Trade idea: BOS/POR/SAC

[nickagneta]

No thanks. You fail to understand that Bayless is actually probably the least available PG on the Portland roster, so i'll pass on your lessons regarding talent evaluation.

And how many points he scored in one gameis beside the point. Look at his minutes over the last 6, 7 games. Pritchard is forcing Nate to play him because Bayless warned him he'd ask for a trade without a larger opportunity, and Pritchard has no desire to trade him. They're not giving him up for a role player when they haven't even played him 30 minutes in a game yet.

Or Pritchard is forcing McMillan to showcase him to increase his trade value.

Or he's just getting forced into minutes because Portland has been gutted by injuries... A la Bill Walker last year.

Negative. Miller only played 18 minutes last night at the same position, so I'm not sure it applies to their PGs.

Unless they get a very attractive offer for either Miller or Bayless, Portland is going to trade Steve Blake for a bench 3 or 4. Roy's tendancy to lean on him so he can handle the ball more has been counter-productive, and they'd be wise to remove that option altogether.

He's still playing over 30 mins a game. That's too much for Blake.

Miller played 18 minutes last night because he got elbowed in the face and got hurt. He came back in the second half but was being ineffective and it looked like he was still being effected by the shot in the face so he was benched for most of the second half.

Bayless had a career night. But Blake and Miller are far ahead of him on the depth chart and the only reason he's getting PT is because of overall team health. Right now if Pritchard could trade him for a quality 4/5, which is what he really wanted to spend his money on last off season, he would.

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No thanks. You fail to understand that Bayless is actually probably the least available PG on the Portland roster, so i'll pass on your lessons regarding talent evaluation.

And how many points he scored in one gameis beside the point. Look at his minutes over the last 6, 7 games. Pritchard is forcing Nate to play him because Bayless warned him he'd ask for a trade without a larger opportunity, and Pritchard has no desire to trade him. They're not giving him up for a role player when they haven't even played him 30 minutes in a game yet.

Or Pritchard is forcing McMillan to showcase him to increase his trade value.

Or he's just getting forced into minutes because Portland has been gutted by injuries... A la Bill Walker last year.

Negative. Miller only played 18 minutes last night at the same position, so I'm not sure it applies to their PGs.

Unless they get a very attractive offer for either Miller or Bayless, Portland is going to trade Steve Blake for a bench 3 or 4. Roy's tendancy to lean on him so he can handle the ball more has been counter-productive, and they'd be wise to remove that option altogether.

He's still playing over 30 mins a game. That's too much for Blake.

Miller played 18 minutes last night because he got elbowed in the face and got hurt. He came back in the second half but was being ineffective and it looked like he was still being effected by the shot in the face so he was benched for most of the second half.

Bayless had a career night. But Blake and Miller are far ahead of him on the depth chart and the only reason he's getting PT is because of overall team health. Right now if Pritchard could trade him for a quality 4/5, which is what he really wanted to spend his money on last off season, he would.

You seem attached to this idea that Miller and Blake are "far" ahead of Bayless on the depth chart. And you're not right.

Clearly, they have not found a PG rotation that's worked well for them considering Blake's mediocre play and Miller's inability to shoot and therefore play off Roy. Bayless is getting his chance and doing well with it. Brian Smith seems to agree:

http://www.columbian.com/news/2009/dec/17/blazers-overcome-suns/

“Me and Brandon talk about it a lot,” Bayless said. “We feel like he’s the LeBron (James) and I can be the Mo Williams off him.”

Doesn't sound like a guy who is far behind anyone at the moment...

[Atzar]

Yeah, it sounds like he has faith in his own abilities.  Go ask J.R if he can contribute, he'll give you an answer which is effectively the same.  Has no bearing on his place on the depth chart... But rather just says he's confident.

[nickagneta]

No thanks. You fail to understand that Bayless is actually probably the least available PG on the Portland roster, so i'll pass on your lessons regarding talent evaluation.

And how many points he scored in one gameis beside the point. Look at his minutes over the last 6, 7 games. Pritchard is forcing Nate to play him because Bayless warned him he'd ask for a trade without a larger opportunity, and Pritchard has no desire to trade him. They're not giving him up for a role player when they haven't even played him 30 minutes in a game yet.

Or Pritchard is forcing McMillan to showcase him to increase his trade value.

Or he's just getting forced into minutes because Portland has been gutted by injuries... A la Bill Walker last year.

Negative. Miller only played 18 minutes last night at the same position, so I'm not sure it applies to their PGs.

Unless they get a very attractive offer for either Miller or Bayless, Portland is going to trade Steve Blake for a bench 3 or 4. Roy's tendancy to lean on him so he can handle the ball more has been counter-productive, and they'd be wise to remove that option altogether.

He's still playing over 30 mins a game. That's too much for Blake.

Miller played 18 minutes last night because he got elbowed in the face and got hurt. He came back in the second half but was being ineffective and it looked like he was still being effected by the shot in the face so he was benched for most of the second half.

Bayless had a career night. But Blake and Miller are far ahead of him on the depth chart and the only reason he's getting PT is because of overall team health. Right now if Pritchard could trade him for a quality 4/5, which is what he really wanted to spend his money on last off season, he would.

You seem attached to this idea that Miller and Blake are "far" ahead of Bayless on the depth chart. And you're not right.

Clearly, they have not found a PG rotation that's worked well for them considering Blake's mediocre play and Miller's inability to shoot and therefore play off Roy. Bayless is getting his chance and doing well with it. Brian Smith doesn't think so:

http://www.columbian.com/news/2009/dec/17/blazers-overcome-suns/

“Me and Brandon talk about it a lot,” Bayless said. “We feel like he’s the LeBron (James) and I can be the Mo Williams off him.”

Doesn't sound like a guy who is far behind anyone at the moment...

And I've heard Rajon Rondo say all sorts of good things about Lester Hudson. Does that mean that Hudson is ahead of Eddie House on the depth chart? I didn't know Brandon Roy and Jerred Bayless were the ones running the Trailblazers. I guess Nate McMillan can just go home and rehab his Achille's injury because Roy and Bayless have decided who's going to be playing in the Blazers backcourt.

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No thanks. You fail to understand that Bayless is actually probably the least available PG on the Portland roster, so i'll pass on your lessons regarding talent evaluation.

And how many points he scored in one gameis beside the point. Look at his minutes over the last 6, 7 games. Pritchard is forcing Nate to play him because Bayless warned him he'd ask for a trade without a larger opportunity, and Pritchard has no desire to trade him. They're not giving him up for a role player when they haven't even played him 30 minutes in a game yet.

Or Pritchard is forcing McMillan to showcase him to increase his trade value.

Or he's just getting forced into minutes because Portland has been gutted by injuries... A la Bill Walker last year.

Negative. Miller only played 18 minutes last night at the same position, so I'm not sure it applies to their PGs.

Unless they get a very attractive offer for either Miller or Bayless, Portland is going to trade Steve Blake for a bench 3 or 4. Roy's tendancy to lean on him so he can handle the ball more has been counter-productive, and they'd be wise to remove that option altogether.

He's still playing over 30 mins a game. That's too much for Blake.

Miller played 18 minutes last night because he got elbowed in the face and got hurt. He came back in the second half but was being ineffective and it looked like he was still being effected by the shot in the face so he was benched for most of the second half.

Bayless had a career night. But Blake and Miller are far ahead of him on the depth chart and the only reason he's getting PT is because of overall team health. Right now if Pritchard could trade him for a quality 4/5, which is what he really wanted to spend his money on last off season, he would.

You seem attached to this idea that Miller and Blake are "far" ahead of Bayless on the depth chart. And you're not right.

Clearly, they have not found a PG rotation that's worked well for them considering Blake's mediocre play and Miller's inability to shoot and therefore play off Roy. Bayless is getting his chance and doing well with it. Brian Smith doesn't think so:

http://www.columbian.com/news/2009/dec/17/blazers-overcome-suns/

“Me and Brandon talk about it a lot,” Bayless said. “We feel like he’s the LeBron (James) and I can be the Mo Williams off him.”

Doesn't sound like a guy who is far behind anyone at the moment...

And I've heard Rajon Rondo say all sorts of good things about Lester Hudson. Does that mean that Hudson is ahead of Eddie House on the depth chart? I didn't know Brandon Roy and Jerred Bayless were the ones running the Trailblazers. I guess Nate McMillan can just go home and rehab his Achille's injury because Roy and Bayless have decided who's going to be playing in the Blazers backcourt.

So now Bayless is Lester Hudson? The article about how his time has finally come with the Blazers is the equivalent of Rondo saying he thinks Lester is pretty good, and therefore means that Bayless is miles behind Steve Blake on the depth chart? This discussion is totally pointless. Next.

[nickagneta]

No thanks. You fail to understand that Bayless is actually probably the least available PG on the Portland roster, so i'll pass on your lessons regarding talent evaluation.

And how many points he scored in one gameis beside the point. Look at his minutes over the last 6, 7 games. Pritchard is forcing Nate to play him because Bayless warned him he'd ask for a trade without a larger opportunity, and Pritchard has no desire to trade him. They're not giving him up for a role player when they haven't even played him 30 minutes in a game yet.

Or Pritchard is forcing McMillan to showcase him to increase his trade value.

Or he's just getting forced into minutes because Portland has been gutted by injuries... A la Bill Walker last year.

Negative. Miller only played 18 minutes last night at the same position, so I'm not sure it applies to their PGs.

Unless they get a very attractive offer for either Miller or Bayless, Portland is going to trade Steve Blake for a bench 3 or 4. Roy's tendancy to lean on him so he can handle the ball more has been counter-productive, and they'd be wise to remove that option altogether.

He's still playing over 30 mins a game. That's too much for Blake.

Miller played 18 minutes last night because he got elbowed in the face and got hurt. He came back in the second half but was being ineffective and it looked like he was still being effected by the shot in the face so he was benched for most of the second half.

Bayless had a career night. But Blake and Miller are far ahead of him on the depth chart and the only reason he's getting PT is because of overall team health. Right now if Pritchard could trade him for a quality 4/5, which is what he really wanted to spend his money on last off season, he would.

You seem attached to this idea that Miller and Blake are "far" ahead of Bayless on the depth chart. And you're not right.

Clearly, they have not found a PG rotation that's worked well for them considering Blake's mediocre play and Miller's inability to shoot and therefore play off Roy. Bayless is getting his chance and doing well with it. Brian Smith doesn't think so:

http://www.columbian.com/news/2009/dec/17/blazers-overcome-suns/

“Me and Brandon talk about it a lot,” Bayless said. “We feel like he’s the LeBron (James) and I can be the Mo Williams off him.”

Doesn't sound like a guy who is far behind anyone at the moment...

And I've heard Rajon Rondo say all sorts of good things about Lester Hudson. Does that mean that Hudson is ahead of Eddie House on the depth chart? I didn't know Brandon Roy and Jerred Bayless were the ones running the Trailblazers. I guess Nate McMillan can just go home and rehab his Achille's injury because Roy and Bayless have decided who's going to be playing in the Blazers backcourt.

So now Bayless is Lester Hudson? The article about how his time has finally come with the Blazers is the equivalent of Rondo saying he thinks Lester is pretty good, and therefore means that Bayless is miles behind Steve Blake on the depth chart? This discussion is totally pointless. Next.

Couldn't agree more. Let's talk further when Bayless isn't being referred to as a third string point guard in newspaper and internet articles across the country and web. Then maybe your assertions will make sense.

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No thanks. You fail to understand that Bayless is actually probably the least available PG on the Portland roster, so i'll pass on your lessons regarding talent evaluation.

And how many points he scored in one gameis beside the point. Look at his minutes over the last 6, 7 games. Pritchard is forcing Nate to play him because Bayless warned him he'd ask for a trade without a larger opportunity, and Pritchard has no desire to trade him. They're not giving him up for a role player when they haven't even played him 30 minutes in a game yet.

Or Pritchard is forcing McMillan to showcase him to increase his trade value.

Or he's just getting forced into minutes because Portland has been gutted by injuries... A la Bill Walker last year.

Negative. Miller only played 18 minutes last night at the same position, so I'm not sure it applies to their PGs.

Unless they get a very attractive offer for either Miller or Bayless, Portland is going to trade Steve Blake for a bench 3 or 4. Roy's tendancy to lean on him so he can handle the ball more has been counter-productive, and they'd be wise to remove that option altogether.

He's still playing over 30 mins a game. That's too much for Blake.

Miller played 18 minutes last night because he got elbowed in the face and got hurt. He came back in the second half but was being ineffective and it looked like he was still being effected by the shot in the face so he was benched for most of the second half.

Bayless had a career night. But Blake and Miller are far ahead of him on the depth chart and the only reason he's getting PT is because of overall team health. Right now if Pritchard could trade him for a quality 4/5, which is what he really wanted to spend his money on last off season, he would.

You seem attached to this idea that Miller and Blake are "far" ahead of Bayless on the depth chart. And you're not right.

Clearly, they have not found a PG rotation that's worked well for them considering Blake's mediocre play and Miller's inability to shoot and therefore play off Roy. Bayless is getting his chance and doing well with it. Brian Smith doesn't think so:

http://www.columbian.com/news/2009/dec/17/blazers-overcome-suns/

“Me and Brandon talk about it a lot,” Bayless said. “We feel like he’s the LeBron (James) and I can be the Mo Williams off him.”

Doesn't sound like a guy who is far behind anyone at the moment...

And I've heard Rajon Rondo say all sorts of good things about Lester Hudson. Does that mean that Hudson is ahead of Eddie House on the depth chart? I didn't know Brandon Roy and Jerred Bayless were the ones running the Trailblazers. I guess Nate McMillan can just go home and rehab his Achille's injury because Roy and Bayless have decided who's going to be playing in the Blazers backcourt.

So now Bayless is Lester Hudson? The article about how his time has finally come with the Blazers is the equivalent of Rondo saying he thinks Lester is pretty good, and therefore means that Bayless is miles behind Steve Blake on the depth chart? This discussion is totally pointless. Next.

Couldn't agree more. Let's talk further when Bayless isn't being referred to as a third string point guard in newspaper and internet articles across the country and web. Then maybe your assertions will make sense.

Can you actually produce some of these articles? Any that have been written recently? Because I keep giving you facts and you keep giving me sarcasm and conjecture. I don't see why we would talk about this further until you can produce something more than myth.

Here's another article about how Portland wants to keep Bayless for you:

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/11554/blake-could-be-the-blazer-guard-whos-dealt

[Atzar]

The sarcasm is because your arguments don't match up with your points.  You tried to say that Bayless isn't a third-string PG by giving us a quote about how Bayless thinks he can contribute to the team.  I'm glad he feels that way, but it doesn't make him more than what he is - a third-string PG at this point.

Nickagneta gave you an analogy of what you did - Rondo praised Lester's game, but it doesn't make him any more than a third-string PG.  You decided that he was saying Bayless=Hudson, which is nowhere close to his actual point.  It's hard to have a good debate with you if you're going to twist words to make them say what you want them to say, and not what they're actually saying.

[nickagneta]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=291217022

PORTLAND, Ore. -- The injury-plagued Portland Trail Blazers received a boost from an unlikely source: third string point guard Jerryd Bayless.

http://www.examiner.com/x-24705-Portland-Trail-Blazers-Examiner~y2009m12d8-Portland-trade-rumors-Jerryd-Bayless-Greg-Oden

Multiple sources have indicated that 3rd string point guard Jerryd Bayless wants out of Portland. Bayless expected to become Portland's backup at the point this season, but the addition of Andre Miller and Nate McMillan's continued backing of starter Steve Blake have banished Jerryd to mop-up duty.

http://www.dwightjaynes.com/does-jerryd-bayless-want-out-of-here

Multiple sources in the NBA have told me that Jerryd Bayless seems to be the most available player on Portland’s roster. A couple of sources indicated over the weekend that Bayless has asked the team to trade him, because of his lack of playing time. I wouldn’t blame him — young players want, and need, to play. And if he wants out, the team should try to accommodate him.

Bayless has begun to see more action lately, but you have to wonder — is that being done to help teams get a better look at him? A showcase? I mean, how can you ask a lot for Bayless when he’s not even playing significant minutes for you? If I’m sitting in another NBA office and the Trail Blazers are asking me if I want Bayless, I’m going to have to answer, “Why would I want somebody you don’t think is good enough to play for you guys?”

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/139085/rss

This injury doesn't seem like a major concern for Miller, and neither is Bayless, quite frankly. Miller is the better distributor, so he'll get his minutes. He'll continue to get less than his usual numbers, though, since the Blazers run their offense through SG Brandon Roy.

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_13745196

It's an easy night for Portland when third-string point guard Jerryd Bayless, here trying to pass against Damien Wilkins, gets 18 minutes of playing time.

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/shaun_powell/12/18/insider/?ls=iref:nbahpt1

•Jerryd Bayless, who's technically the third-string point guard, came up big against the Suns on Thursday night, getting 29 points in the Blazers' comeback win. Just something else for Andre Miller to deal with in his decision to sign with Portland last summer.

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The sarcasm is because your arguments don't match up with your points.  You tried to say that Bayless isn't a third-string PG by giving us a quote about how Bayless thinks he can contribute to the team.  I'm glad he feels that way, but it doesn't make him more than what he is - a third-string PG at this point.

Nickagneta gave you an analogy of what you did - Rondo praised Lester's game, but it doesn't make him any more than a third-string PG.  You decided that he was saying Bayless=Hudson, which is nowhere close to his actual point.  It's hard to have a good debate with you if you're going to twist words to make them say what you want them to say, and not what they're actually saying.

I posted an article about how Bayless' time has come with the Blazers. As part of that article, I pointed out the teams best player has been speaking with him about an (obvious) increased role. That really has little to do with the fact that Rondo likes going against Lester Hudson in practice.

If you'd like to discuss the larger point here -- Bayless' value to the Blazers, and whether they'd trade Baby for him -- I'm all ears. If you want to tell me he's no good because if you asked JR Giddens if he's good he's say yes also, I'll call that what it is: sophomoric.

You wanna go on record with Nick here, and say that the Blazers would jump at the opportunity to trade their highly talented young PG whose been starting to light it up for a guy who they expressed zero interest in this offseason despite their very clear interest in guys who play his position (Millsap, Lee), and since broke his hand punching his buddy leaving him yet to play a game this year? That's some tasty Kool-Aid!

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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=291217022

PORTLAND, Ore. -- The injury-plagued Portland Trail Blazers received a boost from an unlikely source: third string point guard Jerryd Bayless.

http://www.examiner.com/x-24705-Portland-Trail-Blazers-Examiner~y2009m12d8-Portland-trade-rumors-Jerryd-Bayless-Greg-Oden

Multiple sources have indicated that 3rd string point guard Jerryd Bayless wants out of Portland. Bayless expected to become Portland's backup at the point this season, but the addition of Andre Miller and Nate McMillan's continued backing of starter Steve Blake have banished Jerryd to mop-up duty.

http://www.dwightjaynes.com/does-jerryd-bayless-want-out-of-here

Multiple sources in the NBA have told me that Jerryd Bayless seems to be the most available player on Portland’s roster. A couple of sources indicated over the weekend that Bayless has asked the team to trade him, because of his lack of playing time. I wouldn’t blame him — young players want, and need, to play. And if he wants out, the team should try to accommodate him.

Bayless has begun to see more action lately, but you have to wonder — is that being done to help teams get a better look at him? A showcase? I mean, how can you ask a lot for Bayless when he’s not even playing significant minutes for you? If I’m sitting in another NBA office and the Trail Blazers are asking me if I want Bayless, I’m going to have to answer, “Why would I want somebody you don’t think is good enough to play for you guys?”

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/139085/rss

This injury doesn't seem like a major concern for Miller, and neither is Bayless, quite frankly. Miller is the better distributor, so he'll get his minutes. He'll continue to get less than his usual numbers, though, since the Blazers run their offense through SG Brandon Roy.

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_13745196

It's an easy night for Portland when third-string point guard Jerryd Bayless, here trying to pass against Damien Wilkins, gets 18 minutes of playing time.

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/shaun_powell/12/18/insider/?ls=iref:nbahpt1

•Jerryd Bayless, who's technically the third-string point guard, came up big against the Suns on Thursday night, getting 29 points in the Blazers' comeback win. Just something else for Andre Miller to deal with in his decision to sign with Portland last summer.

ha, i love the "technically" part, like it's part of his job description.

good stuff, but these articles talk about either a) how he wants more minutes or he wants out, or b) how he's since been getting them and coming up big. so are you agreeing that he's NOT actually their third strong PG any more (20mins a game over his last 7)? he played with blake for much of last night, so wherever it is their playing him -- they're playing him.

[Atzar]

Hahaha... you're doing it again.  I didn't say that, because Bayless thinks he good, he's therefore no good.  I said that, just because Bayless thinks he's good, doesn't make him more than what he is - a third-string PG.

Good players are supposed to hype their teammates.  KG did it with Darius Miles and Bill Walker last year, Lester this year... just like Roy is doing with Bayless.  It's just talk.

No, I would not trade Baby straight up for Bayless.  Davis has had many very solid games and has been a part of the rotation for a year+ before he hurt his hand.  Bayless is only getting burn now because the Blazers barely have five bodies to put on the court at a time.  Davis is clearly a better player now, and I'm not convinced that Bayless's potential is higher than Davis's either.

[nickagneta]

http://www.sport--book.com/blog/nets_looking_at_big_baby.html

Although is no Lamar Odom or Drew Gooden the following teams are interested in Big Baby: Detroit Pistons, New Orleans Hornets, Portland Trailblazers and the New Jersey Nets.

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2009/07/22/net_gain_new_jersey_interested_in_davis/

Other possible suitors for Davis include the Pistons, Hornets, and Trail Blazers.

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Hahaha... you're doing it again.  I didn't say that, because Bayless thinks he good, he's therefore no good.  I said that, just because Bayless thinks he's good, doesn't make him more than what he is - a third-string PG.

Good players are supposed to hype their teammates.  KG did it with Darius Miles and Bill Walker last year, Lester this year... just like Roy is doing with Bayless.  It's just talk.

No, I would not trade Baby straight up for Bayless.  Davis has had many very solid games and has been a part of the rotation for a year+ before he hurt his hand.  Bayless is only getting burn now because the Blazers barely have five bodies to put on the court at a time.  Davis is clearly a better player now, and I'm not convinced that Bayless's potential is higher than Davis's either.

Davis is the better player now? One guy is playing, one guy isn't. Let's hope the one who isn't picks up where he left off last year.

So you're happy and Portland is happy. Moving on...

[Fafnir]

Bayless plays the third least minutes on the entire team over the course of the season. Only Juwan Howard and Dante Cunningham have played less per game.