Would Danny trade for Maggette and Randolph?

[PosImpos]

Guys, the only way we're gonna do a big trade in which we take on a big contract with multiple years left is if Ray Allen has a season ending injury and we trade him to get a replacement.  I pray to God that doesn't happen.

[steve]

Lester Hudson coming back up so quick seems odd.  Showcase or is it because we would lose 3 players in a 3 for 2 trade?   

[2short]

Lester Hudson coming back up so quick seems odd.  Showcase or is it because we would lose 3 players in a 3 for 2 trade?   

yes, is eddie on his way out? or lester part of a trade?
OR were the c's just getting lester in game shape to give him some time on the court in nba to see how he performs

[Chris]

Lester Hudson coming back up so quick seems odd.  Showcase or is it because we would lose 3 players in a 3 for 2 trade?   

It was the plan all along.  They just sent him down to get some playing time, and it worked out that there were 3 D-League games he could play in last week, while only missing 1 game for the C's.  I think they are afraid to send him down for too long, because he is currently the 3rd PG, not to mention, as an older player, I think he is learning more from being around the veterans, than playing in the D-League.

[slamtheking]

If this question was asked before TA came back, I'd seriously consider it.  Now with TA playing like pre-injury TA and Marquis out until probably February, I'll hold onto what we have. 

As talented as Maggette is on offense, he's that lacking on defense.  Randolph, although a nice prospect, is just that--a prospect.  BBD can help this year, Randolph, not so much.

Granted having Maggette under contract after this year helps answer some bench questions for next year but at this point, I'll see how the season plays out until the trading deadline.

[ssspence]

It surprises me that folks don't see Maggette as a major upgrade off the bench -- right now. His defense is a function of the team he plays on, it would improve immediately in a chamionship atmosphere, particularly in the Cs help system. So many seem inclined to trade for the likes of Nocioni -- but not Maggette?

Meanwhile, Randolph has played well in limited minutes. Yes, he's inconsistant, but so is TA and now folks don't wanna give him up after a couple of hustle plays? Randolph can play spot minutes with Garnett or Perk now (it's not even January). The idea of him on the weak side next to Perk would give teams absolutely nightmares. He has the potential in the immediate term to be a defensive monster. If you prefer more of a post defender off the bench, Williams can provide that.

The willingness to bank on TA and or Daniels alone suggests contentment that we have the best team in basketball and we're therefore going to win a championship regardless. It's worth reminding those with the 'ain't broke, don't fix it' mindset about last year. Could we have won a championship with 1 or 2 more high quality NBA players? Injuries happen and the best prepared teams tend to prevail. The Lakers are deeper. The Magic are deeper. There's very little wrong with depth, and the Cs depth remains questionable. Are we going to go all in with Tony Allen or Scal in the playoffs? Could they do the job? Maybe -- I'd rather not count on it.

[scoop]

Maggette would improve as much defensively as POB did. His defensive deficiencies would be masqueraded, but they wouldn't disappear - and they'd bring the overall defensive quality of the team down.

I have no doubts about Randolph's massive upside - excellent athleticism, good rebounder, natural instincts. However, I have serious doubts about his ability to fulfil it. I don't know if the Warriors are really shopping him, but generally Nelson doesn't make many mistakes when it comes to evaluate players.

I have no doubts about Maggette's ability to fill stat lines in a consistent basis. However, I have serious doubts that he actually delivers wins while doing so - especially for a team like the Celtics. He's too much of a ball stopper, too self-absorbed and selfish. He takes his teammates out of the game. Do you really want Maggette as your go to guy whenever he's on the floor during the playoffs, when Pierce, Ray, Garnett and Rondo will all be playing close to 40 minutes per game? Because that's the only way Maggette knows how to play. One other thing I have no doubts about: Maggette is severely overpaid for what he produces.

None of the teams is doing this deal. 

[steve]

You can only ride the Tony Allen wave for so long until it breaks.  

I think Baby is in the doghouse anyway.  He was mad that he didn't get paid.  He was complaining about minutes before the season started.  And he got into a fight that broke his finger.  

He's gone.  Either for Maggette or Robinson.    

[ssspence]

Maggette would improve as much defensively as POB did. His defensive deficiencies would be masqueraded, but they wouldn't disappear - and they'd bring the overall defensive quality of the team down.

I have no doubts about Randolph's massive upside - excellent athleticism, good rebounder, natural instincts. However, I have serious doubts about his ability to fulfil it. I don't know if the Warriors are really shopping him, but generally Nelson doesn't make many mistakes when it comes to evaluate players.

I have no doubts about Maggette's ability to fill stat lines in a consistent basis. However, I have serious doubts that he actually delivers wins while doing so - especially for a team like the Celtics. He's too much of a ball stopper, too self-absorbed and selfish. He takes his teammates out of the game. Do you really want Maggette as your go to guy whenever he's on the floor during the playoffs, when Pierce, Ray, Garnett and Rondo will all be playing close to 40 minutes per game? Because that's the only way Maggette knows how to play. One other thing I have no doubts about: Maggette is severely overpaid for what he produces.

None of the teams is doing this deal. 

No one passes the ball in Golden State -- everyone chucks. TA's a distributor who sees the floor well? Did Eddie House ever pass before coming to Boston? And Maggette is capable of playing considerably better D. Look what playing for this team has done for the defense of Ray Allen and Paul Pierce. Yes, he's a scorer, but based on your POB comparison (huh?) I take it you don't like the player considering his year in GS. Would he have interested you coming out of LA?

His ability to get to the hole must be respected, and with Eddie and Rasheed waiting outside spacing should be excellent. Who in the league mirrors Pierce's game better than Maggette? As for being overpaid, making less than $9mil to average 17 and 6 (with 6 of 7 from the line every night) in 26 minutes is not overpaid in the NBA any way you slice it. Pierce's numbers are essentially the same in 10 more minutes a game.

The length of his contract is an issue, but A) gettting Randolph makes up for that, and B) assuming the Cs are going to re-sign Ray and Paul (i think either player being renounced is far fetched), the Celtics are not going to have cap space until the end of Maggette's deal anyway. They should use their expiring deals to add a wing player this year. 
 

[scoop]

Maggette would improve as much defensively as POB did. His defensive deficiencies would be masqueraded, but they wouldn't disappear - and they'd bring the overall defensive quality of the team down.

I have no doubts about Randolph's massive upside - excellent athleticism, good rebounder, natural instincts. However, I have serious doubts about his ability to fulfil it. I don't know if the Warriors are really shopping him, but generally Nelson doesn't make many mistakes when it comes to evaluate players.

I have no doubts about Maggette's ability to fill stat lines in a consistent basis. However, I have serious doubts that he actually delivers wins while doing so - especially for a team like the Celtics. He's too much of a ball stopper, too self-absorbed and selfish. He takes his teammates out of the game. Do you really want Maggette as your go to guy whenever he's on the floor during the playoffs, when Pierce, Ray, Garnett and Rondo will all be playing close to 40 minutes per game? Because that's the only way Maggette knows how to play. One other thing I have no doubts about: Maggette is severely overpaid for what he produces.

None of the teams is doing this deal. 

No one passes the ball in Golden State -- everyone chucks. TA's a distributor who sees the floor well? Did Eddie House ever pass before coming to Boston? And Maggette is capable of playing considerably better D. Look what playing for this team has done for the defense of Ray Allen and Paul Pierce. Yes, he's a scorer, but based on your POB comparison (huh?) I take it you don't like the player considering his year in GS. Would he have interested you coming out of LA?

His ability to get to the hole must be respected, and with Eddie and Rasheed waiting outside spacing should be excellent. Who in the league mirrors Pierce's game better than Maggette? As for being overpaid, making less than $9mil to average 17 and 6 (with 6 of 7 from the line every night) in 26 minutes is not overpaid in the NBA any way you slice it. Pierce's numbers are essentially the same in 10 more minutes a game.

The length of his contract is an issue, but A) gettting Randolph makes up for that, and B) assuming the Cs are going to re-sign Ray and Paul (i think either player being renounced is far fetched), the Celtics are not going to have cap space until the end of Maggette's deal anyway. They should use their expiring deals to add a wing player this year.

No, he didn't interest me coming off LA either, I thought Ainge dodged a bullet there. He plays in Oakland the same way he played in Orlando and Los Angeles, it has nothing to do with the team or system.

I've said Maggette's statistical production is always solid. That's not the issue. The problem is how he gets his numbers.

Ray Allen was a solid defender and Paul Pierce was an above average one at some points of their careers before this team. "Teams" do very little for a player's defense, it works the other way around. The Celtics last season were the best defensive team in the league until Garnett went down; after that they were an average one. Good defenders -> good defensive team; bad defenders -> bad defensive team. Replace Daniels/Tony Allen with Maggette and this team would still be a very good defensive team but a little worse.

Maggette's game is drawing fouls. He's very good at it, but in the process he brings an awful lot of stagnancy to his team offence. And you didn't address the main issue: how would Maggette help a team where he'd be the 4th offensive option on the floor (playoffs)?

[scoop]

I've said Maggette's statistical production is always solid. That's not the issue. The problem is how he gets his numbers.

And don't take my word for it:


http://www.hoopsvibe.com/nba/nba-news/kevin-garnett-calls-corey-maggette-out-as-ballhog-ar49594.html

Kevin Garnett Calls Corey Maggette Out as Ballhog
 
12.4.2008 - Updated on 12.4.2008
Five games, five Golden State losses and a more than 2:1 turnover-to-assist ratio. Maggette’s selfish play hasn’t gone unnoticed by other players. According to sources, after the final buzzer against Boston, Celtics forward Kevin Garnett turned to Maggette and shouted, "Way to get your numbers."

"He just puts his head down and goes to the basket," an Eastern Conference scout said. "He doesn’t even look to pass."


http://lakers.freedomblogging.com/2008/12/04/maggettes-style-already-an-irritant/5884/

Elton Brand was so determined not to have a personal friendship ruined with Maggette (the two have been close since they attended Duke together), that Brand did not want to play another year with Maggette, having decided that seven years with the Clippers was enough.

[Cman]

You can only ride the Tony Allen wave for so long until it breaks. 

I think Baby is in the doghouse anyway.  He was mad that he didn't get paid.  He was complaining about minutes before the season started.  And he got into a fight that broke his finger. 

He's gone.  Either for Maggette or Robinson.   

BBD is not so easy to trade -- isnt he BYC? 
New York won't take him bc NY is trying to maintain its room under the salary cap next season.

Oh, and I wouldn't touch Maggette, even if it means getting Randolph.

[badax33]

I have to agree with many of the comments.  I actually tried to post this topic but something in the electons failed.  My idea was Scal, TA and Eddie for CM and AR (5335201 RealGM Tradechecker).

My thinking was that GS is trying to dump Magette and include Randolph here were the positives:
1.  Maggette gives us a big win for PP and Ray.
2.  AR gives us a young guy to begin our rebuilding project.  GS did that once before Kevin McHale and Robert  Parish for Joe Barry Carrol and Ricky Brown.

I realize there are a lot of negatives about Maggette and even Randolph, but we have some Cops on this team - KG, PP, Ray Perk and Doc.  I believe they can and would be handled.  

I look only would it make sense for us.  It's kind of like the Gasol trade to LA, some people thought he was too soft and wouldn't help them that much.  Could this be a similar deal.  I don't know and can understand anyone who feels it might hurt the team rather than make it better.

[ssspence]

I've said Maggette's statistical production is always solid. That's not the issue. The problem is how he gets his numbers.

And don't take my word for it:


http://www.hoopsvibe.com/nba/nba-news/kevin-garnett-calls-corey-maggette-out-as-ballhog-ar49594.html

Kevin Garnett Calls Corey Maggette Out as Ballhog
 
12.4.2008 - Updated on 12.4.2008
Five games, five Golden State losses and a more than 2:1 turnover-to-assist ratio. Maggette’s selfish play hasn’t gone unnoticed by other players. According to sources, after the final buzzer against Boston, Celtics forward Kevin Garnett turned to Maggette and shouted, "Way to get your numbers."

"He just puts his head down and goes to the basket," an Eastern Conference scout said. "He doesn’t even look to pass."


http://lakers.freedomblogging.com/2008/12/04/maggettes-style-already-an-irritant/5884/

Elton Brand was so determined not to have a personal friendship ruined with Maggette (the two have been close since they attended Duke together), that Brand did not want to play another year with Maggette, having decided that seven years with the Clippers was enough.

Well, KG talks junk to everyone, and to suggest that Brand went to Philly to escape Maggette is ridiculous --- but I hear your concerns clearly. I'd like to think he could be a good team player in the right setting, but I acknowledge his reputation as a ballhog.

[James Haley]

didnt we try to get Maggette this off season or last, Danny would take this trade cause it makes since, but we would have to give up Perk? since wallace can play center we would be good for the playoffs and draft a big man next year.