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Re: I don't like this quote
« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2010, 08:54:09 AM »

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Quote from Doc in today's Herald "Three, leaning back on your past success. Your past success is no guarantee to future success, and I think this team leans back too far on what they've done."

Well Doc, you're the coach and are getting very well compensated to perform that job.  Maybe it's time to start letting the people who subscribe to the above theory know it's not going to be tolerated -- and then backing it up by taking the drastic step of say...taking away playing time..... ::)  Just a thought...

Re: I don't like this quote
« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2010, 09:08:14 AM »

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Quote from Doc in today's Herald "Three, leaning back on your past success. Your past success is no guarantee to future success, and I think this team leans back too far on what they've done."

Well Doc, you're the coach and are getting very well compensated to perform that job.  Maybe it's time to start letting the people who subscribe to the above theory know it's not going to be tolerated -- and then backing it up by taking the drastic step of say...taking away playing time..... ::)  Just a thought...

Exactly!  It's mainly the vets (some of it is because they are or were injured) that are losing these leads. I think Davis was hinting at why play Rasheed heavy minutes when he's not performing.  Rondo spoke up last week (I though it was about Ray) and then Perk wants more shots. 

Are the young guys are rebelling like last year? I mean they see that the vets aren't getting it done and probably think in some instances that they can do better.  However, Perk has no basis at all to want more shots.
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Re: I don't like this quote
« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2010, 09:21:57 AM »

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Glen -- talking to the media is not going to improve the fact that 24% of your shots have been blocked this year.

Re: I don't like this quote
« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2010, 09:26:04 AM »

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I'd say Doc's biggest problem has been leaning on the vets because they are vets even if they are not playing well.

If Sheed is launching 3's not attempting to rebound and not closing on the shooter in the pick and roll he needs to be pulled. If Baby played with the same poor effort we sometimes see from Sheed he would be immediately pulled.

Also I hate how this team acts when one of their teammates puts up a shot. More often than not they concede the rebound in order to get back on defense. Normally I would say it's the player's fault but if the entire team is doing it then it has to be the scheme. At the very least the 4 and the 5 should be crashing hard on every shot. If the 4 or 5 is the one taking the shot and it's a deep jumper then the 3 needs to crash and the player taking the shot will get back.

As for people bashing Big Baby, he was the only one on the team attempting to get an offensive rebound against Orlando.
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Re: I don't like this quote
« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2010, 09:34:16 AM »

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He can't finish.

Until he can finish, no more minutes. Tough to play a unathletic big who plays under the rim.

Hey, Ray can't make a three these days, but he still gets 40 minutes.

Ray getting 40 minutes is probably one of the reasons he's struggling somewhat.

No it's more about being over the hill.  He's as bad in the 1st quarter as he is in the 4th.  He's simply a role player who from time to time can get hot from 3.
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Re: I don't like this quote
« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2010, 09:36:52 AM »

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Quote from Doc in today's Herald "Three, leaning back on your past success. Your past success is no guarantee to future success, and I think this team leans back too far on what they've done."

Well Doc, you're the coach and are getting very well compensated to perform that job.  Maybe it's time to start letting the people who subscribe to the above theory know it's not going to be tolerated -- and then backing it up by taking the drastic step of say...taking away playing time..... ::)  Just a thought...

Exactly!  It's mainly the vets (some of it is because they are or were injured) that are losing these leads. I think Davis was hinting at why play Rasheed heavy minutes when he's not performing.  Rondo spoke up last week (I though it was about Ray) and then Perk wants more shots. 

Are the young guys are rebelling like last year? I mean they see that the vets aren't getting it done and probably think in some instances that they can do better.  However, Perk has no basis at all to want more shots.

No doubt.  In fact I was happy to see him firmly on the bench on Sunday.  He's either going to play his role and be happy or he can sulk on the bench.  Him and Allen would make a nice twosome in a trade.
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« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2010, 09:56:47 AM »

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I'd say Doc's biggest problem has been leaning on the vets because they are vets even if they are not playing well.

If Sheed is launching 3's not attempting to rebound and not closing on the shooter in the pick and roll he needs to be pulled. If Baby played with the same poor effort we sometimes see from Sheed he would be immediately pulled.



I'd like to see Big Baby, TA and Marquis playing half the game (24 minute range).  They bring energy and also sustain it (unlike the vets).  Let the older vets then fight to regain more playing time.

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« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2010, 09:59:42 AM »

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He can't finish.

Until he can finish, no more minutes. Tough to play a unathletic big who plays under the rim.

Hey, Ray can't make a three these days, but he still gets 40 minutes.

Ray getting 40 minutes is probably one of the reasons he's struggling somewhat.
My hope is that with Daniels coming back Ray can get back down to 35 minutes a game.

Re: I don't like this quote
« Reply #23 on: February 09, 2010, 10:03:17 AM »

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One thing I hate about player quotes is that you never, ever see the question they were asked that the quote was in response to.  Takes out a whole lot of context.

That said, I think a lot of the "selfishness" Rondo alluded to in his comments last week has to do with our bigs - probably not KG but Perk, Sheed, and Baby.  I think the younger bigs are a little jealous of the role and attention Sheed gets, especially when his effort is inconsistent at best.  Baby and Perk are almost certainly thinking about their next contracts, and Baby does have a point - the last few games he's played very well and been a big asset off the bench, but he's still behind Sheed in the rotation and likely to stay there. 

I don't like the quote because it sounds like a fairly selfish mindset by Baby, but I don't know what he was responding to.  I do wish Doc would look to play Baby more minutes and cut Sheed's back until he shows he can consistently play hard out there.

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« Reply #24 on: February 09, 2010, 10:04:35 AM »

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I don't mind Davis's quote too much.  However, it seems kind of premature since he's only been playing well for a few games now.  Still, it must be frustrating for him to sit on the bench when someone who gives a fraction of his effort(Wallace) plays more minutes.
We have an energy and hustle problem right now, and even with his flaws, Baby is part of that particular solution.

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« Reply #25 on: February 09, 2010, 10:05:16 AM »

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He can't finish.

Until he can finish, no more minutes. Tough to play a unathletic big who plays under the rim.

Hey, Ray can't make a three these days, but he still gets 40 minutes.

Ray getting 40 minutes is probably one of the reasons he's struggling somewhat.
My hope is that with Daniels coming back Ray can get back down to 35 minutes a game.

He's playing 36 now.  There is no magic pill for being done.
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« Reply #26 on: February 09, 2010, 10:07:50 AM »

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Losing causes individual agendas to pop up more latently - not the other way around.  It's easy to tell the guys Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline., but it's just frustration from lack of results.

The team definitely has the look of a group that needs something transformative to occur - a major trade, Doc getting axed (I am not BLAMING him, just pointing out the sort of big move needed), something or other.  

Really the defensive identity of this team has slipped - and that has been the problem more than anything else.  They are still #1 in the league, but not by the sort of substantial margin they led in 2008 or that they shared with Orlando last year.  They have had trouble generating stops at the same rate.

Offensively their slippage is almost entirely related to slippage shooting the three ball.  Led the league last year, middle of the pack this year.  All the other offensive metrics are still pretty much on course from last year - foul shooting is worse yes, but that is because Rondo and Perkins are taking more - it's not the other guys not concentrating.

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« Reply #27 on: February 09, 2010, 10:09:08 AM »

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He can't finish.

Until he can finish, no more minutes. Tough to play a unathletic big who plays under the rim.

Hey, Ray can't make a three these days, but he still gets 40 minutes.

Ray getting 40 minutes is probably one of the reasons he's struggling somewhat.
My hope is that with Daniels coming back Ray can get back down to 35 minutes a game.

He's playing 36 now.  There is no magic pill for being done.
Ray Allen is done?

Strange, he's still one of the most effective 2s in the league on the offensive end....

Re: I don't like this quote
« Reply #28 on: February 09, 2010, 10:13:27 AM »

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I think BBD was most likely trying to parrot back something that Doc told him, i.e., "you need to be aggressive out there", etc.  I'm sure he was given a pep talk about how big a part of the team he is, but how he needs to contribute more consistently.  That's the message I think he's attempting to relay here.  However, he doesn't necessarily say it artfully.

This is the impression I get as well.  I think Davis puts his foot in his mouth way too often, mainly because he doesn't seem to understand how soundbites and quotes work.  He is not good at talking in cliches, and everything he says gets taken out of context.  I think half the time he is joking around, but it is reported as if it is serious, and a lot of time he is trying to, as Roy said, "parrot" what was told to him by someone else, and it comes out wrong.

For example, I feel pretty confident that the whole football thing was a joke.  While I am sure he loves football, he was exagerating things, as most class clowns do...and it suddenly turned into him claiming he was going to be an All-Star, and then play in the NFL.  

And I think the whole nickname thing was kind of a combination of the parroting, and joking.  I think he heard all of the comments by Danny, Wyc, and Doc, about them not calling him Baby anymore, because he needs to act more grown up, so he made a joke of it by saying he wanted to change his nickname.  But suddenly it was considered a serious thing, and he is getting criticized for talking about his nickname.  

Basically, this guy just needs to stop talking to the media, because he does not know how to deal with them, and they clearly do not portray him how he is trying to portray himself.

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« Reply #29 on: February 09, 2010, 10:13:41 AM »

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He can't finish.

Until he can finish, no more minutes. Tough to play a unathletic big who plays under the rim.

Hey, Ray can't make a three these days, but he still gets 40 minutes.

Ray getting 40 minutes is probably one of the reasons he's struggling somewhat.
My hope is that with Daniels coming back Ray can get back down to 35 minutes a game.

He's playing 36 now.  There is no magic pill for being done.
Ray Allen is done?

Strange, he's still one of the most effective 2s in the league on the offensive end....

Really are you going to produce some stats that tell some story my eyes and brain don't believe?
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