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Re: Ray as 6th Man???
« Reply #60 on: January 31, 2010, 05:38:33 PM »

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if pierce keeps draining three's at a ray like rate i can see inserting the slashing t allen into the starting lineup.
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Re: Ray as 6th Man???
« Reply #61 on: January 31, 2010, 05:40:54 PM »

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No. 


Ray is the starter.  He just needs to find his range again.
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Re: Ray as 6th Man???
« Reply #62 on: January 31, 2010, 06:14:57 PM »

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if Ray ends up as a 6th man... I hope it's because cashed in on his expiring contract and he ended up getting bought out.
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Re: Ray as 6th Man???
« Reply #63 on: January 31, 2010, 06:15:25 PM »

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Funny, I was thinking of posting the same thing at half time. I think we have to try something to shake things up, and that might do it. At this point I will try just about anything.
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Re: Ray as 6th Man???
« Reply #64 on: January 31, 2010, 06:16:58 PM »

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just trade Ray.  He's not entirely washed up, but he's not a star anymore.   
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Re: Ray as 6th Man???
« Reply #65 on: January 31, 2010, 06:17:39 PM »

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My post from the game thread in the 1st half...

Quote from: celtsrp33 on January 31, 2010, 04:33:49 PM
Who's gonna start the "Start Tony, Ray is a 6th Man" thread???

lol
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Re: How About More Tony and Less Ray?
« Reply #66 on: January 31, 2010, 06:17:43 PM »

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Who's with me now?

I'm not talking about starting Tony.  I'm only saying reduce Ray's minutes so Tony can play more. Ray should play no more than 25-30 minutes.

Where was Tony in the 2nd half against the Lakers?  He might of helped build a bigger lead. :-\
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Re: How About More Tony and Less Ray?
« Reply #67 on: January 31, 2010, 06:20:48 PM »

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As far as today goes, Doc had the rotatation right except for the last Laker possession.  After Paul's offensive foul, I thought TA should have been in for defensive purposes, but that is nit picking.  Ray actually played Bryant very well.  He just hit a great shot.

TA should not be taking Ray's minutes.
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Re: How About More Tony and Less Ray?
« Reply #68 on: January 31, 2010, 06:23:41 PM »

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Quote from: Bankshot on January 31, 2010, 06:17:43 PM
Who's with me now?

I'm not talking about starting Tony.  I'm only saying reduce Ray's minutes so Tony can play more. Ray should play no more than 25-30 minutes.

Where was Tony in the 2nd half against the Lakers?  He might of helped build a bigger lead. :-\

After being our 2nd best player in the 1st half, TA doesn't enter the game until 31 seconds left in the 3rd quarter. He is then forced to play pg so that House can run off screens and shoot wild jumpers. Doc then takes TA out in 4 minutes and leaves House in. It is clear where his priorities are...jump shooting over defense, rebouding, getting points in the paint.
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Re: How About More Tony and Less Ray?
« Reply #69 on: January 31, 2010, 06:24:05 PM »

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Quote from: Bankshot on January 31, 2010, 06:17:43 PM
Who's with me now?

I'm not talking about starting Tony.  I'm only saying reduce Ray's minutes so Tony can play more. Ray should play no more than 25-30 minutes.

Where was Tony in the 2nd half against the Lakers?  He might of helped build a bigger lead. :-\

the doc rivers school of coaching.

-be buddies with everyone in the media so they can never call you out for being a bad head coach.
-never defend your team.
-sell out young guys in interviews
-always play the guy who has been in the league longer.


TA was THE reason the c's were in the game in the 1st half. barely saw the floor in the 2nd half.

another hatchet job by doc and the refs. tough tag team to beat
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Re: Ray as 6th Man???
« Reply #70 on: January 31, 2010, 06:24:41 PM »

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Well, Ray is pretty much done. You can`t blame the guy for becoming "only" a role player at 35...

We need an upgrade at the 2 that has been clear for the whole season. If we want another ring we need to trade Allen and get back a young dynamic, athletic SG...
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Re: How About More Tony and Less Ray?
« Reply #71 on: January 31, 2010, 06:25:38 PM »

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Quote from: connerhenry43 on January 31, 2010, 06:24:05 PM
Quote from: Bankshot on January 31, 2010, 06:17:43 PM
Who's with me now?

I'm not talking about starting Tony.  I'm only saying reduce Ray's minutes so Tony can play more. Ray should play no more than 25-30 minutes.

Where was Tony in the 2nd half against the Lakers?  He might of helped build a bigger lead. :-\

the doc rivers school of coaching.

-be buddies with everyone in the media so they can never call you out for being a bad head coach.
-never defend your team.
-sell out young guys in interviews
-always play the guy who has been in the league longer.


TA was THE reason the c's were in the game in the 1st half. barely saw the floor in the 2nd half.

another hatchet job by doc and the refs. tough tag team to beat
I don't know if TA alone was the reason we stayed in the game.  A guy named Rondo played pretty darn well too.
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Re: How About More Tony and Less Ray?
« Reply #72 on: January 31, 2010, 06:26:59 PM »

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Quote from: RAcker on January 31, 2010, 06:25:38 PM
Quote from: connerhenry43 on January 31, 2010, 06:24:05 PM
Quote from: Bankshot on January 31, 2010, 06:17:43 PM
Who's with me now?

I'm not talking about starting Tony.  I'm only saying reduce Ray's minutes so Tony can play more. Ray should play no more than 25-30 minutes.

Where was Tony in the 2nd half against the Lakers?  He might of helped build a bigger lead. :-\

the doc rivers school of coaching.

-be buddies with everyone in the media so they can never call you out for being a bad head coach.
-never defend your team.
-sell out young guys in interviews
-always play the guy who has been in the league longer.


TA was THE reason the c's were in the game in the 1st half. barely saw the floor in the 2nd half.

another hatchet job by doc and the refs. tough tag team to beat
I don't know if TA alone was the reason we stayed in the game.  A guy named Rondo played pretty darn well too.

Yeah, but Rondo stopped attacking and the one thing that Tony does is attack.  He would have put the attack mentality back into the team.
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Re: How About More Tony and Less Ray?
« Reply #73 on: January 31, 2010, 06:31:33 PM »

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This season, you keep it how it is.  You gotta keep Ray in the starting lineup, Tony off the bench, and keep their minutes how they are.

Next season though is a different story.  Depending on how this season turns out will depend on alot obviously.  But they need to take a serious look at the possibility of either not signing Ray back at all, or signing him for much less money and making him a 6th man.

Which then perhaps opens the door for TA in a starting role or signing another starting 2 guard.
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Re: Ray as 6th Man???
« Reply #74 on: January 31, 2010, 06:32:45 PM »

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I doubt it will happen, but I'd be all for it.

Start Tony, let him play the "3" on offense (Pierce becomes the SG who can shoot) and let him match up at the "2" on defense.

Get Rondo and (Tony) Allen to feed off of each other and play high energy basketball. Then give Tony a good rest and let Ray Allen be the offense for the 2nd unit instead of Eddie House.

I'd rather Ray Ray just find his groove again, but this idea does have some merit even before today's game.
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