense mins. Be realistic about it , its not going to get much better than this...

[BudweiserCeltic]

The crazy part is that people keep forgetting that he missed about 10 games just recently. And for as bad as he is, he's 53.6% from the field in the month of February, turning the ball over once per game, and he just came from Sacramento grabbing 9 rebounds in 31 minutes of play. He's averaging 12 points a game, which is nothing to sniff at... not KG-like numbers, but more than "terrible".

Again, the exaggeration going around here boggles my mind. Of course, KG isn't were he's supposed to be, and certainly has ways to go getting back into form (to whatever form he'll manage to get) but his demise has been completely overstated.

You can't just look at the FG%

KG is not nearly as effective on offense as he was even 2 seasons ago.

- He no longer is able to get on the fast break with Rondo,which makes us a very slow team
- He no longer can play in the low post on offense
- Can't finish alley oops
- Hardly ever gets an offensive rebound or put back dunk

He has lost it and its understandable, the guy has played over 40000 intense mins. Be realistic about it , its not going to get much better than this...

Of course he's not the KG we know, but that he's terrible is just completely wrong. And again, he just came back from another injury that kept him away for some weeks.

[celticinorlando]

KG and PP both look terrible right now. neither can get off the ground, PP settles for long jumpers and KG got tossed around by the Kings big men last night. I will go to my grave believing that KG suffered a torn ligament last year and that PP has more going on than just a knee infection.

throw in ray allen who can't defend my grandmother and is short arming almost every shot, the celtics starting 5 looks weak...and we already have a thread on perk.

the starters (4 of which are all stars) scoring 23 total first half points as a unit is pathetic. if they can't get healthy, interested, inspired and start playing better, then we are going to be in for some more treats like last night

one more thingon KG....it is painful to watch him labor up and down the court....his leg looks like a log that he has to drag up and down the court, he has zero lift in rebounding or defending shots.....go back to lewis going right by him to win the game in orlando...and lewis is slow....he doesn't play at a high speed and he doesn't defend with his fire.

[Fafnir]

Come on. Useless?

He was scored on once the entire game yesterday and that was an early 3 by Donte Greene. He is still playing very good defense. He isn't getting the ball enough.

I think he's having confidence and endurance issues. He clearly doesn't want the ball as much on offense.

He doesn't feel right.

[rondohondo]

The crazy part is that people keep forgetting that he missed about 10 games just recently. And for as bad as he is, he's 53.6% from the field in the month of February, turning the ball over once per game, and he just came from Sacramento grabbing 9 rebounds in 31 minutes of play. He's averaging 12 points a game, which is nothing to sniff at... not KG-like numbers, but more than "terrible".

Again, the exaggeration going around here boggles my mind. Of course, KG isn't were he's supposed to be, and certainly has ways to go getting back into form (to whatever form he'll manage to get) but his demise has been completely overstated.

You can't just look at the FG%

KG is not nearly as effective on offense as he was even 2 seasons ago.

- He no longer is able to get on the fast break with Rondo,which makes us a very slow team
- He no longer can play in the low post on offense
- Can't finish alley oops
- Hardly ever gets an offensive rebound or put back dunk

He has lost it and its understandable, the guy has played over 40000 intense mins. Be realistic about it , its not going to get much better than this...

Of course he's not the KG we know, but that he's terrible is just completely wrong. And again, he just came back from another injury that kept him away for some weeks.

I think he looks pretty bad just about any PF in the league can take him off the dribble. Guys who have played that many mins don't get better they get worse. You can disagree, but just go look at just about every player in the history of the NBA who has played that many mins

He can't jump and move latterally , that's the problem and that doesn't improve with age. He has been back for 3 weeks now and nothing has changed....