CHI sun times rumor: Ray Allen for Kirk Hinrich

[byennie]

The headcase argument is totally valid, but Glen hasn't exactly been the model of maturity either.

Thomas beats Davis in shot blocking by basically the widest possible margin, and is a much better rebounder and finisher as well. Davis does have more of a "skill" game at the offensive end, although he's also working harder because he can't go over or around his man. When Thomas is dunking, Davis is probably throwing up a contested layup.

Lastly, consider that Thomas is still only 23 as he was one-and-done in college. A little big man coaching / mentoring and he could still develop.

Don't get me wrong, I like Davis more. But the idea that he's better than Thomas seems a little fishy to me.

He's headcase and problem to coach. If Davis sheds weight to gain mobility, he can contribute more defensively and also gives you a consistent jump shot.

The only disadvantage is in rebounding ability due to size and athleticism.

Davis has to mature, but he has shown commitment to his team, something Tyrus Thomas has never shown.

I'll take Davis by a hair since he'll always make 3-5 million.

[More Banners]

I'm not sure why everyone bags on Hinrich.  He obviously isn't Ray Allen, but he is a solid player and a very good shooter (lowest career 3pt% is 35 and twice over 40%).  He can play both the point and shooting guard positions (against most teams) and is generally a nice player. 

Thomas is also a solid young player.  The numbers don't work with just those two, so someone else also has to come to the C's. 

I wouldn't mind that trade, though I think there are better options out there like Golden State.

Heinrich is shooting 37% from the field. You can call him a number of things -- a good shooter is not one of em. His shots breed fastbreak buckets for every team he plays against.

He and Rondo should not share a back court. Nor should he and Daniels, or he and TA. Paul Pierce would see more double teams than Jenna Jamison.

Look at the number again, ssspence, and consider the Bulls team is a bit off this year, putting more pressure on him.  He's shooting 35.6% from 3 this year. Ray and KG had a marked improvement in efficiency when they teamed up here, and I think he may get a bump, too.  Also, since there are fewer other offensive options in Chi than last year, he's getting far fewer open looks.

His numbers with us would probably be closer to last year's numbers for him, when Chi still had Ben Gordon.  Last year, he shot 40.8% from 3pt territory.  Looking at his career stats, he is definitely a shooter.  There is no doubt.

Doesn't mean I'd make the move, but he's a good player.

[Chris]

The more I think about it, the more I like a deal of Ray and Big Baby for Hinrich, Salmons, and Thomas.

It leaves the C's with this lineup:

Rondo/Hinrich/House
Salmons/Daniels/Hinrich/House
Pierce/Daniels/Thomas
KG/Thomas/Williams
Perk/Wallace/Williams

That gives this team a lot more defense, a lot more athleticism, and a lot more depth.  I don't think this would be a deal for the future, as much as it would be a shakeup, to try to maximize this teams ability to make two more runs at the championship before KG and Pierce are gone.  

While I love Ray, this lineup would be much more dangerous in the playoffs IMO, because it would be more versatile and harder to exploit.

[Who]

The more I think about it, the more I like a deal of Ray and Big Baby for Hinrich, Salmons, and Thomas.

It leaves the C's with this lineup:

Rondo/Hinrich/House
Salmons/Daniels/Hinrich/House
Pierce/Daniels/Thomas
KG/Thomas/Williams
Perk/Wallace/Williams

That gives this team a lot more defense, a lot more athleticism, and a lot more depth.  I don't think this would be a deal for the future, as much as it would be a shakeup, to try to maximize this teams ability to make two more runs at the championship before KG and Pierce are gone.  

While I love Ray, this lineup would be much more dangerous in the playoffs IMO, because it would be more versatile and harder to exploit.

I'm happy making that trade. No interest if it's only 2 of the 3 Bulls players coming back though.

[GranTur]

Thomas beats Davis in shot blocking by basically the widest possible margin, and is a much better rebounder and finisher as well. Davis does have more of a "skill" game at the offensive end, although he's also working harder because he can't go over or around his man. When Thomas is dunking, Davis is probably throwing up a contested layup.

I agree Thomas' shot blocking and steals would always be higher, but Davis TAKES CHARGES and knows how to play team defense and rotate.

A jump shot makes up for the lack of rebounding and dunking.

And if Davis can improve his mobility, he'll be a dependable offensive player in the paint.

In the 2009 playoffs Davis was 16 PPG on 49% FG. That's pretty impressive for a 23 year-old.

[rondohondo]

The more I think about it, the more I like a deal of Ray and Big Baby for Hinrich, Salmons, and Thomas.

It leaves the C's with this lineup:

Rondo/Hinrich/House
Salmons/Daniels/Hinrich/House
Pierce/Daniels/Thomas
KG/Thomas/Williams
Perk/Wallace/Williams

That gives this team a lot more defense, a lot more athleticism, and a lot more depth.  I don't think this would be a deal for the future, as much as it would be a shakeup, to try to maximize this teams ability to make two more runs at the championship before KG and Pierce are gone.  

While I love Ray, this lineup would be much more dangerous in the playoffs IMO, because it would be more versatile and harder to exploit.

We probably have to throw in a 1st round pick. Do you do that? I do because we are still getting a young player back with a ton of potential.

[Chris]

The more I think about it, the more I like a deal of Ray and Big Baby for Hinrich, Salmons, and Thomas.

It leaves the C's with this lineup:

Rondo/Hinrich/House
Salmons/Daniels/Hinrich/House
Pierce/Daniels/Thomas
KG/Thomas/Williams
Perk/Wallace/Williams

That gives this team a lot more defense, a lot more athleticism, and a lot more depth.  I don't think this would be a deal for the future, as much as it would be a shakeup, to try to maximize this teams ability to make two more runs at the championship before KG and Pierce are gone.  

While I love Ray, this lineup would be much more dangerous in the playoffs IMO, because it would be more versatile and harder to exploit.

We probably have to throw in a 1st round pick. Do you do that? I do because we are still getting a young player back with a ton of potential.

Why do we have to throw in a first round pick?  We are sending a solid, cost efficient PF, the best SG they have had in years, as well as giving them a ton of cap space for this summer. 

If they are not willing to make a deal like that, then I walk away.

[Andy Jick]

i don't want hinrich...he's not that good.

i'm starting to warm up to the monta ellis idea, though...

Oh really must have been the 46 pts he scored. 

well, if pierce is going to be injured and garnett moves like he's in cement...and sheed stands 30 feet away chucking shots like there's no tomorrow...and we have to actually depend on tony allen...

...then, yeah, i'd say we could use a guy who knows how to put the ball in the basket.  you can teach a guy defense - this team is proof of that (i don't recall pierce being that great of a defender for a number of years).  but this kid has tremendous offensive skills...

[Birdbrain]

i don't want hinrich...he's not that good.

i'm starting to warm up to the monta ellis idea, though...

Oh really must have been the 46 pts he scored. 

well, if pierce is going to be injured and garnett moves like he's in cement...and sheed stands 30 feet away chucking shots like there's no tomorrow...and we have to actually depend on tony allen...

...then, yeah, i'd say we could use a guy who knows how to put the ball in the basket.  you can teach a guy defense - this team is proof of that (i don't recall pierce being that great of a defender for a number of years).  but this kid has tremendous offensive skills...

I agree bro in fact I agreed prior to the 46 points.

[Who]

The more I think about it, the more I like a deal of Ray and Big Baby for Hinrich, Salmons, and Thomas.

It leaves the C's with this lineup:

Rondo/Hinrich/House
Salmons/Daniels/Hinrich/House
Pierce/Daniels/Thomas
KG/Thomas/Williams
Perk/Wallace/Williams

That gives this team a lot more defense, a lot more athleticism, and a lot more depth.  I don't think this would be a deal for the future, as much as it would be a shakeup, to try to maximize this teams ability to make two more runs at the championship before KG and Pierce are gone.  

While I love Ray, this lineup would be much more dangerous in the playoffs IMO, because it would be more versatile and harder to exploit.

We probably have to throw in a 1st round pick. Do you do that? I do because we are still getting a young player back with a ton of potential.

Why do we have to throw in a first round pick?  We are sending a solid, cost efficient PF, the best SG they have had in years, as well as giving them a ton of cap space for this summer. 

If they are not willing to make a deal like that, then I walk away.

I don't think the first round pick is valuable enough to stop the trade.

I have no problems whatsoever with including the pick.

[BballTim]

Glen Davis is a disappointment right now because of injury and immaturity, but he's got infinitely more upside than Tyrus Thomas.

If Davis gets his stuff together, he'll be a bargain role player for a while.

Tyrus Thomas is inconsistent and unfocused. Salmons is having a horrible year. Hinrich's a shadow of his former self.

Let's just put all this Chicago Bulls talk to rest.

  I don't think Davis has much upside if any. I think that what we got from him last year was about as good as it gets and I don't know that we'll see it again this year.

[Jack_Frost]

Please, please... tell me this trade is a joke.

Hinrich 40 mpg; 35,6% 3point; 37,9% 2point; 71,2% freetrhows; 10 pts....

Are you crazy here?

And, of course, we give up our future with this trade

[rondohondo]

Please, please... tell me this trade is a joke.

Hinrich 40 mpg; 35,6% 3point; 37,9% 2point; 71,2% freetrhows; 10 pts....

Are you crazy here?

And, of course, we give up our future with this trade

how do we give up our future?

[BballTim]

Please, please... tell me this trade is a joke.

Hinrich 40 mpg; 35,6% 3point; 37,9% 2point; 71,2% freetrhows; 10 pts....

Are you crazy here?

And, of course, we give up our future with this trade

how do we give up our future?

  He probably means taking on the contracts.

[rondohondo]

Please, please... tell me this trade is a joke.

Hinrich 40 mpg; 35,6% 3point; 37,9% 2point; 71,2% freetrhows; 10 pts....

Are you crazy here?

And, of course, we give up our future with this trade

how do we give up our future?

  He probably means taking on the contracts.

We weren't going to have cap space anyways and we get a young PF with potential to take KG's spot in the next few years. That's not exactly giving up on the future , it actually helps our future.