Would Danny trade for Maggette and Randolph?

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With Marc Stein's note in Friday's Weekend Dime about the ability to ascertain Randolph if you're willing to take Maggette, and subsequent discussion here on the blog, it led me to wonder -- why wouldn't we do this deal?

Sure, Maggette has a long and somewhat inflated contract, but his production is solid and he, Ray, Paul would make an unstoppable wing combination for the next 2,3 years. Isn't that our "window"?  And couldn't we use the depth considering Quis' injury history?

Randolph has undeniable talent, both on O and D. Imagine him under the wing of KG? Look what it's done for Perk. He could be a bust, he could be a role player, he could be a shot blocking machine, he could be Amare Stoudemire.

 It seems mostly a function of ownership's willingness to spend, but even with Rondo's extension, assuming both Ray and Paul will take moderate paycuts over the next couple of seasons, their payroll shouldn't change dramatically and their bench would improve significantly while adding some hope for the future.

To think the combo could be had simply for cap relief and Baby (they could sure use him), seems like a steal, no?

[ToppersBsktball10]

I would.

[Chris]

I feel almost 100% confident that if the C's did decide to make a trade like that, Maggette would be the replacement for Ray after this year (if not during this year).  I cannot imagine a scenario where they trade for Maggette, and resign Ray next year.

With that said, I would have to at least consider a deal like that.

[Donoghus]

First of all, I don't think Golden State takes any package that we'd be willing to offer.

This is kinda blowing it up, don't you think?  Maggette is an expensive lackluster talent while Randolph is still a project.  Celtics would have to give up some bench depth to get these guys. 

I think a trade like this would actually hurt us short-term.   

[Chris]

First of all, I don't think Golden State takes any package that we'd be willing to offer.

This is kinda blowing it up, don't you think?  Maggette is an expensive lackluster talent while Randolph is still a project.  Celtics would have to give up some bench depth to get these guys. 

I think a trade like this would actually hurt us short-term.   

I think you are probably right.  Ultimately, I think it would only happen if Ray Allen was involved.  Something like Ray and change for Maggette, Randolph, and either Bell or Radmanovic (after Jan. 16). 

It probably would never happen on either side, but I think that is the only type of deal that makes much of any sense for both sides.

[Quinn]

I have the same birthday as a. randolph

but it depends what the package is.

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The report implies you have Randolph if you're willing to take Maggette. That means they're not taking back significant talent, they're dumping a veteran guy from a bad team in order to move on. Ray Allen is of course not being traded to the Warriors.

And I don't believe that Ray has to go next year because Maggette is here. Why? We essentially have no wing back-up at the moment, and Maggette has played very well as a sixth man in recent instances (mostly last year) in GSW. Maggette would act as the current sixth man until it makes sense for Ray to take that place in the future. Ray will sign for less to stay here, and let's face it: we're going to need some help on the wing here at SOME point.

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First of all, I don't think Golden State takes any package that we'd be willing to offer.

This is kinda blowing it up, don't you think?  Maggette is an expensive lackluster talent while Randolph is still a project.  Celtics would have to give up some bench depth to get these guys. 

I think a trade like this would actually hurt us short-term.   

We get worse? Maggette is one of the best wing scorers in the league no matter how you slice it. We're trading end of rotation guys for BOTH an established commodity and a serious long-term talent.

[Chris]

The report implies you have Randolph if you're willing to take Maggette. That means they're not taking back significant talent, they're dumping a veteran guy from a bad team in order to move on. Ray Allen is of course not being traded to the Warriors.

And I don't believe that Ray has to go next year because Maggette is here. Why? We essentially have no wing back-up at the moment, and Maggette has played very well as a sixth man in recent instances (mostly last year) in GSW. Maggette would act as the current sixth man until it makes sense for Ray to take that place in the future. Ray will sign for less to stay here, and let's face it: we're going to need some help on the wing here at SOME point.

The C's have to give up a huge portion of their bench to make it happen without Ray.  That is not going to happen.

And there is no way they are paying Maggette $8 million a year beyond this year to be the 6th man (or actually 7th man, when you count Sheed).  This trade only makes sense financially if they see Maggette as a future replacement for Ray as the starter.  If they don't see that, then they would not get involved in a deal like that.

Ultimately though, I don't think anyone is taking Maggette's contract, and GS is going to instead try to use Randolph (along with someone else) to try to get an All-Star.

[Donoghus]

First of all, I don't think Golden State takes any package that we'd be willing to offer.

This is kinda blowing it up, don't you think?  Maggette is an expensive lackluster talent while Randolph is still a project.  Celtics would have to give up some bench depth to get these guys. 

I think a trade like this would actually hurt us short-term.   

We get worse? Maggette is one of the best wing scorers in the league no matter how you slice it. We're trading end of rotation guys for BOTH an established commodity and a serious long-term talent.

They already have a championship caliber team so why blow up the bench now?  Why even risk it?

IMO, the point's moot anyhow because Golden State is not taking that package.

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The report implies you have Randolph if you're willing to take Maggette. That means they're not taking back significant talent, they're dumping a veteran guy from a bad team in order to move on. Ray Allen is of course not being traded to the Warriors.

And I don't believe that Ray has to go next year because Maggette is here. Why? We essentially have no wing back-up at the moment, and Maggette has played very well as a sixth man in recent instances (mostly last year) in GSW. Maggette would act as the current sixth man until it makes sense for Ray to take that place in the future. Ray will sign for less to stay here, and let's face it: we're going to need some help on the wing here at SOME point.

The C's have to give up a huge portion of their bench to make it happen without Ray.  That is not going to happen.

And there is no way they are paying Maggette $8 million a year beyond this year to be the 6th man (or actually 7th man, when you count Sheed).  This trade only makes sense financially if they see Maggette as a future replacement for Ray as the starter.  If they don't see that, then they would not get involved in a deal like that.

Ultimately though, I don't think anyone is taking Maggette's contract, and GS is going to instead try to use Randolph (along with someone else) to try to get an All-Star.

Use Randolph to get an All-Star? That would be a shrewd trick from any team much less Golden State. In any case, the question assumes the report from an informed source.

This year, Maggette comes off the bench unless there's an injury. We know Danny was interested in him before last season, albeit at a price. I'd assume this was as a bench player ala Posey. But yes, he'd become a starter as Ray begins to slow down.

[Chris]

This year, Maggette comes off the bench unless there's an injury. We know Danny was interested in him before last season, albeit at a price. I'd assume this was as a bench player ala Posey. But yes, he'd become a starter as Ray begins to slow down.

You are missing the point.  They are not going to pay for both of them.  If Ray Allen comes back next year, it won't be for 6th man money.  Allen will likely be making as much, or more than Maggette next year.  The C's will not be paying both of them.  I feel as confident in that statement in any statement I have ever made on this site.

Use Randolph to get an All-Star? That would be a shrewd trick from any team much less Golden State. In any case, the question assumes the report from an informed source.

I think you are really underestimating Randolph's value in the league.  While he has been in Nelson's doghouse, he is a dynamic talent, who is still incredibly young, and has star written all over him.  Teams are going to pay a premium to bring him in.

[ManUp]

If the best player we lose in a deal for Magette and Randolph is BBD, i'm all for it.

If it's either Ray or Maggette/Randolph I pick Ray. One because Magette is injury prone, and two because he can't shoot (not a valid replacement for Ray). If GS was willing to give up Maggette, Randolph, and Morrow for Ray and fillers I'd feel almost obligated to take such a deal. Morrow and Maggette together bring enough to offset the loss of Ray.

[ManUp]

accidental post....

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This year, Maggette comes off the bench unless there's an injury. We know Danny was interested in him before last season, albeit at a price. I'd assume this was as a bench player ala Posey. But yes, he'd become a starter as Ray begins to slow down.

You are missing the point.  They are not going to pay for both of them.  If Ray Allen comes back next year, it won't be for 6th man money.  Allen will likely be making as much, or more than Maggette next year.  The C's will not be paying both of them.  I feel as confident in that statement in any statement I have ever made on this site.

Use Randolph to get an All-Star? That would be a shrewd trick from any team much less Golden State. In any case, the question assumes the report from an informed source.

I think you are really underestimating Randolph's value in the league.  While he has been in Nelson's doghouse, he is a dynamic talent, who is still incredibly young, and has star written all over him.  Teams are going to pay a premium to bring him in.

No I don't think I am. Ainge was willing to give Maggette the full MLE last season, therefore... paying both of them. What's the difference? It's 3mil a year on the same number of years. And wouldn't that price be worth it to get Randolph?

Meanwhile, Ray will sign for below market value to stay with the Cs this summer. Is he going to be a starter with the Cs until the day he retires? Of course not, unless he retires after another year or two, or we continue to have no Rondos or Perks on the horizon at the 2 or 3. If Maggette's production persists, he could be a bridge to the next window, or at the very least make it a lot easier on Ray and Paul as they advance in age.

The premium you mention is apparently taking Maggette if you buy the report I site. If you don't, you may be overestimating the negotiating skills of the worst run team in sports. The number of teams willing to take Maggette to get Randolph is likely pretty short, right? 5, 6 teams max, and the number of those that are going to give up anything more than a prospect, a late first (no rebuilding team is taking Corey), and some salary relief is.... ?

I like it on paper but would understand if Wyc isn't prepared to pull the trigger for the reason you mention. I believe our bench still needs help. Daniels cannot be counted on, and our current bench on the wing is simply not strong enough.