Would you do this deal for Eddy Curry?

[Chris]

I think any deal involving Ray must give the C's a legit chance to compete for a title this year, while also adding a member to core of this team for the future.  

Another constraint is that I do not believe ownership is willing to dramatically raise payroll to do this, so we cannot just take on terrible contracts in order to get an asset or two.  

If these criteria are not met, then I think this team is better off going forward with Ray.

Needless to say, these deals involving the Knicks are not meeting these criteria.  

I think the GS deal is interesting, but I only would bring in Ellis if Rondo is involved.  They would not play well together, but I think Ellis would be a suitable replacement for Rondo, if they could get good value for Rondo.

[JSD]

no way.  Not a chance.  In the Knicks position, they should be giving away players in an attempt to rid themselves of Curry's contract.  In other words... any team willing to step up with expiring contracts can probably have Curry + goodies.  You don't need to give them an allstar.  

The Knicks would love to get rid of Curry's contract, because it would put them in a better position to sign multiple big money free agents in the offseason (to surround LeBron).

So you could basically give them Scal (3.5 mil), Tony (2.5 mil), Eddie, 2.8 mil and some combo of like... Giddens/Walker/Daniels and they would probably give you draft picks just to get it done.  No Ray Allen necessary

  You need Ray Allen's contract to get a deal done with the Knicks. If they're giving up a high end prospect (DG), they would need to clear both EC and JJ.

[Who]

I don't think the Knicks would ever agree to lose Gallinari in order to dump Curry and Jeffries. 

I think they would... A Knicks fan could look at it like Curry, Jefferies and Gallinari for Bosh come next off-season after such a trade.

I agree that there's good value there for the Knicks and that it is a trade that they should strongly consider making ... but I don't think Donnie Walsh will do it. 

I don't think Donnie would sacrifice a young prospect as gifted as Gallinari for cap space.

[JSD]

I think any deal involving Ray must give the C's a legit chance to compete for a title this year, while also adding a member to core of this team for the future.  

Another constraint is that I do not believe ownership is willing to dramatically raise payroll to do this, so we cannot just take on terrible contracts in order to get an asset or two.  

If these criteria are not met, then I think this team is better off going forward with Ray.

Needless to say, these deals involving the Knicks are not meeting these criteria.  

I think the GS deal is interesting, but I only would bring in Ellis if Rondo is involved.  They would not play well together, but I think Ellis would be a suitable replacement for Rondo, if they could get good value for Rondo.

The C's would be taking on more long-term payroll if they went with that GS deal.

The Knicks deal does offer what you mentioned above...

[LarBrd33]

no way.  Not a chance.  In the Knicks position, they should be giving away players in an attempt to rid themselves of Curry's contract.  In other words... any team willing to step up with expiring contracts can probably have Curry + goodies.  You don't need to give them an allstar.  

The Knicks would love to get rid of Curry's contract, because it would put them in a better position to sign multiple big money free agents in the offseason (to surround LeBron).

So you could basically give them Scal (3.5 mil), Tony (2.5 mil), Eddie, 2.8 mil and some combo of like... Giddens/Walker/Daniels and they would probably give you draft picks just to get it done.  No Ray Allen necessary

  You need Ray Allen's contract to get a deal done with the Knicks. If they're giving up a high end prospect (DG), they would need to clear both EC and JJ.

I dunno man.  I doubt it.

Why would the Knicks refuse this?

Curry - 10.5 mil

For

Scal - 3.5 expiring
Tony - 2.5 expiring
Eddie - 2.8 expiring
Giddens - 1 mil expiring

=  9.8 mil expiring


That would get Curry off their books and give them an additional 11 mil in cap room next year.

So if you wanted Galinari (3 mil)... just toss them Glen Davis and call it a wrap.

[JSD]

no way.  Not a chance.  In the Knicks position, they should be giving away players in an attempt to rid themselves of Curry's contract.  In other words... any team willing to step up with expiring contracts can probably have Curry + goodies.  You don't need to give them an allstar.  

The Knicks would love to get rid of Curry's contract, because it would put them in a better position to sign multiple big money free agents in the offseason (to surround LeBron).

So you could basically give them Scal (3.5 mil), Tony (2.5 mil), Eddie, 2.8 mil and some combo of like... Giddens/Walker/Daniels and they would probably give you draft picks just to get it done.  No Ray Allen necessary

  You need Ray Allen's contract to get a deal done with the Knicks. If they're giving up a high end prospect (DG), they would need to clear both EC and JJ.

I dunno man.  I doubt it.

Why would the Knicks refuse this?

Curry - 10.5 mil

For

Scal - 3.5 expiring
Tony - 2.5 expiring
Eddie - 2.8 expiring
Giddens - 1 mil expiring

=  9.8 mil expiring


That would get Curry off their books and give them an additional 11 mil in cap room next year.

So if you wanted Galinari (3 mil)... just toss them Glen Davis and call it a wrap.

I don't think the Knicks would do that. I think clearing both Curry and JJ with Gallinari is the only way they give up on him.

Plus, allowing are other expiring to expire allow the C's to keep things economical for 2011.

[Chris]

I think any deal involving Ray must give the C's a legit chance to compete for a title this year, while also adding a member to core of this team for the future.  

Another constraint is that I do not believe ownership is willing to dramatically raise payroll to do this, so we cannot just take on terrible contracts in order to get an asset or two.  

If these criteria are not met, then I think this team is better off going forward with Ray.

Needless to say, these deals involving the Knicks are not meeting these criteria.  

I think the GS deal is interesting, but I only would bring in Ellis if Rondo is involved.  They would not play well together, but I think Ellis would be a suitable replacement for Rondo, if they could get good value for Rondo.

The C's would be taking on more long-term payroll if they went with that GS deal.

The Knicks deal does offer what you mentioned above...

In what way does the Knicks deal offer what I mentioned?  The only guy who would even see the floor for the C's would be Gallinari, and he is nowhere near ready to help a lot.  And he certainly is not a SG.

A deal like that is punting this season, for the hope of the future. 

[JSD]

I think any deal involving Ray must give the C's a legit chance to compete for a title this year, while also adding a member to core of this team for the future.  

Another constraint is that I do not believe ownership is willing to dramatically raise payroll to do this, so we cannot just take on terrible contracts in order to get an asset or two.  

If these criteria are not met, then I think this team is better off going forward with Ray.

Needless to say, these deals involving the Knicks are not meeting these criteria.  

I think the GS deal is interesting, but I only would bring in Ellis if Rondo is involved.  They would not play well together, but I think Ellis would be a suitable replacement for Rondo, if they could get good value for Rondo.

The C's would be taking on more long-term payroll if they went with that GS deal.

The Knicks deal does offer what you mentioned above...

In what way does the Knicks deal offer what I mentioned?  The only guy who would even see the floor for the C's would be Gallinari, and he is nowhere near ready to help a lot.  And he certainly is not a SG.

A deal like that is punting this season, for the hope of the future. 

So losing Tony Allen and adding Danilo Gallinari is punting the season? 

[LarBrd33]

no way.  Not a chance.  In the Knicks position, they should be giving away players in an attempt to rid themselves of Curry's contract.  In other words... any team willing to step up with expiring contracts can probably have Curry + goodies.  You don't need to give them an allstar.  

The Knicks would love to get rid of Curry's contract, because it would put them in a better position to sign multiple big money free agents in the offseason (to surround LeBron).

So you could basically give them Scal (3.5 mil), Tony (2.5 mil), Eddie, 2.8 mil and some combo of like... Giddens/Walker/Daniels and they would probably give you draft picks just to get it done.  No Ray Allen necessary

  You need Ray Allen's contract to get a deal done with the Knicks. If they're giving up a high end prospect (DG), they would need to clear both EC and JJ.

I dunno man.  I doubt it.

Why would the Knicks refuse this?

Curry - 10.5 mil

For

Scal - 3.5 expiring
Tony - 2.5 expiring
Eddie - 2.8 expiring
Giddens - 1 mil expiring

=  9.8 mil expiring


That would get Curry off their books and give them an additional 11 mil in cap room next year.

So if you wanted Galinari (3 mil)... just toss them Glen Davis and call it a wrap.

I don't think the Knicks would do that. I think clearing both Curry and JJ with Gallinari is the only way they give up on him.

Plus, allowing are other expiring to expire allow the C's to keep things economical for 2011.

That may be true but the Knicks should only have 1 priority... free up as much cap room as possible.   Then they can try to sign Wade, Bron and Bosh all to max contracts.  The rumor had been that those 3 want to play together, right?  So if you're in the Knicks position, you do anything possible to put yourself in a position to make that happen.  Giving up a nice little prospect like Galinari is a small price to pay.

If Boston were to take back Jeffries too... then I'd expect Knicks to toss whatever of value they have left.  

Boston trades:

Ray Allen - 18 mil expiring
Scal - 3.5 mil expiring


for...

Curry - 10.5 mil
Jeffries - 6.5 mil
Gallinari - 3 mil
Jordan Hill - 2.5 mil

... Tell em we'll do the trade if they toss in a bunch of future draft picks and promise to buy out Ray so we can bring him back to Boston in a month.  

Done deal.

[JSD]

no way.  Not a chance.  In the Knicks position, they should be giving away players in an attempt to rid themselves of Curry's contract.  In other words... any team willing to step up with expiring contracts can probably have Curry + goodies.  You don't need to give them an allstar.  

The Knicks would love to get rid of Curry's contract, because it would put them in a better position to sign multiple big money free agents in the offseason (to surround LeBron).

So you could basically give them Scal (3.5 mil), Tony (2.5 mil), Eddie, 2.8 mil and some combo of like... Giddens/Walker/Daniels and they would probably give you draft picks just to get it done.  No Ray Allen necessary

  You need Ray Allen's contract to get a deal done with the Knicks. If they're giving up a high end prospect (DG), they would need to clear both EC and JJ.

I dunno man.  I doubt it.

Why would the Knicks refuse this?

Curry - 10.5 mil

For

Scal - 3.5 expiring
Tony - 2.5 expiring
Eddie - 2.8 expiring
Giddens - 1 mil expiring

=  9.8 mil expiring


That would get Curry off their books and give them an additional 11 mil in cap room next year.

So if you wanted Galinari (3 mil)... just toss them Glen Davis and call it a wrap.

I don't think the Knicks would do that. I think clearing both Curry and JJ with Gallinari is the only way they give up on him.

Plus, allowing are other expiring to expire allow the C's to keep things economical for 2011.

That may be true but the Knicks should only have 1 priority... free up as much cap room as possible.   Then they can try to sign Wade, Bron and Bosh all to max contracts.  The rumor had been that those 3 want to play together, right?  So if you're in the Knicks position, you do anything possible to put yourself in a position to make that happen.  Giving up a nice little prospect like Galinari is a small price to pay.

If Boston were to take back Jeffries too... then I'd expect Knicks to toss whatever of value they have left.  

Boston trades:

Ray Allen - 18 mil expiring
Scal - 3.5 mil expiring


for...

Curry - 10.5 mil
Jeffries - 6.5 mil
Gallinari - 3 mil
Jordan Hill - 2.5 mil

... Tell em we'll do the trade if they toss in a bunch of future draft picks and promise to buy out Ray so we can bring him back to Boston in a month.  

Done deal.

Yeah, I think Donnie Walsh sacrifices talent for cap space so much... Your scenario is really pushing it.

[LarBrd33]

no way.  Not a chance.  In the Knicks position, they should be giving away players in an attempt to rid themselves of Curry's contract.  In other words... any team willing to step up with expiring contracts can probably have Curry + goodies.  You don't need to give them an allstar.  

The Knicks would love to get rid of Curry's contract, because it would put them in a better position to sign multiple big money free agents in the offseason (to surround LeBron).

So you could basically give them Scal (3.5 mil), Tony (2.5 mil), Eddie, 2.8 mil and some combo of like... Giddens/Walker/Daniels and they would probably give you draft picks just to get it done.  No Ray Allen necessary

  You need Ray Allen's contract to get a deal done with the Knicks. If they're giving up a high end prospect (DG), they would need to clear both EC and JJ.

I dunno man.  I doubt it.

Why would the Knicks refuse this?

Curry - 10.5 mil

For

Scal - 3.5 expiring
Tony - 2.5 expiring
Eddie - 2.8 expiring
Giddens - 1 mil expiring

=  9.8 mil expiring


That would get Curry off their books and give them an additional 11 mil in cap room next year.

So if you wanted Galinari (3 mil)... just toss them Glen Davis and call it a wrap.

I don't think the Knicks would do that. I think clearing both Curry and JJ with Gallinari is the only way they give up on him.

Plus, allowing are other expiring to expire allow the C's to keep things economical for 2011.

That may be true but the Knicks should only have 1 priority... free up as much cap room as possible.   Then they can try to sign Wade, Bron and Bosh all to max contracts.  The rumor had been that those 3 want to play together, right?  So if you're in the Knicks position, you do anything possible to put yourself in a position to make that happen.  Giving up a nice little prospect like Galinari is a small price to pay.

If Boston were to take back Jeffries too... then I'd expect Knicks to toss whatever of value they have left.  

Boston trades:

Ray Allen - 18 mil expiring
Scal - 3.5 mil expiring


for...

Curry - 10.5 mil
Jeffries - 6.5 mil
Gallinari - 3 mil
Jordan Hill - 2.5 mil

... Tell em we'll do the trade if they toss in a bunch of future draft picks and promise to buy out Ray so we can bring him back to Boston in a month.  

Done deal.

Yeah, I think Donnie Walsh sacrifices talent for cap space so much... Your scenario is really pushing it.

It's not "pushing it" if the rumors about Bosh, Wade and Bron all wanting to play together is true.  Apparently those guys fell in love with each other during the Olympics and desperately want to play together.

A nice little core of Wade, Bosh, Bron and David Lee would be pretty solid for Mike D's new Knicks. 

If that prospective lineup is on the table, I think "Danino-who?" and "Jordan-who?" is a fair price to pay. 

[wdleehi]

This is definitly a pass.

[JSD]

no way.  Not a chance.  In the Knicks position, they should be giving away players in an attempt to rid themselves of Curry's contract.  In other words... any team willing to step up with expiring contracts can probably have Curry + goodies.  You don't need to give them an allstar.  

The Knicks would love to get rid of Curry's contract, because it would put them in a better position to sign multiple big money free agents in the offseason (to surround LeBron).

So you could basically give them Scal (3.5 mil), Tony (2.5 mil), Eddie, 2.8 mil and some combo of like... Giddens/Walker/Daniels and they would probably give you draft picks just to get it done.  No Ray Allen necessary

  You need Ray Allen's contract to get a deal done with the Knicks. If they're giving up a high end prospect (DG), they would need to clear both EC and JJ.

I dunno man.  I doubt it.

Why would the Knicks refuse this?

Curry - 10.5 mil

For

Scal - 3.5 expiring
Tony - 2.5 expiring
Eddie - 2.8 expiring
Giddens - 1 mil expiring

=  9.8 mil expiring


That would get Curry off their books and give them an additional 11 mil in cap room next year.

So if you wanted Galinari (3 mil)... just toss them Glen Davis and call it a wrap.

I don't think the Knicks would do that. I think clearing both Curry and JJ with Gallinari is the only way they give up on him.

Plus, allowing are other expiring to expire allow the C's to keep things economical for 2011.

That may be true but the Knicks should only have 1 priority... free up as much cap room as possible.   Then they can try to sign Wade, Bron and Bosh all to max contracts.  The rumor had been that those 3 want to play together, right?  So if you're in the Knicks position, you do anything possible to put yourself in a position to make that happen.  Giving up a nice little prospect like Galinari is a small price to pay.

If Boston were to take back Jeffries too... then I'd expect Knicks to toss whatever of value they have left.  

Boston trades:

Ray Allen - 18 mil expiring
Scal - 3.5 mil expiring


for...

Curry - 10.5 mil
Jeffries - 6.5 mil
Gallinari - 3 mil
Jordan Hill - 2.5 mil

... Tell em we'll do the trade if they toss in a bunch of future draft picks and promise to buy out Ray so we can bring him back to Boston in a month.  

Done deal.

Yeah, I think Donnie Walsh sacrifices talent for cap space so much... Your scenario is really pushing it.

It's not "pushing it" if the rumors about Bosh, Wade and Bron all wanting to play together is true.  Apparently those guys fell in love with each other during the Olympics and desperately want to play together.

A nice little core of Wade, Bosh, Bron and David Lee would be pretty solid for Mike D's new Knicks. 

If that prospective lineup is on the table, I think "Danino-who?" and "Jordan-who?" is a fair price to pay. 

Right, but what if Bron stays Cleveland, Wade stays in Miami and signs Bosh? Now the Knicks are burnt.

[LarBrd33]

no way.  Not a chance.  In the Knicks position, they should be giving away players in an attempt to rid themselves of Curry's contract.  In other words... any team willing to step up with expiring contracts can probably have Curry + goodies.  You don't need to give them an allstar.  

The Knicks would love to get rid of Curry's contract, because it would put them in a better position to sign multiple big money free agents in the offseason (to surround LeBron).

So you could basically give them Scal (3.5 mil), Tony (2.5 mil), Eddie, 2.8 mil and some combo of like... Giddens/Walker/Daniels and they would probably give you draft picks just to get it done.  No Ray Allen necessary

  You need Ray Allen's contract to get a deal done with the Knicks. If they're giving up a high end prospect (DG), they would need to clear both EC and JJ.

I dunno man.  I doubt it.

Why would the Knicks refuse this?

Curry - 10.5 mil

For

Scal - 3.5 expiring
Tony - 2.5 expiring
Eddie - 2.8 expiring
Giddens - 1 mil expiring

=  9.8 mil expiring


That would get Curry off their books and give them an additional 11 mil in cap room next year.

So if you wanted Galinari (3 mil)... just toss them Glen Davis and call it a wrap.

I don't think the Knicks would do that. I think clearing both Curry and JJ with Gallinari is the only way they give up on him.

Plus, allowing are other expiring to expire allow the C's to keep things economical for 2011.

That may be true but the Knicks should only have 1 priority... free up as much cap room as possible.   Then they can try to sign Wade, Bron and Bosh all to max contracts.  The rumor had been that those 3 want to play together, right?  So if you're in the Knicks position, you do anything possible to put yourself in a position to make that happen.  Giving up a nice little prospect like Galinari is a small price to pay.

If Boston were to take back Jeffries too... then I'd expect Knicks to toss whatever of value they have left.  

Boston trades:

Ray Allen - 18 mil expiring
Scal - 3.5 mil expiring


for...

Curry - 10.5 mil
Jeffries - 6.5 mil
Gallinari - 3 mil
Jordan Hill - 2.5 mil

... Tell em we'll do the trade if they toss in a bunch of future draft picks and promise to buy out Ray so we can bring him back to Boston in a month.  

Done deal.

Yeah, I think Donnie Walsh sacrifices talent for cap space so much... Your scenario is really pushing it.

It's not "pushing it" if the rumors about Bosh, Wade and Bron all wanting to play together is true.  Apparently those guys fell in love with each other during the Olympics and desperately want to play together.

A nice little core of Wade, Bosh, Bron and David Lee would be pretty solid for Mike D's new Knicks. 

If that prospective lineup is on the table, I think "Danino-who?" and "Jordan-who?" is a fair price to pay. 

Right, but what if Bron stays Cleveland, Wade stays in Miami and signs Bosh? Now the Knicks are burnt.

Then they just use their buttload of cap room to sign whoever they want (Joe Johnson for example)... or just use their buttload of cap room to trade with teams looking to instantly dump salary instead of trading for expiring contracts.   Example:  Would the Kings rather dump Kevin Martin for an expiring contract (and then be forced to pay that expiring contract 10 mil that season)... or just dump him off on the Knicks and instantly save?

[Cman]

I dont think I would do any* trade that brought Eddy Curry to Boston.

* by "any" I mean, of course, any realistic trade.