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What will Tebow be the NFL equivalent of?

0 - Jason White or Tommie Frasier. Your grandkid will say "Tim who?"
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1 - Eric Crouch. Not an NFL QB. Not an NFL player. Barely a CFL QB
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2 -  Tee Martin or Adrian McPherson or something. Drafted as a backup, but still doesn't make it
2 (3.3%)
3 - Todd Collins or maybe Danny Weurfeulish Career backup
1 (1.6%)
4 - Chris Simms or Rex Grossman or something. Will tease and make some starts, and show some potential but that's about it.
5 (8.2%)
5 - Brady Quinn. Not your biggest problem on the team, but not really a solution either. Nobody knows what to do with him.
2 (3.3%)
6 - Trent Ewardsish. - Will play and give you a chance to win, but that's about it.
3 (4.9%)
7 - Trent Dilfer or possibly Chad Pennington. - Will do some winning at times. May get to one Pro Bowl, but not one of the best of his era
8 (13.1%)
8 - Matt Ryan/Joe Flacco or Matt Hasselbeck/Aaron Rogersish or something. Good from day 1 or waits his turn and does well. Good enough to do winning and give hope for big things.
4 (6.6%)
9 - Drew Brees or Phillip Rivers. A very good QB in his era.
2 (3.3%)
10 - Manning, Brady, Montanaish
3 (4.9%)
Not Applicable. - Michael Robinson, Julian Edelmen, Brad Smithish
5 (8.2%)
Not in these categories. More like John Beck or Patrick Ramsey. Just a wasted high pick most likely.
1 (1.6%)
Collosal Bust ala Cade McNown, Tim Couch, Ryan Leaf cause someone will draft him very high
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Doug Flutie. Break the rules. Change the game
15 (24.6%)

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Re: What will Tebow be the NFL equivalent of?
« Reply #255 on: November 29, 2011, 09:25:31 AM »

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I still wouldn't hold my breath on him.  I've lived in Philadelphia for nearly 20 years now and have seen all sorts of flash-in-the-pan quarterback action here with A.J. Feely, Koy and Ty Detmer, and Kevin Kolb all showing flashes for a few games before amounting to nothing (or in Kolb's case, mediocrity). 


But here's the thing.  The whole Tebow deal isn't based on fans calling him the greatest thing ever.  It's based on people saying he can't even play in the league.  Not that he's going to be Feely or the Detmers or Kolb or even Kordell Stewart but that he literally CAN'T play in the NFL and that you're better off playing someone like Kyle Orton, even if the team goes 1-4 and looks like crap.

Besides all the other crap like religion and what have you, this was about a guy who expert after expert after expert loudly and vehemently said shouldn't even get a chance to get on the field.  Now it's about the fact that the guy is winning and those experts don't care.

The whole thing reminds me of Kurt Warner.  You can make a pretty good argument that Warner should wind up in the Hall of Fame, but he might NEVER have gotten a chance to start if Trent Green hadn't been injured and out for the season.  That's because Warner was an undrafted guy out of the University of Northern Iowa and no one, absolutely no one, was every going to give him a chance to be a starter.  He was never going to be more than the 3rd or 4th quarterback invited to camp to compete for the back up QB spot.  In 1998, he was third string behind Steve Bono and Tony Banks.  The next year, he led the Rams to a Super Bowl victory.  Are you going to tell me something magical happened that turned Warner from a guy who couldn't beat out two career journeymen into a league MVP?

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Re: What will Tebow be the NFL equivalent of?
« Reply #256 on: November 29, 2011, 09:32:05 AM »

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I still wouldn't hold my breath on him.  I've lived in Philadelphia for nearly 20 years now and have seen all sorts of flash-in-the-pan quarterback action here with A.J. Feely, Koy and Ty Detmer, and Kevin Kolb all showing flashes for a few games before amounting to nothing (or in Kolb's case, mediocrity). 


But here's the thing.  The whole Tebow deal isn't based on fans calling him the greatest thing ever.  It's based on people saying he can't even play in the league.  Not that he's going to be Feely or the Detmers or Kolb or even Kordell Stewart but that he literally CAN'T play in the NFL and that you're better off playing someone like Kyle Orton, even if the team goes 1-4 and looks like crap.

Besides all the other crap like religion and what have you, this was about a guy who expert after expert after expert loudly and vehemently said shouldn't even get a chance to get on the field.  Now it's about the fact that the guy is winning and those experts don't care.

The whole thing reminds me of Kurt Warner.  You can make a pretty good argument that Warner should wind up in the Hall of Fame, but he might NEVER have gotten a chance to start if Trent Green hadn't been injured and out for the season.  That's because Warner was an undrafted guy out of the University of Northern Iowa and no one, absolutely no one, was every going to give him a chance to be a starter.  He was never going to be more than the 3rd or 4th quarterback invited to camp to compete for the back up QB spot.  In 1998, he was third string behind Steve Bono and Tony Banks.  The next year, he led the Rams to a Super Bowl victory.  Are you going to tell me something magical happened that turned Warner from a guy who couldn't beat out two career journeymen into a league MVP?

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Oh no no no.  It was the defense! They got way better the second he took the field. And it was totally unsustainable.  Remember when he got beat by a better defense?  Warner never had a chance. He was just a flash in the pan that eventually got figured out.

Warner has a better resume than Manning and it kills people.

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« Reply #257 on: November 29, 2011, 09:54:53 AM »

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I still wouldn't hold my breath on him.  I've lived in Philadelphia for nearly 20 years now and have seen all sorts of flash-in-the-pan quarterback action here with A.J. Feely, Koy and Ty Detmer, and Kevin Kolb all showing flashes for a few games before amounting to nothing (or in Kolb's case, mediocrity). 


But here's the thing.  The whole Tebow deal isn't based on fans calling him the greatest thing ever.  It's based on people saying he can't even play in the league.  Not that he's going to be Feely or the Detmers or Kolb or even Kordell Stewart but that he literally CAN'T play in the NFL and that you're better off playing someone like Kyle Orton, even if the team goes 1-4 and looks like crap.

Besides all the other crap like religion and what have you, this was about a guy who expert after expert after expert loudly and vehemently said shouldn't even get a chance to get on the field.  Now it's about the fact that the guy is winning and those experts don't care.

The whole thing reminds me of Kurt Warner.  You can make a pretty good argument that Warner should wind up in the Hall of Fame, but he might NEVER have gotten a chance to start if Trent Green hadn't been injured and out for the season.  That's because Warner was an undrafted guy out of the University of Northern Iowa and no one, absolutely no one, was every going to give him a chance to be a starter.  He was never going to be more than the 3rd or 4th quarterback invited to camp to compete for the back up QB spot.  In 1998, he was third string behind Steve Bono and Tony Banks.  The next year, he led the Rams to a Super Bowl victory.  Are you going to tell me something magical happened that turned Warner from a guy who couldn't beat out two career journeymen into a league MVP?

Mike
Oh no no no.  It was the defense! They got way better the second he took the field. And it was totally unsustainable.  Remember when he got beat by a better defense?  Warner never had a chance. He was just a flash in the pan that eventually got figured out.

Warner has a better resume than Manning and it kills people.

Warner was a legitimately great NFL QB who led multiple teams to the Super Bowl.  He completed over 65% of his passes for his career.  On the field, Tebow is nowhere near comparable.

Tebow is winning, and he deserves a ton of credit.  He's a good leader.  In terms of passing, though, he's very poor.  He has yet to complete more than 50% of his throws in a game, for instance.  That's just not a blueprint for long term success.

He needs to improve before defenses catch up to him.  Time will tell if that's possible.


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Re: What will Tebow be the NFL equivalent of?
« Reply #258 on: November 29, 2011, 10:04:55 AM »

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Tommie Frazier completed less than 50% of his passes every year except his senior year. Bring back the option to NFL football!!!!!  No more sissy throwing! Where's the ghost of George Gipp?

Re: What will Tebow be the NFL equivalent of?
« Reply #259 on: November 29, 2011, 10:11:19 AM »

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Tommie Frazier completed less than 50% of his passes every year except his senior year. Bring back the option to NFL football!!!!!  No more sissy throwing! Where's the ghost of George Gipp?

Tommie Frazier also played on a team that had RBs and an offensive line that were head and shoulders above most other college players.  That would be like the Broncos signing five Pro Bowl linemen and Adrian Foster, and having an elite defense, as well.  Plus, Tebow would have to suddenly gain Mike Vick-like quickness and speed.

Under those circumstances, yes, Tebow could probably win consistently.


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« Reply #260 on: November 29, 2011, 10:24:55 AM »

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Tommie Frazier completed less than 50% of his passes every year except his senior year. Bring back the option to NFL football!!!!!  No more sissy throwing! Where's the ghost of George Gipp?

Tommie Frazier also played on a team that had RBs and an offensive line that were head and shoulders above most other college players.  That would be like the Broncos signing five Pro Bowl linemen and Adrian Foster, and having an elite defense, as well.  Plus, Tebow would have to suddenly gain Mike Vick-like quickness and speed.

Under those circumstances, yes, Tebow could probably win consistently.

Adrian Foster?  Is he some kinda mutant cross of Arian Foster and Adrian Peterson?  I want that guy on the Pats! ;)
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« Reply #261 on: November 29, 2011, 10:29:38 AM »

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Tommie Frazier completed less than 50% of his passes every year except his senior year. Bring back the option to NFL football!!!!!  No more sissy throwing! Where's the ghost of George Gipp?

Tommie Frazier also played on a team that had RBs and an offensive line that were head and shoulders above most other college players.  That would be like the Broncos signing five Pro Bowl linemen and Adrian Foster, and having an elite defense, as well.  Plus, Tebow would have to suddenly gain Mike Vick-like quickness and speed.

Under those circumstances, yes, Tebow could probably win consistently.
I think even Brett Farve could win consistently in those circumstances. Well. Maybe not Farve, but pretty much any other NFL QB.

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« Reply #262 on: November 29, 2011, 10:51:53 AM »

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Tommie Frazier completed less than 50% of his passes every year except his senior year. Bring back the option to NFL football!!!!!  No more sissy throwing! Where's the ghost of George Gipp?

Tommie Frazier also played on a team that had RBs and an offensive line that were head and shoulders above most other college players.  That would be like the Broncos signing five Pro Bowl linemen and Adrian Foster, and having an elite defense, as well.  Plus, Tebow would have to suddenly gain Mike Vick-like quickness and speed.

Under those circumstances, yes, Tebow could probably win consistently.

Adrian Foster?  Is he some kinda mutant cross of Arian Foster and Adrian Peterson?  I want that guy on the Pats! ;)

Haha.  Yep, that's him.


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Re: What will Tebow be the NFL equivalent of?
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Tommie Frazier completed less than 50% of his passes every year except his senior year. Bring back the option to NFL football!!!!!  No more sissy throwing! Where's the ghost of George Gipp?

Tommie Frazier also played on a team that had RBs and an offensive line that were head and shoulders above most other college players.  That would be like the Broncos signing five Pro Bowl linemen and Adrian Foster, and having an elite defense, as well.  Plus, Tebow would have to suddenly gain Mike Vick-like quickness and speed.

Under those circumstances, yes, Tebow could probably win consistently.
I think even Brett Farve could win consistently in those circumstances. Well. Maybe not Farve, but pretty much any other NFL QB.

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Tommie Frazier completed less than 50% of his passes every year except his senior year. Bring back the option to NFL football!!!!!  No more sissy throwing! Where's the ghost of George Gipp?

Tommie Frazier also played on a team that had RBs and an offensive line that were head and shoulders above most other college players.  That would be like the Broncos signing five Pro Bowl linemen and Adrian Foster, and having an elite defense, as well.  Plus, Tebow would have to suddenly gain Mike Vick-like quickness and speed.

Under those circumstances, yes, Tebow could probably win consistently.
Tebow had similar talent around him in college, but he didn't have the blood clotting issues.

If it weren't for those I think Fraizer might have been able to play some in the NFL as a RB. He was a much more talented runner than Tebow is.

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Tommie Frazier completed less than 50% of his passes every year except his senior year. Bring back the option to NFL football!!!!!  No more sissy throwing! Where's the ghost of George Gipp?

Tommie Frazier also played on a team that had RBs and an offensive line that were head and shoulders above most other college players.  That would be like the Broncos signing five Pro Bowl linemen and Adrian Foster, and having an elite defense, as well.  Plus, Tebow would have to suddenly gain Mike Vick-like quickness and speed.

Under those circumstances, yes, Tebow could probably win consistently.
Tebow had similar talent around him in college, but he didn't have the blood clotting issues.

If it weren't for those I think Fraizer might have been able to play some in the NFL as a RB. He was a much more talented runner than Tebow is.
what does college have to do with anything?  Tebow was a 66.4% career passer at Florida with over 9200 yards, a 9.3 Y/A, and 88 TD's with just 16 INT's. 
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Hall of Fame quarterback and Broncos executive John Elway is "surprised" that people took his Nov. 21 comments about quarterback Tim Tebow so negatively.

One week ago, Denver's executive vice president of football operations said "No" when asked on 102.3 FM The Ticket in Denver if he felt he was any closer to finding the Broncos' quarterback of the future.

"I was surprised in the fact that people took it to be a negative answer and it really wasn't a negative answer," Elway said Monday on the same show, according to NFL.com. "That's where I was taken aback. It wasn't meant to be a strike at Timmy at all.

"It was just a reality check of where we were at the time, and it wasn't a negative because I tried to follow it up with all the positive things we were doing and tried to point out some things we needed to get better at."

According to NFL.com, Elway told the radio station Monday the issue stems from poor communication on his part.

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Tommie Frazier completed less than 50% of his passes every year except his senior year. Bring back the option to NFL football!!!!!  No more sissy throwing! Where's the ghost of George Gipp?

Tommie Frazier also played on a team that had RBs and an offensive line that were head and shoulders above most other college players.  That would be like the Broncos signing five Pro Bowl linemen and Adrian Foster, and having an elite defense, as well.  Plus, Tebow would have to suddenly gain Mike Vick-like quickness and speed.

Under those circumstances, yes, Tebow could probably win consistently.
Tebow had similar talent around him in college, but he didn't have the blood clotting issues.

If it weren't for those I think Fraizer might have been able to play some in the NFL as a RB. He was a much more talented runner than Tebow is.
what does college have to do with anything?  Tebow was a 66.4% career passer at Florida with over 9200 yards, a 9.3 Y/A, and 88 TD's with just 16 INT's. 
Forgive me for making a side comment on Tommy Fraizer, heaven forbid I go slighly off topic and slight Tebow by not, well I'm not sure what, but it didn't involve him so there is that.

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Its a darn shame that Frazier had the blood clot issue and wasn't able to showcase his talent in the NFL.

The kid was seriously legit and the best player on the 2nd most dominant college football team I've ever seen with my own two eyes (behind '01 Miami). 


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« Reply #269 on: November 29, 2011, 04:20:54 PM »

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Its a darn shame that Frazier had the blood clot issue and wasn't able to showcase his talent in the NFL.

The kid was seriously legit and the best player on the 2nd most dominant college football team I've ever seen with my own two eyes (behind '01 Miami). 
Nebraska was more dominant than Miami, I mean the Hurricanes beat Va Tech by just 2 points and BC by just 11.  Washington State was the only team within 23 of Nebraska in the 95 season and that was still a 14 point game.  That in and of itself is odd because Washington State was a bad football team that year finishing 2-6 in the Pac Ten and 3-8 overall.  Nebraska beat Colorado, Kansas, and Kansas State by a combined score of 134-49.  Those three teams only losses that season were to Nebraska and to each other in a round robin split (and that includes the bowls).  Nebraska beat 12-0 #2 ranked Florida 62-24 in the Fiesta Bowl.  All four of those teams finished ranked in the top 9 in the final AP poll and the combined score in the games with Nebraska was 196-73.

During Miami's season only Nebraska finished in the top 10 and it dropped to #8 after the loss to Miami in the Rose Bowl.  Miami did play a bunch of teams that finished ranked from 14-21 (cuse, fsu, va tech, washington, and bc), but the games were much closer on the whole. 

Miami was definitely an all time great team, but Nebraska was just flat out better and that bore out in the results on the field of play.
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