Trade idea: BOS/POR/SAC

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Just read this article on Steve Blake this morning on ESPN Insider:

"There has been talk that Andre Miller doesn't fit with the Blazers and that he could be dealt, however, ESPN.com's Chad Ford writes that Steve Blake is the one most likely to be traded.

Ford writes: "Two general managers told me they've called the Blazers to inquire about Miller's availability and been told that Miller isn't available right now. Rather, those two GMs have reason to believe that Portland GM Kevin Pritichard is shopping Blake. Why Blake? One reason is that he's struggled to get the offense going smoothly ... Two, Blake is easier to move and may have more trade value. ... Three, in the opinion of one GM, the Blazers won't be quick to give up on Miller.""

Considering the resistance to Bayless on this thread, it led me to consider a variation to my trade idea that is also likely to be more palatable to the Blazers.

Boston trades:

Baby (to Portland)
Walker (to Portland)
Scal (to SAC)
TA (to Phila)
Giddens (to Phila)
Hudson (to Phila)


Boston receives:

Webster
Blake
Outlaw


Portland trades:

Webster (to Boston)
Blake (to Boston)
Outlaw (to Boston)


Portland receives:

Baby
Nocioni
Walker

Sacramento trades:

Nocioni (to Portland)
Kenny Thomas (to Phila)

Sacramento receives:

Delambert
Brian Scalabrine
Rodney Carney
Royal Ivey

Philadelphia trades:

Delambert (to SAC)
Rodney Carney (to SAC)
Royal Ivey (to SAC)

Philadelphia receives:

Kenny Thomas
Tony Allen
Hudson
Giddens

1) I’m sure some cash changes hands in this deal, 2) Some Kool-Aid drinker is going to tell me they don’t want to lose Walker or Hudson in the deal, but both have to be in it to make the deal work while keeping our current playing unit (i.e. House, Daniels) intact. I’m sure a buyout could be arranged on Hudson, but I’d think Portland would want Walker in this deal.

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I think it's fair to say we're not going to get Bayless out of Portland for Baby....

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3417

[Fan from VT]

I think it's fair to say we're not going to get Bayless out of Portland for Baby....

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3417

yep too late. i always liked him way more than blake. more dynamic.

[nickagneta]

I think it's fair to say we're not going to get Bayless out of Portland for Baby....

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3417

My guess here is that the day after baby hit the game winner in orlando last year, teams were saying "Well, there's no way the Celtics consider ever trading Big baby.".

One game does not a total talent evaluation or trade value make.

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I think it's fair to say we're not going to get Bayless out of Portland for Baby....

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3417

My guess here is that the day after baby hit the game winner in orlando last year, teams were saying "Well, there's no way the Celtics consider ever trading Big baby.".

One game does not a total talent evaluation or trade value make.

oh ye of little faith in ur fellow poster, nick....

i didn't post one game, i posted his entire player profile which includes pretty efficient use of his somewhat slight opportunities. he's a better talent than our emotionally and vertically challenged forward.

you think portland would trade bayless for baby?

[nickagneta]

I think it's fair to say we're not going to get Bayless out of Portland for Baby....

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3417

My guess here is that the day after baby hit the game winner in orlando last year, teams were saying "Well, there's no way the Celtics consider ever trading Big baby.".

One game does not a total talent evaluation or trade value make.

oh ye of little faith in ur fellow poster, nick....

i didn't post one game, i posted his entire player profile which includes pretty efficient use of his somewhat slight opportunities. he's a better talent than our emotionally and vertically challenged forward.

you think portland would trade bayless for baby?

Yes...without a doubt. If they could, they can't due to salary cap restrictions, but if they could, they would in a second.

They have two other PGs on their roster right now who they own Bird rights to who are better players than Bayless right now. But their first big off the bench is now Juwan Howard. If they could trade bayless one up for Glen Davis right now, there is no doubt in my mind they would do it.

And I know that you posted his player profile but I also know that you did it after he had a career game. Were you posting that profile as some sort of proof of Bayless' superiority of Davis before his career game? No. But you did after his career game. You expect me to believe that's a coincidence?

The day after Baby had his career moment most would have thought he was un-tradeable for a  third string PG with potential but no game success like Bayless. But that's not how front offices evaluate players or their trade value. He had a great game. One. Other than that, Bayless has never shown he is even half the NBA talent that Davis has shown he is consistently over a season or during the largest of stages, in the playoffs.

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I think it's fair to say we're not going to get Bayless out of Portland for Baby....

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3417

My guess here is that the day after baby hit the game winner in orlando last year, teams were saying "Well, there's no way the Celtics consider ever trading Big baby.".

One game does not a total talent evaluation or trade value make.

oh ye of little faith in ur fellow poster, nick....

i didn't post one game, i posted his entire player profile which includes pretty efficient use of his somewhat slight opportunities. he's a better talent than our emotionally and vertically challenged forward.

you think portland would trade bayless for baby?

Yes...without a doubt. If they could, they can't due to salary cap restrictions, but if they could, they would in a second.

They have two other PGs on their roster right now who they own Bird rights to who are better players than Bayless right now. But their first big off the bench is now Juwan Howard. If they could trade bayless one up for Glen Davis right now, there is no doubt in my mind they would do it.

And I know that you posted his player profile but I also know that you did it after he had a career game. Were you posting that profile as some sort of proof of Bayless' superiority of Davis before his career game? No. But you did after his career game. You expect me to believe that's a coincidence?

The day after Baby had his career moment most would have thought he was un-tradeable for a  third string PG with potential but no game success like Bayless. But that's not how front offices evaluate players or their trade value. He had a great game. One. Other than that, Bayless has never shown he is even half the NBA talent that Davis has shown he is consistently over a season or during the largest of stages, in the playoffs.

Ridiculous. Put down the Kool-Aid and take 3 steps back.

[nickagneta]

I think it's fair to say we're not going to get Bayless out of Portland for Baby....

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3417

My guess here is that the day after baby hit the game winner in orlando last year, teams were saying "Well, there's no way the Celtics consider ever trading Big baby.".

One game does not a total talent evaluation or trade value make.

oh ye of little faith in ur fellow poster, nick....

i didn't post one game, i posted his entire player profile which includes pretty efficient use of his somewhat slight opportunities. he's a better talent than our emotionally and vertically challenged forward.

you think portland would trade bayless for baby?

Yes...without a doubt. If they could, they can't due to salary cap restrictions, but if they could, they would in a second.

They have two other PGs on their roster right now who they own Bird rights to who are better players than Bayless right now. But their first big off the bench is now Juwan Howard. If they could trade bayless one up for Glen Davis right now, there is no doubt in my mind they would do it.

And I know that you posted his player profile but I also know that you did it after he had a career game. Were you posting that profile as some sort of proof of Bayless' superiority of Davis before his career game? No. But you did after his career game. You expect me to believe that's a coincidence?

The day after Baby had his career moment most would have thought he was un-tradeable for a  third string PG with potential but no game success like Bayless. But that's not how front offices evaluate players or their trade value. He had a great game. One. Other than that, Bayless has never shown he is even half the NBA talent that Davis has shown he is consistently over a season or during the largest of stages, in the playoffs.

Ridiculous. Put down the Kool-Aid and take 3 steps back.

Really...explain this to me.

[slamtheking]

Just read this article on Steve Blake this morning on ESPN Insider:

"There has been talk that Andre Miller doesn't fit with the Blazers and that he could be dealt, however, ESPN.com's Chad Ford writes that Steve Blake is the one most likely to be traded.

Ford writes: "Two general managers told me they've called the Blazers to inquire about Miller's availability and been told that Miller isn't available right now. Rather, those two GMs have reason to believe that Portland GM Kevin Pritichard is shopping Blake. Why Blake? One reason is that he's struggled to get the offense going smoothly ... Two, Blake is easier to move and may have more trade value. ... Three, in the opinion of one GM, the Blazers won't be quick to give up on Miller.""

Considering the resistance to Bayless on this thread, it led me to consider a variation to my trade idea that is also likely to be more palatable to the Blazers.

Boston trades:

Baby (to Portland)
Walker (to Portland)
Scal (to SAC)
TA (to Phila)
Giddens (to Phila)
Hudson (to Phila)


Boston receives:

Webster
Blake
Outlaw


Portland trades:

Webster (to Boston)
Blake (to Boston)
Outlaw (to Boston)


Portland receives:

Baby
Nocioni
Walker

Sacramento trades:

Nocioni (to Portland)
Kenny Thomas (to Phila)

Sacramento receives:

Delambert
Brian Scalabrine
Rodney Carney
Royal Ivey

Philadelphia trades:

Delambert (to SAC)
Rodney Carney (to SAC)
Royal Ivey (to SAC)

Philadelphia receives:

Kenny Thomas
Tony Allen
Hudson
Giddens

1) I’m sure some cash changes hands in this deal, 2) Some Kool-Aid drinker is going to tell me they don’t want to lose Walker or Hudson in the deal, but both have to be in it to make the deal work while keeping our current playing unit (i.e. House, Daniels) intact. I’m sure a buyout could be arranged on Hudson, but I’d think Portland would want Walker in this deal.

New deal so let's start fresh from our Bayless debate.

I prefer Blake over Bayless even with the concerns Blake may not have been getting Portland's offense going-->willing to give him the benefit of the doubt based on previous performance.  That's a positive.

I'm not against the deal conceptually since you're bringing in (on paper) players that fill holes the C's have on the bench for players that are on the fringe of the rotation (except BBD who has yet to play).  The talent exchange is a positive. 

The concern is that with Daniels injured and Outlaw out, who's left to back up Ray and PP on the roster?  Webster can back up PP but who's backing up Ray?  If this deal were made after Daniels gets back and he's good to go AND they can extend Outlaw for another 2-3 years, I'm fine with this. 

The deal is very good for Portland and good for Philly but Sac gets a tad hosed with Dalembert's contract.  Not sure what's in it for them.  Might need picks or $ to swing it for them.

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No thanks. You fail to understand that Bayless is actually probably the least available PG on the Portland roster, so i'll pass on your lessons regarding talent evaluation.

And how many points he scored in one gameis beside the point. Look at his minutes over the last 6, 7 games. Pritchard is forcing Nate to play him because Bayless warned him he'd ask for a trade without a larger opportunity, and Pritchard has no desire to trade him. They're not giving him up for a role player when they haven't even played him 30 minutes in a game yet.

[nickagneta]

No thanks. You fail to understand that Bayless is actually probably the least available PG on the Portland roster, so i'll pass on your lessons regarding talent evaluation.

And how many points he scored in one gameis beside the point. Look at his minutes over the last 6, 7 games. Pritchard is forcing Nate to play him because Bayless warned him he'd ask for a trade without a larger opportunity, and Pritchard has no desire to trade him. They're not giving him up for a role player when they haven't even played him 30 minutes in a game yet.

Or Pritchard is forcing McMillan to showcase him to increase his trade value.

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No thanks. You fail to understand that Bayless is actually probably the least available PG on the Portland roster, so i'll pass on your lessons regarding talent evaluation.

And how many points he scored in one gameis beside the point. Look at his minutes over the last 6, 7 games. Pritchard is forcing Nate to play him because Bayless warned him he'd ask for a trade without a larger opportunity, and Pritchard has no desire to trade him. They're not giving him up for a role player when they haven't even played him 30 minutes in a game yet.

Or Pritchard is forcing McMillan to showcase him to increase his trade value.

Considering GMs have been saying he's shopping Blake, you're probably not right. And if Pritchard is showcasing him, Bayless is doing a helluva job increasing his value.

I'd say the likelyhood he's doing so in an effort to talk the Cs out of Big Baby Davis is pretty slim, Jim. I wish he was, but he ain't.

Of all the players I included in the orignal trade proposal here, Bayless would be the hardest to pry away.

[Atzar]

No thanks. You fail to understand that Bayless is actually probably the least available PG on the Portland roster, so i'll pass on your lessons regarding talent evaluation.

And how many points he scored in one gameis beside the point. Look at his minutes over the last 6, 7 games. Pritchard is forcing Nate to play him because Bayless warned him he'd ask for a trade without a larger opportunity, and Pritchard has no desire to trade him. They're not giving him up for a role player when they haven't even played him 30 minutes in a game yet.

Or Pritchard is forcing McMillan to showcase him to increase his trade value.

Or he's just getting forced into minutes because Portland has been gutted by injuries... A la Bill Walker last year.

[nickagneta]

No thanks. You fail to understand that Bayless is actually probably the least available PG on the Portland roster, so i'll pass on your lessons regarding talent evaluation.

And how many points he scored in one gameis beside the point. Look at his minutes over the last 6, 7 games. Pritchard is forcing Nate to play him because Bayless warned him he'd ask for a trade without a larger opportunity, and Pritchard has no desire to trade him. They're not giving him up for a role player when they haven't even played him 30 minutes in a game yet.

Or Pritchard is forcing McMillan to showcase him to increase his trade value.

Or he's just getting forced into minutes because Portland has been gutted by injuries... A la Bill Walker last year.

TP...probably the most likely case.

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No thanks. You fail to understand that Bayless is actually probably the least available PG on the Portland roster, so i'll pass on your lessons regarding talent evaluation.

And how many points he scored in one gameis beside the point. Look at his minutes over the last 6, 7 games. Pritchard is forcing Nate to play him because Bayless warned him he'd ask for a trade without a larger opportunity, and Pritchard has no desire to trade him. They're not giving him up for a role player when they haven't even played him 30 minutes in a game yet.

Or Pritchard is forcing McMillan to showcase him to increase his trade value.

Or he's just getting forced into minutes because Portland has been gutted by injuries... A la Bill Walker last year.

Negative. Miller only played 18 minutes last night at the same position, so I'm not sure it applies to their PGs.

Unless they get a very attractive offer for either Miller or Bayless, Portland is going to trade Steve Blake for a bench 3 or 4. Roy's tendancy to lean on him so he can handle the ball more has been counter-productive, and they'd be wise to remove that option altogether.

He's still playing over 30 mins a game. That's too much for Blake.