Doc Rivers tells Sheed to limit 3's

[celticinorlando]

who is the rookie trying to call people out for no reason?

[fairweatherfan]

So maybe I should go back to my three point thread I started at the beginning of the year when the C's were winning and I said that we should be worried about how many threes are being taken and got lambasted, pretty much across the board for being wrong because as long as they are open they are good shots.

Now the coach of the team is saying, no, that's not so and people are agreeing with him. I wonder if I should go back and see if those same people were saying the same thing three weeks ago when I said this would become a problem.

Hey, I said the shots weren't bad unless we didn't adjust our attack when they stopped dropping (we didn't), and that the only specific player I'd like to see shooting them less was Sheed (he hasn't).  So I think my butt is sufficiently covered to say that we absolutely should slow down our reliance on the 3, and that Sheed's 3 is a great weapon when used selectively, but he needs to get himself in the midrange and post area more often. 

We may not see much of that change tonight as Orlando's game is very conducive to getting and taking a lot of 3s, but hopefully the lesson will sink in long-term.

[nickagneta]

So maybe I should go back to my three point thread I started at the beginning of the year when the C's were winning and I said that we should be worried about how many threes are being taken and got lambasted, pretty much across the board for being wrong because as long as they are open they are good shots.

Now the coach of the team is saying, no, that's not so and people are agreeing with him. I wonder if I should go back and see if those same people were saying the same thing three weeks ago when I said this would become a problem.

Hey, I said the shots weren't bad unless we didn't adjust our attack when they stopped dropping (we didn't), and that the only specific player I'd like to see shooting them less was Sheed (he hasn't).  So I think my butt is sufficiently covered to say that we absolutely should slow down our reliance on the 3, and that Sheed's 3 is a great weapon when used selectively, but he needs to get himself in the midrange and post area more often. 

We may not see much of that change tonight as Orlando's game is very conducive to getting and taking a lot of 3s, but hopefully the lesson will sink in long-term.

As I said earlier, I lot of people did preface their opinions with but's(as opposed to butts). As I also said, I hope Doc has what it takes as a coach to stop an over reliance on the shot or the onset of a bad mind set.

[Fafnir]

So maybe I should go back to my three point thread I started at the beginning of the year when the C's were winning and I said that we should be worried about how many threes are being taken and got lambasted, pretty much across the board for being wrong because as long as they are open they are good shots.

Now the coach of the team is saying, no, that's not so and people are agreeing with him. I wonder if I should go back and see if those same people were saying the same thing three weeks ago when I said this would become a problem.

Doc would have a problem with any quick shots, the fact that they were threes wasn't really the problem.

Anytime you take quick shots you're making yourself vulnerable to a run by the other team.

[Fafnir]

So maybe I should go back to my three point thread I started at the beginning of the year when the C's were winning and I said that we should be worried about how many threes are being taken and got lambasted, pretty much across the board for being wrong because as long as they are open they are good shots.

Now the coach of the team is saying, no, that's not so and people are agreeing with him. I wonder if I should go back and see if those same people were saying the same thing three weeks ago when I said this would become a problem.

Hey, I said the shots weren't bad unless we didn't adjust our attack when they stopped dropping (we didn't), and that the only specific player I'd like to see shooting them less was Sheed (he hasn't).  So I think my butt is sufficiently covered to say that we absolutely should slow down our reliance on the 3, and that Sheed's 3 is a great weapon when used selectively, but he needs to get himself in the midrange and post area more often. 

We may not see much of that change tonight as Orlando's game is very conducive to getting and taking a lot of 3s, but hopefully the lesson will sink in long-term.

As I said earlier, I lot of people did preface their opinions with but's(as opposed to butts). As I also said, I hope Doc has what it takes as a coach to stop an over reliance on the shot or the onset of a bad mind set.

Yet strangely we weren't shooting all that many more threes than we had in the past two years during the stretch.

I think its primarily a function of our two main offensive options of the bench being soley 3-point shooters. If Eddie and Sheed are both on the floor you can pretty much count on that unit jacking up a ton of 3s.

[nickagneta]

When I did my original post for that thread the number of shots were higher. I think, trying to remember that the C's were shooting like 29%+ of their shots being 3's whereas in 2007-08 it was like 24% and 2008-09 it was around 21-22%. Honestly don't know what the number is now.

EDIT: Just checked they are now shooting 23.8% of their shots as threes so they have slowed down considerably. Of course, they have been in the middle of a bad three point shooting slump as a team.

[Greenbean]

If Sheed was hitting at 40% Doc wouldn't need to tell him to hold back.

We are a 3 point shooting team and we will still be a 3 point shooting team when the playoffs roll around.

I agree...I think. We have a great shooting team. I dont think we should shy away from that fact.

However, relying on the 3 is different than having it in your arsenal as a weapon. We have enough versatile offensive players to take higher percentage shots first which then would lead to better threes. This has been well documented on this board and I really think the C's will figure out when to and when not to start chuckin.

[ForexPirate]

It's not Sheed - taking three's to open up the lanes is the role designed for him by the coach.  Do you remember Sheed calling Doc a mad scientist when he learned that he was going to be jacking up three's all game long. 

[tenn_smoothie]

thank goodness Doc finally said something.

Wallace has been shooting too many threes and not doing enough work down low on the offensive end.

kind of representative of the entire teams' attitude and approach this season - not doing the hard work and the little things needed to be a championship team.

where did this attitude come from anyway - it's uncharacteristic of this group. are the players unconciously wary of burning themselves out during the regular season like last year - thus creating a mindset of pacing themselves until the playoffs get here to insure a full tank for the title run in may & june ?

the only exceptions may be Wallace and Rondo - unfortunately, i'm afraid both guys sometimes have a tendency towards laziness. probably something the staff will have to stay on top of all season.

[LB3533]

I don't think that we are a team that relies on 3 pointers.

What we are is a team that have a lot of weapons and it causes a lot of open looks.

And because we are one the most unselfish teams on offense, players will pass the rock a lot and we will often find open guys on the perimeter for the 3 ball.

The 3 ball is just a tool we use to make the opposing team pay.

We use the 3 ball in transition and we use it in the half court.

Right now our team is shooting 37% from the arc. That's not too bad, top 7 in the league.

We are also top 3 for 3PT% margin with a +5.2

[jdub1660]

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/62911/20091120/rivers_tells_rasheed_to_limit_threes/

Celtics coach Doc Rivers told forward Rasheed Wallace to stop attempting three-pointers during the team's win over the Warriors on Wednesday.

"I got on him, and I rarely do, about the threes," Rivers admitted. "Because even though he was wide open, it's really tough. I mean, he was wide open and he took two, but we had just taken two quick ones. But he's got an incredibly high basketball IQ. He's been phenomenal in the locker room. So, I'm just happy to have him."

Wallace has attempted 70 three-pointers this season, hitting 31.4% of them. He's on pace for 500 attempts in 2009-10.

He is right I would like to see Sheed in the post more often . I hate that he just bombs away even when there is a hand right in his face.

Yea. The open 3's are fine. But when we had some sort of chance to make a comeback against the Hawks(down by 9) he jacked up 3 clankers; one right after an inbound pass with 2 defenders in front of him.

I'm glad Doc finally stepped in but didn't criticize him only on that. It is more constructive criticism when you put em down, and build em up with another compliment.

[LB3533]

Funny, if Sheed didn't attempt any 3's this season we'd be shooting 39.6% as a team.

And that's with Ray Allen shooting worse than Sheed right now, at 31.3%

[screwedupmaniac]

That was always one of the downfalls of Detroit's good years...Sheed taking untimely 3's. I don't mind wide open 3's, but not in the last 3 minutes of a close game. For pete's sake, make the extra pass to get a midrange J or a layup/dunk.

[LarBrd33]

That was always one of the downfalls of Detroit's good years...Sheed taking untimely 3's. I don't mind wide open 3's, but not in the last 3 minutes of a close game. For pete's sake, make the extra pass to get a midrange J or a layup/dunk.

definitely.  I use to love his late game three pointers when he was playing against Boston.  Usually he clanged them.  Like tonight when he went 0-8... I'm sure Orlando fans were like "yesss!!" every time he was about to heave one up.

aside from that he had a solid game tonight.  13 rebounds, 3 steals and a block.  He has only made 5 of his last 38 three point attempts, though...  13% on threes isn't going to cut it.

[Rondo_is_better]

We get it; he's not shooting well. He's also shooting too much from 3. Lets see in a couple weeks if he's dialed it back or improved on his percentage and then revisit this topic.