CHI sun times rumor: Ray Allen for Kirk Hinrich

[LarBrd33]

If we are dealing with Chicago... Luol Deng or bust.

[Chris]

To me, there seems to be a missing part to this trade for the Celtics.

The SG they would then sign after they get bought out?

[GranTur]

Glen Davis is a disappointment right now because of injury and immaturity, but he's got infinitely more upside than Tyrus Thomas.

If Davis gets his stuff together, he'll be a bargain role player for a while.

Tyrus Thomas is inconsistent and unfocused. Salmons is having a horrible year. Hinrich's a shadow of his former self.

Let's just put all this Chicago Bulls talk to rest.

[Fafnir]

If we are dealing with Chicago... Luol Deng or bust.

Deng would be an amazing get, I don't see it happening.

[wdleehi]

To me, there seems to be a missing part to this trade for the Celtics.

The SG they would then sign after they get bought out?

That's probably it.

[LarBrd33]

If we are dealing with Chicago... Luol Deng or bust.

Deng would be an amazing get, I don't see it happening.

THe only reason they would dump Deng would be if they honestly believed the had a viable shot at landing 3 of the major free agents.  Bron/Wade + Joe Johnson + Bosh joining up with DRose is a nice dream.  Bill Simmons seems convinced its a good diea.  His twitter the other day:  "PS: If I'm running the Bulls, my goal is a 2011 superteam (Noah, Bosh, LeBron, Rose, Joe Johnson). Gotta move Hinrich/Deng."

If they traded Deng and Hinrich for Ray straight up... that would solve the cap problems preventing such a scenario.

[Donoghus]

Glen Davis is a disappointment right now because of injury and immaturity, but he's got infinitely more upside than Tyrus Thomas.

If Davis gets his stuff together, he'll be a bargain role player for a while.

Tyrus Thomas is inconsistent and unfocused. Salmons is having a horrible year. Hinrich's a shadow of his former self.

Let's just put all this Chicago Bulls talk to rest.

I wouldn't say that Davis has "infinitely more upside" than Tyrus Thomas by any means.  You're talking about a guy who was a Top 5 draft pick not long ago.  

He has clearly shown some potential but as you mentioned, he's been very inconsistent thus far in his career.  This season has been a bit of a lost cause for him due to injuries.  I also think part of the problem is that I equate his fit in Chicago's system to being "a square peg in a round hole".

However, I think he has a higher ceiling than Davis when all is said and done.  Whether he lives up to it is an entirely different question, though.

[GranTur]

Glen Davis is a disappointment right now because of injury and immaturity, but he's got infinitely more upside than Tyrus Thomas.

If Davis gets his stuff together, he'll be a bargain role player for a while.

Tyrus Thomas is inconsistent and unfocused. Salmons is having a horrible year. Hinrich's a shadow of his former self.

Let's just put all this Chicago Bulls talk to rest.

However, I think he has a higher ceiling than Davis when all is said and done.  Whether he lives up to it is an entirely different question, though.

He's headcase and problem to coach. If Davis sheds weight to gain mobility, he can contribute more defensively and also gives you a consistent jump shot.

The only disadvantage is in rebounding ability due to size and athleticism.

Davis has to mature, but he has shown commitment to his team, something Tyrus Thomas has never shown.

I'll take Davis by a hair since he'll always make 3-5 million.

[Tai]

If Salmons is involved in this deal, I MIGHT like it. MIGHT.

[rondohondo]

Glen Davis is a disappointment right now because of injury and immaturity, but he's got infinitely more upside than Tyrus Thomas.

If Davis gets his stuff together, he'll be a bargain role player for a while.

Tyrus Thomas is inconsistent and unfocused. Salmons is having a horrible year. Hinrich's a shadow of his former self.

Let's just put all this Chicago Bulls talk to rest.

However, I think he has a higher ceiling than Davis when all is said and done.  Whether he lives up to it is an entirely different question, though.

He's headcase and problem to coach. If Davis sheds weight to gain mobility, he can contribute more defensively and also gives you a consistent jump shot.

The only disadvantage is in rebounding ability due to size and athleticism.

Davis has to mature, but he has shown commitment to his team, something Tyrus Thomas has never shown.

I'll take Davis by a hair since he'll always make 3-5 million.

you have to be kidding me. Thomas is the far superior defensive player and rebounder. He is averaging 1.75 blk and 1.25 stls with 6 rebs per game in only 23 mins. He is far more athletic and is able to help from the weak side.

[Tai]

Glen Davis is a disappointment right now because of injury and immaturity, but he's got infinitely more upside than Tyrus Thomas.

If Davis gets his stuff together, he'll be a bargain role player for a while.

Tyrus Thomas is inconsistent and unfocused. Salmons is having a horrible year. Hinrich's a shadow of his former self.

Let's just put all this Chicago Bulls talk to rest.

However, I think he has a higher ceiling than Davis when all is said and done.  Whether he lives up to it is an entirely different question, though.

He's headcase and problem to coach. If Davis sheds weight to gain mobility, he can contribute more defensively and also gives you a consistent jump shot.

The only disadvantage is in rebounding ability due to size and athleticism.

Davis has to mature, but he has shown commitment to his team, something Tyrus Thomas has never shown.

I'll take Davis by a hair since he'll always make 3-5 million.

you have to be kidding me. Thomas is the far superior defensive player and rebounder. He is averaging 1.75 blk and 1.25 stls with 6 rebs per game in only 23 mins. He is far more athletic and is able to help from the weak side.

If BBD gets his jumpshot going, I take him, end of story.

[ManUp]

I hate this deal.

The only way I do this deal is if Ray comes back.

[ForexPirate]

i would probably want to trade him for Gay, Randolph and Hudson from Memphis.  Giving up Ray and BBD.  Let BBD do some of the stuff that Randolph does while Memphis gets a big salary so they can become a big player in upcoming free agency.  They are a good team that needs a special player to get over the hump.

They can give us back Hudson as of 2/7/10 - so don't expect a trade until then.  I think its already been worked out but hudson's salary was needed to make it work so we let him go knowing that memphis would pick him up.  (How's that for making up a rumor?)

[byennie]

I'm not a huge fan of Tyrus Thomas because he does seem like a knucklehead, but I think people are selling him a little short. Granted, he hasn't delivered on his top-5 draft status yet. But he IS still only 23, and is probably the best shot blocking PF in the league right now plus a pretty good rebounder. I don't know if he's gonna ever gonna be a franchise guy, but he definitely has value.

I would see the rotation something like (note: don't try to decipher this per se, it's to make a point)

Rondo / Daniels / Hinrich / House
T Allen / Hinrich / Pierce / House
Pierce / T Allen / Daniels
Garnett / Thomas / Davis
Perkins / Wallace

The point being, we would be playing a lot of matchup basketball with so many guys who could play the 2, but also the 1 or the 3.

I'll say one thing -- that unit could play some SERIOUS defense with Tony Allen starting and Hinrich / Thomas / Wallace as our first guys off the bench.

[Donoghus]

Glen Davis is a disappointment right now because of injury and immaturity, but he's got infinitely more upside than Tyrus Thomas.

If Davis gets his stuff together, he'll be a bargain role player for a while.

Tyrus Thomas is inconsistent and unfocused. Salmons is having a horrible year. Hinrich's a shadow of his former self.

Let's just put all this Chicago Bulls talk to rest.

However, I think he has a higher ceiling than Davis when all is said and done.  Whether he lives up to it is an entirely different question, though.

He's headcase and problem to coach. If Davis sheds weight to gain mobility, he can contribute more defensively and also gives you a consistent jump shot.

The only disadvantage is in rebounding ability due to size and athleticism.

Davis has to mature, but he has shown commitment to his team, something Tyrus Thomas has never shown.

I'll take Davis by a hair since he'll always make 3-5 million.

Headcase and problem to coach?  I think thats a big overblown but the same could be said for some of BBD's antics in the past.  Also, let's not forgot that these kids are still awfully young. Youth leads to stupidity in many cases.

People keep talking about IF BBD loses weight and such & such.  To me, that's no sure bet.  Like him or not, Thomas is a physical freak of nature.  Pretty raw but the kid oozes athleticism.  Of course, we've seen that in the past with players and they haven't panned out.  

I'm not really a fan of acquiring Henrich but Thomas would be an intriguing addition to this team and his strengths would help lend to some of our perceived weaknesses.

I just totally disagree with your statement that "BBD has infinitely more upside than Thomas".