What will Tebow be the NFL equivalent of?

[Roy H.]

Tommie Frazier completed less than 50% of his passes every year except his senior year. Bring back the option to NFL football!!!!!  No more sissy throwing! Where's the ghost of George Gipp?

Tommie Frazier also played on a team that had RBs and an offensive line that were head and shoulders above most other college players.  That would be like the Broncos signing five Pro Bowl linemen and Adrian Foster, and having an elite defense, as well.  Plus, Tebow would have to suddenly gain Mike Vick-like quickness and speed.

Under those circumstances, yes, Tebow could probably win consistently.

Tebow had similar talent around him in college, but he didn't have the blood clotting issues.

If it weren't for those I think Fraizer might have been able to play some in the NFL as a RB. He was a much more talented runner than Tebow is.

As a Huskers fan, though, I'm sure you'll agree that Big Red would have rolled the Tebow Gators.  Those Huskers teams dominated in a way that perhaps no program has since.

[Eja117]

Tommie Frazier completed less than 50% of his passes every year except his senior year. Bring back the option to NFL football!!!!!  No more sissy throwing! Where's the ghost of George Gipp?

Tommie Frazier also played on a team that had RBs and an offensive line that were head and shoulders above most other college players.  That would be like the Broncos signing five Pro Bowl linemen and Adrian Foster, and having an elite defense, as well.  Plus, Tebow would have to suddenly gain Mike Vick-like quickness and speed.

Under those circumstances, yes, Tebow could probably win consistently.

Tebow had similar talent around him in college, but he didn't have the blood clotting issues.

If it weren't for those I think Fraizer might have been able to play some in the NFL as a RB. He was a much more talented runner than Tebow is.

As a Huskers fan, though, I'm sure you'll agree that Big Red would have rolled the Tebow Gators.  Those Huskers teams dominated in a way that perhaps no program has since.

I think Kerry Collins, Ki Jana Carter, and some Penn State linebackers mighta had a little somethin for em.

[Roy H.]

Tommie Frazier completed less than 50% of his passes every year except his senior year. Bring back the option to NFL football!!!!!  No more sissy throwing! Where's the ghost of George Gipp?

Tommie Frazier also played on a team that had RBs and an offensive line that were head and shoulders above most other college players.  That would be like the Broncos signing five Pro Bowl linemen and Adrian Foster, and having an elite defense, as well.  Plus, Tebow would have to suddenly gain Mike Vick-like quickness and speed.

Under those circumstances, yes, Tebow could probably win consistently.

Tebow had similar talent around him in college, but he didn't have the blood clotting issues.

If it weren't for those I think Fraizer might have been able to play some in the NFL as a RB. He was a much more talented runner than Tebow is.

As a Huskers fan, though, I'm sure you'll agree that Big Red would have rolled the Tebow Gators.  Those Huskers teams dominated in a way that perhaps no program has since.

I think Kerry Collins, Ki Jana Carter, and some Penn State linebackers mighta had a little somethin for em.

Bah...  Nebraska would have killed them.   

[Eja117]

Tommie Frazier completed less than 50% of his passes every year except his senior year. Bring back the option to NFL football!!!!!  No more sissy throwing! Where's the ghost of George Gipp?

Tommie Frazier also played on a team that had RBs and an offensive line that were head and shoulders above most other college players.  That would be like the Broncos signing five Pro Bowl linemen and Adrian Foster, and having an elite defense, as well.  Plus, Tebow would have to suddenly gain Mike Vick-like quickness and speed.

Under those circumstances, yes, Tebow could probably win consistently.

Tebow had similar talent around him in college, but he didn't have the blood clotting issues.

If it weren't for those I think Fraizer might have been able to play some in the NFL as a RB. He was a much more talented runner than Tebow is.

As a Huskers fan, though, I'm sure you'll agree that Big Red would have rolled the Tebow Gators.  Those Huskers teams dominated in a way that perhaps no program has since.

I think Kerry Collins, Ki Jana Carter, and some Penn State linebackers mighta had a little somethin for em.

Bah...  Nebraska would have killed them.   

Yeeahhhh. Riiigghhhttt. And the reason we have to believe this is all the pro success those Huskers had compared to the PSU guys. Um.   

[Roy H.]

Tebow looked legitimately good today.  Of course, the Vikings defense gets some blame for that, but Tebow made the throws that he needed to.  Nice game.

The Broncos are tied for their division lead.  Who would have imagined?

[PosImpos]

Tebow looked legitimately good today.  Of course, the Vikings defense gets some blame for that, but Tebow made the throws that he needed to.  Nice game.

The Broncos are tied for their division lead.  Who would have imagined?

certainly not me.  the fighting tebows just keep on keeping on.  i still feel good about the patriots matching up with them, though.

[Eja117]

20 yards per reception. He didn't rush for almost any yards and he didn't have Von Miller. Someone will tell us why it doesn't matter and why he's not a good quarterback.

I found one comment interesting today.  Keyshawn Johnson asked Carter if he believed Tebow could be successful. Carter, who had already for the umpteenth time stated Tebow couldn't have long term success, stated "I believe what I see".

I found that to be an odd comment from an ordained minister who was doubted by a lot of people himself when he was young, and for good reason.

I definitely think one thing that's happening here is guys like Merril Hoge are looking at Tebow and realizing "Wow. If I had had a tenth the heart of this guy maybe I could have been a good player."  Hey Merril. Sit down.  Let me listen to Keyshawn and Chris Carter. They know what they're talking about. You can go hang out with Chris Berman and Kirk Herbstreet or something.

Also it was very interesting to see Bill Parcells tell Merril "This kid has something you aren't seeing"

I'm pretty sure they script these things and make these guys take opposing sides sometimes.

It was interesting to see Mike Ditka say "They gotta put him on his back. They gotta make him pay the price and nobody has done that yet."  Hey Mike. The only guy bigger that Tebow in this league is Gronkowski and he plays offense. No seriously. Who exactly is going to put Tebow "on his back"?  What army? It won't be the French army and it won't be the Swiss Army. It won't be a lot of people.  Their best option is to sign Chuck Norris and hope he slows down Tebow juuusssttt enough to let a couple guys get in there and gang tackle him. 

[Eja117]

Quick. Who has the most yards per rushing attempt in the league?  More yards than Mark Ingram?

[nickagneta]

I hate to be the messenger for you regarding your man crush on Tim Tebow, eja, but there is zero chance he sustains his winning ways against coaches that can properly game plan for him.

Denver has had recent success versus

Miami when they were hurt and playing poorly
Oakland one of the worst defensive teams in the league without a very good offense
Kansas City a team that had its starting QB knocked ou during the game and is pretty inept offensively as a whole
The Jets, a slumping team with a bad QB
San Diego, a slumping team with a QB having his worse year ever
Minnesota, a horrible team.

I have to say I applaud the team as a whole and the job Fox is doing. He has that defense playing fabulously. They are a +5 0ver the last 4 wins and their defense has scored 2 TDS and their special teams has a TD in another game. Without those scores, there is no Tebow magic.

Once Denver starts playing teams that are good and will properly game plan that offense, the Tebow era is over. He is maybe the worst NFL starting QB with the least throwing talent and some of the best running talent.

Make him a TE in the Hernandez mold in NE and he could have a long successful NFL career.

[Cman]

Tebow had an impressive game yesterday, stat-wise.
And the Broncos won without their best player (Von Miller).
Yet, I'm only slightly more impressed with Tebow than I was before the day began.
Why? Two reasons: (1) He played against one of the worst teams in the league yesterday and (2) When the national media start to get behind him (as they are doing), I think it spells the end. More detail on (2)? The more teams game plan for him, the worse he will do (see: Dalton, Andy).

[Eja117]

Guys I am not buying that people aren't game planning for Tebow. Plus John Fox can game plan too, in order to try to counter that.  I get that the more film that's available and the more familiar they are with him the harder it may become, but still.

Also I would have to ask this.....Is Tebow improving?  His passing yards went up the last three games in a row.   So is he improving?

I'll agree to wait and see status.  But I'm allowed to believe.   

I think what bugs me isn't that people said he won't have long term success playing like this. It's more that people are saying he can't play in the NFL. That he has no ability.  That it's all the defense. Just stuff like this. 

I would think at least people would upgrade to....if he keeps improving and working hard he has a chance to be a better than average QB.

But honestly there are some things going on...how do you game plan for his leadership?  Maybe down the road when he loses some games, but next week's opponent can't currently game plan for the fact that his teammates believe in him and themselves right now.  I'm telling you now the Broncos expect to win next week. A lot of teams can say that, but not all of them, and Tebow is a huge part of that.

[indeedproceed]

Look...Tim Tebow has helped win 6 of the Broncos' last 7 games. That's 20% of the NFL. Until he starts to lose at a similar pace, I think its pretty fair to agree its time to stop the 'When the NFL figures him out' schtick. Just doesn't pass the smell test anymore (and let's not forget, I was touting that line for weeks at the beginning of the year).

[Eja117]

I'm ok with the "when the NFL figures him out stuff", but I think we need to consider that Tebow himself might continue to figure out the NFL as well. People often improve with reps and I think he's improving. Bill Parcells also thinks so. 

[Greenbean]

Look...Tim Tebow has helped win 6 of the Broncos' last 7 games. That's 20% of the NFL. Until he starts to lose at a similar pace, I think its pretty fair to agree its time to stop the 'When the NFL figures him out' schtick. Just doesn't pass the smell test anymore (and let's not forget, I was touting that line for weeks at the beginning of the year).

I need to preface what Im about to say with the fact that I really think Tebow has the makeup to be successful in this league.

However, I cant forget that the 2008 Dolphins rode the wildcat formation to an 11-5 record.

I think time has shown that gimmicky style offenses that might work in college get "figured out" in the NFL if they are not executed perfectly.

I do think Tebow will improve enouhg as a passer and he could become a true dual threat. He is already showing signs of it now.

I just dont think a pure option offense can work in the NFL long term. It has been around forever and I think there is a reason why it isnt used. Through the passing game is the more efficient way to score touchdowns...

[Eja117]

Look...Tim Tebow has helped win 6 of the Broncos' last 7 games. That's 20% of the NFL. Until he starts to lose at a similar pace, I think its pretty fair to agree its time to stop the 'When the NFL figures him out' schtick. Just doesn't pass the smell test anymore (and let's not forget, I was touting that line for weeks at the beginning of the year).

I need to preface what Im about to say with the fact that I really think Tebow has the makeup to be successful in this league.

However, I cant forget that the 2008 Dolphins rode the wildcat formation to an 11-5 record.

I think time has shown that gimmicky style offenses that might work in college get "figured out" in the NFL if they are not executed perfectly.

I do think Tebow will improve enouhg as a passer and he could become a true dual threat. He is already showing signs of it now.

I just dont think a pure option offense can work in the NFL long term. It has been around forever and I think there is a reason why it isnt used. Through the passing game is the more efficient way to score touchdowns...

I think one major reason it isn't used more is people don't have the athletes for it. Tebow can do it. Brady can't.   I think he only rushed 4 times this week.

One thing that bugs me is it seems some critics want Tebow to win against some great team, without a good running back behind him (he already doesn't have Moreno, or all that many good receivers for that matter) and without a good defense. Till then no matter what he does it's "yeaaahhh, but he's got great running backs and a great defense".   What QB can win against good teams with no running back and no defense? Bradford has a RB. He isn't doing it. Cam has two RBs. He isn't doing it. Maybe Dalton is doing it.