BOS / CHI trade idea (Salmons)

[PLamb]

This is a good trade and realistic for what we would get for Tony Allen and Brian Scalabrine

Let's face it, Tony will see limited minutes once Daniels is back because he just can't guard the bigger more athletic small forwards in the league

Now, Salmons probably isn't going to do any better of a job than Tony would defensively but in a half court set that the Celtics will be playing primarily out of in the playoffs, Salmons would be a much better offensive backup small forward that would make other players expend some valuable energy on the defensive end

[Brickowski]

Salmons is too streaky.  I'd rather keep Tony Allen, who is the best player in this proposed deal.

[Potapenko Boxout]

John Salmons is hideous

[wdleehi]

Salmons is too streaky.  I'd rather keep Tony Allen, who is the best player in this proposed deal.

Salmons, despite his streaks, is a better player the TA.

This down season is still better then TA's best season.

[Roy Hobbs]

John Salmons is hideous

Compared to who?  Scal, Tony, and Giddens? 

I don't think so.  The guy dropped 35 on us in a playoff game; he can't be that bad.

[More Banners]

Any trade of TA to Chicago would require Wyc to write a check to cover the additional security costs at the arena. 

I'm afraid that with TA's little character problem, not to mention injury history, he is exactly the player that absolutely no team wants, especially in Chicago...except as an expiring salary, and they might not even want him to show up.

He could help some teams on the court, though, but only the ones that already have shooters, and need a slasher/garbage/hustle guy to come in like the Tazmanian Devil, which is his "style".  Still, I wouldn't be surprised if TA wasn't in the league next year.

But, given that, maybe Chi does it as a pure $$$ move.  I think most teams dumping players for cap relief will want a pick, too.

And I agree that whomever is available for us in a trade this year will involve some sort of either risk or financial committment.  TP.

[BballTim]

John Salmons is hideous

Compared to who?  Scal, Tony, and Giddens? 

I don't think so.  The guy dropped 35 on us in a playoff game; he can't be that bad.

  Ta once had  10-15 game stretch when he played like a star.

[Roy Hobbs]

John Salmons is hideous

Compared to who?  Scal, Tony, and Giddens? 

I don't think so.  The guy dropped 35 on us in a playoff game; he can't be that bad.

  Ta once had  10-15 game stretch when he played like a star.

How many seasons ago?  And equally importantly, how many surgeries ago?

Salmons had an excellent year last year, both in Sacramento and Chicago.  He hasn't been as good this year (although still not bad) in large part because he's being relied upon to be a key starter (which he wasn't asked to be last year, and wouldn't be asked to be here.)

[BballTim]

John Salmons is hideous

Compared to who?  Scal, Tony, and Giddens? 

I don't think so.  The guy dropped 35 on us in a playoff game; he can't be that bad.

  Ta once had  10-15 game stretch when he played like a star.

How many seasons ago?  And equally importantly, how many surgeries ago?

Salmons had an excellent year last year, both in Sacramento and Chicago.  He hasn't been as good this year (although still not bad) in large part because he's being relied upon to be a key starter (which he wasn't asked to be last year, and wouldn't be asked to be here.)

  Salmons is 30 and has had exactly one excellent season in his career. He was starting last year for the Kings when he was excellent and he was starting for the Bulls last year when he was excellent. He's failed at the same role this year. I'm not sure we're in such a rush to pay someone $6M+ to come off  the bench and give us 5-6 points a game on 40% or so shooting.

[Potapenko Boxout]

John Salmons is hideous

Compared to who?  Scal, Tony, and Giddens? 

I don't think so.  The guy dropped 35 on us in a playoff game; he can't be that bad.

  Ta once had  10-15 game stretch when he played like a star.

How many seasons ago?  And equally importantly, how many surgeries ago?

Salmons had an excellent year last year, both in Sacramento and Chicago.  He hasn't been as good this year (although still not bad) in large part because he's being relied upon to be a key starter (which he wasn't asked to be last year, and wouldn't be asked to be here.)

I have to go with the popular "eye test" on this one. Salmons is better than Giddens and Scal, but if that's your point, you could make an easier case that Big Bird is yellow.

I still would rather have Tony Allen over John Salmons at this point, based on the fact that John Salmons is indefensively bad offensively - a Ricky Davis without the fun.

[jdub1660]

Thomas would be a better option at the 4 b/c it adds the oop to Rondos arsenal, plus his jumper is more reliable than BBDs.

Tyrus Thomas had an eFG% of .345 on 2 point jump shots last year. That's close to worst in the league for qualifying players. Both Glen Davis and Rondo had a better shooting percentage on 2 point jump shots.

Thomas has his virtues as a player, a reliable jump shot is not one of them. I don't think Chicago would do that deal either. They already are undersized enough and don't really need the elements that BBD adds.

Percentage wise BBD might be "better" but by reliable I mean the actual shot. BBD has a 2 inch vertical vs Tyrus's 40 inch. Tyrus actually has a JUMP SHOT. BBD just has the shot that looks like Antoine Walkers Shimmy dance. Not to mention, the bloggers interested in Salmons are still basing him off his playoff performance last year, which is the same series that Thomas busted back to back 10-15 footers over BBD. Looking at career stats too, seeing that they played close to the same minutes, TT outplayed BBD in every category.
7.8 - 5.9ppg. 5.1 - 3.6rpg. 1.4 - 0.3bpg.

[snively]

I feel like we already have a comparable bench player in Marquis Daniels, and even with Salmons' deep shooting, I like Marquis better.  

It certainly wouldn't hurt to add him, but I don't see him making us appreciably better.

[wdleehi]

I feel like we already have a comparable bench player in Marquis Daniels, and even with Salmons' deep shooting, I like Marquis better.  

It certainly wouldn't hurt to add him, but I don't see him making us appreciably better.

It would.  Less minutes for Pierce and Ray.  Another outside shooter.  Less pressure on Daniels to be the only ball handler on the 2nd team. 

It is his shooting that allows him to play with Daniels.  It also gives them a 2nd scoring weapon off the bench.

[BballTim]

I feel like we already have a comparable bench player in Marquis Daniels, and even with Salmons' deep shooting, I like Marquis better.  

It certainly wouldn't hurt to add him, but I don't see him making us appreciably better.

It would.  Less minutes for Pierce and Ray.  Another outside shooter.  Less pressure on Daniels to be the only ball handler on the 2nd team. 

It is his shooting that allows him to play with Daniels.  It also gives them a 2nd scoring weapon off the bench.

  I don't think his coming here translates to a big difference in Paul and Ray's minutes. KG coming back will help with that.

[Roy Hobbs]

I feel like we already have a comparable bench player in Marquis Daniels, and even with Salmons' deep shooting, I like Marquis better.  

It certainly wouldn't hurt to add him, but I don't see him making us appreciably better.

It would.  Less minutes for Pierce and Ray.  Another outside shooter.  Less pressure on Daniels to be the only ball handler on the 2nd team. 

It is his shooting that allows him to play with Daniels.  It also gives them a 2nd scoring weapon off the bench.

Yep.  In theory, Salmons would solve two problems, as he would fill the backup 3 hole, while allowing Daniels to play backup PG (on offense) full-time when he comes back.  Instead of asking Daniels to play both the 1 and the 3, he's simply be asked to backup one position.

I'm not sure what type of deal expect us to make with our expiring contracts.  We're not going to land a star.  A pretty good player on a somewhat overpriced, but still reasonable, contract is about the most we can ask for.

As for people who think TA is better than Salmons, I don't know what to say.  I know which one I'd prefer in the closing minutes of a playoff game, without a doubt.